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[w6racing]

I shot an 89 with two holes capped out at 7.

On one I didnt even have a real score, and the other I shot an 8.

So it feels kinda weird saying I shot an 89 today.

The guys I play with say its the right way to do it.
And some of the guys dont even finish a hole if they max out.

Just wondering if this is the common way to say your score or not.

[kevcarter]

You shot what you shot. ESC is only used for turning in your score for handicap.

[BallPincher]

I say the number of strokes it took me to play 18 holes. ESC only affects your handicap, nothing else. Applying ESC to your score when people ask? Your golf buddies are funny.

[MJP22]

What the 2 guys above me said. You shoot what you shoot. ESC only applies to posting for HDCP purposes.

[stevopagolf]

You shot what you shot.  You POSTED an 89...

[deadsolid...shank]

And technically, if they didn't finish a hole, they don't even have a score. But if they're not posting for handicapp, I think picking up and moving to the next hole is a good thing.

[RRFireblade]

You didn't shoot an 89 if you took more than 89 swings , so you don't "Say it".

[kevcarter]

RRFireblade, on 18 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

You didn't shoot an 89 if you took more than 89 swings , so you don't "Say it".

Sounds like an "I woulda shot" situation, with about 1/2 hour of explanations... :-)

[teejaywhy]

w6racing, on 18 January 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

I shot an 89 with two holes capped out at 7.

On one I didnt even have a real score, and the other I shot an 8.

So it feels kinda weird saying I shot an 89 today.

The guys I play with say its the right way to do it.
And some of the guys dont even finish a hole if they max out.

Just wondering if this is the common way to say your score or not.

It feels weird because you didn't shoot an 89.

You don't "say" your ESC score, ever.  You silently enter it into the computer when posting your score for handicap purposes.

Hopefully the guys you are playing with aren't doing this in any kind of stroke play competition?

Edited by teejaywhy, 18 January 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[Fore_Man]

Your ESC score is not written on your score card.  So, you did not shoot that score.

The only time I mention my ESC score is when I was very happy with my actual score and had to use ESC when posting.  ie:  "Shot a 79 today!  Even had to adjust 78 when posted too.  Man, there's always one hole that gets me!  Could have been a personal best. Oh well.  Next time."

[Chief Illiniwek]

Had a situation kinda rub me wrong with this. I play in a local tourney every year that I'm usually towards the bottom of, with scores from mid 70s to low 80s. There's also a net tournament at the same time and everything gets put in the local paper. So here I am posting quality scores for a hacker, but finishing near last in the gross division, and the paper shows all these sandbaggers in the net division shooting 62s and 63s even though they're firing up 95s from the white tees. It doesn't explain that the guys in the net division are getting tons of strokes. So inevitably every year I have non golf people asking me about the tournament, and also asking me how "Sandbagger Jim and Sandbagger Bob" dropped 62s, and how I must've had a rough day. I never say anything but I admit it bugs me a bit. This passed year the winner of the net division was quoted saying "I never expected to shoot a pair of 62s this weekend" or something similar. I'm thinking "Are you kidding me, you had a pair of 93s!"

Rant over, haha.

[w6racing]

None of this is in tournament.

its mainly to help get the rounds finished.

Like I hit my drive out of bounds and then couldnt find my provisional, so instead of waiting on me to hack out a 10 or worse on a par 5 when the course is crowded I still get to put a score down.

Then insted of saying you round is void, you say you shot an 89.

Edited by w6racing, 18 January 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[BENNYSUPREME]

I say what I shot and post what I shot.  If I don't finish a hole I don't post on the ghin.  Thats just me.

[Hateto3Putt]

I once shot a 57 with 12 gimmees, 4 mulligans and 2 do overs.

My Mom said it was OK.

[teejaywhy]

BENNYSUPREME, on 18 January 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

I say what I shot and post what I shot.  If I don't finish a hole I don't post on the ghin.  Thats just me.

If you are going to keep a handicap, you should follow the rules.

[Imp]

Hateto3Putt, on 18 January 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

I once shot a 57 with 12 gimmees, 4 mulligans and 2 do overs.

My Mom said it was OK.

No she didn't.

[Truman]

BENNYSUPREME, on 18 January 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

I say what I shot and post what I shot.  If I don't finish a hole I don't post on the ghin.  Thats just me.

[Truman]

If you play you post.  Not finishing a hole is a common reason given by sandbaggers

[Fore_Man]

Truman, on 18 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

If you play you post.  Not finishing a hole is a common reason given by sandbaggers

More so those who carry a vanity handicap.  

Anyways, by not finishing a hole, by default aren't you supposed to take the max score based on your hcp?

[Sawgrass]

Fore_Man, on 18 January 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

Truman, on 18 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

If you play you post.  Not finishing a hole is a common reason given by sandbaggers

More so those who carry a vanity handicap.  

Anyways, by not finishing a hole, by default aren't you supposed to take the max score based on your hcp?

Only if your max score is higher than the most likely score you would have shot on the hole if you had finished. Say you are an 18 handicap and the last hole is a par three. You put your tee shot on the green 15 feet from the pin, and the lightning siren goes off. Score a 3, not a 7!

[Sawgrass]

I have to say that every time I look at my last 20 scores on my handicap revision, I say, "Wow, I wish I could shoot those scores!"

[BENNYSUPREME]

Truman, on 18 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

If you play you post. Not finishing a hole is a common reason given by sandbaggers

Wouldn't a sandbagger want to write down a high score to make the HDCP go up????????

There has been two times that I didn't post my score, both times I was DQ due to picking up my ball, ended up losing money.  My Ghin that I keep is actually 2.1 stokes lower then when I play in my weds - fri. club.  Trust me I would love to sandbag but I consider it stealing.  Hints the reason I said thief instead of sandbagger to the guy who won our bracket in the Club Championship.  Hell, we where in the C flight and he would have won B flight and 2nd in A flight. finished in top 10 or so of the champions flight.

My Ghin: 9.7
Club Ghin: 12(11.8)(only time they show the tenth is when you're grouped with someone else in the same handicap.

If I keep scores it gets posted.  Yes I'm wrong every once and a while when I post an 8 on a par 5 but that is very rare. If I understand the rules I can take a 7 max on every hole.  

One more thing If I was a sandagger I think I would still be a closer to a 18 hdcp like I was at the start of 2012.

Now that I have posted this I hope I don't go out and score a 8 on a par 5 because my next round is in a tournament at Waialae Country Club(Sony Open Course).

[teejaywhy]

Not saying you are a sandbagger.  Just that if you don't follow the rules of the system, then your handicap is inaccurate.

The USGA Handicap Manual is online: http://www.usga.org/...andicap-Manual/

Section 4 covers unfinished or unplayed holes and how to apply ESC.

[DaveLeeNC]

If I had one or more ESC's and was asked what I shot, I would say that I POSTED a whatever score. Depending on circumstances, it is not unheard of for me not to have finished an ESC hole. Whoever asked can come to whatever conclusion they wish.

dave

[Augster]

When you have a hole or two you don't finish, you can't have a "real" golf score that day. You can still have a totally valid score for handicap posting purposes.

So when I have days like that, and get asked what I shot I say, "I DNF'd but I posted an 89 for handicap."  Or, "I DNF'd but I ESC'd an 89"

I would never ever say I shot an 89. As others say, you shot what you shot.

[Colby327]

w6racing, on 18 January 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

On one I didnt even have a real score, and the other I shot an 8.

Sorry, but if you didn't have a "real" score on a hole, then you don't have a real score on the round = DNF.  You earn your score with every single stroke you make, not an equation designed to make handicaps more fair/accurate for everyone.

Personally, I don't even think about ESC until posting...

[w6racing]

So are you saying if I don't complete a hole not to turn in a score.     That can't be right.

[Sawgrass]

w6racing, on 19 January 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

So are you saying if I don't complete a hole not to turn in a score. That can't be right.

I believe people are saying if you don't complete a hole, don't claim a score.  Nevertheless post one, adjusted as appropriate.

[Colby327]

Sawgrass, on 19 January 2013 - 01:27 PM, said:

w6racing, on 19 January 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

So are you saying if I don't complete a hole not to turn in a score. That can't be right.

I believe people are saying if you don't complete a hole, don't claim a score.  Nevertheless post one, adjusted as appropriate.

Yes, this is correct.  If you didn't complete a hole, you did not finish your round.  However, you're also required to post an ESC or adjusted score for handicap purposes.  The ESC/adjusted score is not your score.  

Its the same thing if only play 13 holes and walk off the course.   If you played 13 holes, you're required to post an ESC score for handicapping, but that doesn't mean you actually shot whatever you ESC/adjusted score came out to be.

[BENNYSUPREME]

Please help me out here,  so lets say you are a 10 index and pickup and get DQ. You have 10 holes left, how would you mark your scores?

I understand the X and the max strokes per hole but lets say I was playing well and on one hole I lost my mind and picked up the ball.  Would you mark X and say par bogey par etc or would you mark 7 on the rest?

Edited by BENNYSUPREME, 20 January 2013 - 03:39 AM.