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[johnnypro]

KYMAR, on 17 January 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

Call me crazy but I think I'm going to have a hard time pulling for somebody who gets $250,000,000 over the next 10 years just to play Nike equipment. I know Tiger got a bundle from Nike when he first signed on and obviously continues to get paid well by them.
But......Jeez......$250,000,000?! When is enough enough?

Whats your reasonable solution to this "problem"

"Fellas, listen, I am interested in endorsing your equipment in a long term deal but understand, before we go any further, i will not take a penny more than 75 million dollars."

I don't know that I have a solution. I don't know that there is a solution. All I said was it makes it tough for ME (that's just ME....nobody else but ME) to root for him. I'm waiting for a world where he might have said something like, "You know, I've done really well so far with the stuff Titleist has provided me with. Between what I make on the course plus my Titleist contract plus all my other endorsements, maybe I won't screw around with major equipment changes yet."

[Frankensteins Monster]

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

KYMAR, on 17 January 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

Call me crazy but I think I'm going to have a hard time pulling for somebody who gets $250,000,000 over the next 10 years just to play Nike equipment. I know Tiger got a bundle from Nike when he first signed on and obviously continues to get paid well by them.
But......Jeez......$250,000,000?! When is enough enough?

Whats your reasonable solution to this "problem"

"Fellas, listen, I am interested in endorsing your equipment in a long term deal but understand, before we go any further, i will not take a penny more than 75 million dollars."

I don't know that I have a solution. I don't know that there is a solution. All I said was it makes it tough for ME (that's just ME....nobody else but ME) to root for him. I'm waiting for a world where he might have said something like, "You know, I've done really well so far with the stuff Titleist has provided me with. Between what I make on the course plus my Titleist contract plus all my other endorsements, maybe I won't screw around with major equipment changes yet."

So you're against him making more money and setting up a great foundation so he can donate a lot of money to children's charities?

[johnnypro]

No. All I said was I thought $250,000,000 was an obscene amount of money just for toting around a bagful of Nike clubs for the next 10 years. There's always a possibility, albeit in his case a very, very small one, that Rory McIlroy could turn into somewhat of a bust. Still gets his $250,000,000, right? Even if he never sniffs another major.

[Stretch]

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

No. All I said was I thought $250,000,000 was an obscene amount of money just for toting around a bagful of Nike clubs for the next 10 years. There's always a possibility, albeit in his case a very, very small one, that Rory McIlroy could turn into somewhat of a bust. Still gets his $250,000,000, right? Even if he never sniffs another major.

And in which case, so what? That's business. That's life. We exist in a chronic state of imperfect information. People build fabs for $2.5 billion to make chips that don't find a home in the marketplace, or get leveled by a tsunami, or whatever. We all save diligently for our kids' college funds despite the gnawing 4 a.m. worry that they could well drive their first high school car off a cliff. This is the f*****g human condition! Perhaps you've heard of it?

Edited by Stretch, 17 January 2013 - 03:13 PM.

[wobgon]

Stretch, on 17 January 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

No. All I said was I thought $250,000,000 was an obscene amount of money just for toting around a bagful of Nike clubs for the next 10 years. There's always a possibility, albeit in his case a very, very small one, that Rory McIlroy could turn into somewhat of a bust. Still gets his $250,000,000, right? Even if he never sniffs another major.

And in which case, so what? That's business. That's life. We exist in a chronic state of imperfect information. People build fabs for $2.5 billion to make chips that don't find a home in the marketplace, or get leveled by a tsunami, or whatever. We all save diligently for our kids' college funds despite the gnawing 4 a.m. worry that they could well drive their first high school car off a cliff. This is the f*****g human condition! Perhaps you've heard of it?

I dont agree with johnnypro but i don't see anything wrong with him not rooting for rory for that reason. people do and do not root for people and teams for all different reasons. Thats what makes sports interesting. No different than rooting against the Yankees because of thier payroll.

[KYMAR]

wobgon, on 17 January 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Stretch, on 17 January 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

No. All I said was I thought $250,000,000 was an obscene amount of money just for toting around a bagful of Nike clubs for the next 10 years. There's always a possibility, albeit in his case a very, very small one, that Rory McIlroy could turn into somewhat of a bust. Still gets his $250,000,000, right? Even if he never sniffs another major.

And in which case, so what? That's business. That's life. We exist in a chronic state of imperfect information. People build fabs for $2.5 billion to make chips that don't find a home in the marketplace, or get leveled by a tsunami, or whatever. We all save diligently for our kids' college funds despite the gnawing 4 a.m. worry that they could well drive their first high school car off a cliff. This is the f*****g human condition! Perhaps you've heard of it?

I dont agree with johnnypro but i don't see anything wrong with him not rooting for rory for that reason. people do and do not root for people and teams for all different reasons. Thats what makes sports interesting. No different than rooting against the Yankees because of thier payroll.

Totally different than the yankees and their payroll. There are "sides" in pro team sports, the Yanks and Red Sox (and a few others) make for a non competitive balance among the other teams.

Though I agree he is well within his rights to find the contract amount, whatever it is, to be enough to not root for Rory. But if he is going to publicly admit to it, then he should just say it's simply because of the amount of money irks him. This "well what if he is a bust" seems to be an irrelevancy to anyone other than the person who made the final decision to give him that money.How can that possibly be a concern? Unless Nike is taxing him, and they aren't.

[Sean2]

Today on Golf Channel they compared his last year first round stats with this year first round stats.

In the driving category he averaged 301 yards off the tee last year and this year it was 289 yards. Perhaps the conditions were better last year ?

[puttingmatt]

Rors looked like a whipped pup after his debut with new sticks !! Expect a
better second round from him. Missed many fairways, also short on a few green
shots !! Tiger  was not a ball of fire either, It looks like that method putter should
be replaced. Not seeing  any advantage for Rors with Nike.... YET !!!!

[bscinstnct]

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

No. All I said was I thought $250,000,000 was an obscene amount of money just for toting around a bagful of Nike clubs for the next 10 years. There's always a possibility, albeit in his case a very, very small one, that Rory McIlroy could turn into somewhat of a bust. Still gets his $250,000,000, right? Even if he never sniffs another major.

Here is my totally speculative take on his deal.

He gets like 30 or 40 Million guaranteed even if he gets hurt but not if he decides to quit and be a sheep farmer. He would still have to work for Nike for 10 years doing ads and giving lessons to old ladies, whatever Nike says.

On top

even if he sucks and doesn't ever win again, as long as he play on the PGA tour he gets like 2 million a year

If he wins like 2 or 3 times a year with no majors, then he get 5 MM a year

If he wins a Major every other year, he gets 10 MM a year

If he wins 1  Major a year or so for 10 years he gets 20MM a year.

How's that sound?

Edited by bscinstnct, 17 January 2013 - 09:49 PM.

[wobgon]

KYMAR, on 17 January 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

wobgon, on 17 January 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Stretch, on 17 January 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

No. All I said was I thought $250,000,000 was an obscene amount of money just for toting around a bagful of Nike clubs for the next 10 years. There's always a possibility, albeit in his case a very, very small one, that Rory McIlroy could turn into somewhat of a bust. Still gets his $250,000,000, right? Even if he never sniffs another major.

And in which case, so what? That's business. That's life. We exist in a chronic state of imperfect information. People build fabs for $2.5 billion to make chips that don't find a home in the marketplace, or get leveled by a tsunami, or whatever. We all save diligently for our kids' college funds despite the gnawing 4 a.m. worry that they could well drive their first high school car off a cliff. This is the f*****g human condition! Perhaps you've heard of it?

I dont agree with johnnypro but i don't see anything wrong with him not rooting for rory for that reason. people do and do not root for people and teams for all different reasons. Thats what makes sports interesting. No different than rooting against the Yankees because of thier payroll.

Totally different than the yankees and their payroll. There are "sides" in pro team sports, the Yanks and Red Sox (and a few others) make for a non competitive balance among the other teams.

Though I agree he is well within his rights to find the contract amount, whatever it is, to be enough to not root for Rory. But if he is going to publicly admit to it, then he should just say it's simply because of the amount of money irks him. This "well what if he is a bust" seems to be an irrelevancy to anyone other than the person who made the final decision to give him that money.How can that possibly be a concern? Unless Nike is taxing him, and they aren't.

I give him credit for publicly admiting it. I for one have different reasons for not rooting for certain people that i keep to myself and im sure i am not alone. As far as the yankees, most say it is because of what you are saying, but actually choose to not root for them simply because of the amount they are paid. Here is a good example of what i was saying before about reasons people root or do not root but wont admit it. I root for the yankees because of all the people who root against them...............(and because i am a pirate fan and no amount of rooting can help them)

[KYMAR]

I neither give nor take away credit for saying "i can't root for X because he makes X amount of dollars" admitting it isn't the issue

The issue is just be real with why you feel that way. "he might be a bust?" Ok well my browns once drafted a disaster of a guy named Mike Junkin. I don't blame Mike for taking the money.

[wobgon]

KYMAR, on 17 January 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

I neither give nor take away credit for saying "i can't root for X because he makes X amount of dollars" admitting it isn't the issue

The issue is just be real with why you feel that way. "he might be a bust?" Ok well my browns once drafted a disaster of a guy named Mike Junkin. I don't blame Mike for taking the money.

As well you should not. I am just saying that many do, and would never say so, just like many people, like myself root for the yanks because others root against them but would not admit it. I understand what you are saying. Not really disagreeing. Just saying that j pro was saying what a lot of other are thinking. I have found that sports ,as far as fans go, bring out a lot of good, and a whole lot of bad in people.

[ZINC68]

CincyCreech, on 17 January 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

Josh L., on 17 January 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

Rory really looked like he was hitting the ball much further......

Agreed.. not sure if i saw him outdrive Tiger once.. Only watched like 9 holes though

Looks like they both avg. 289 yesterday, and both avg. 300 last year, so I'm guessing the
were slightly tougher this year.

[KYMAR]

Agree with the latter, especially if too many 8 dollar beers are involved. For my part i will say that I have been somewhat turned off by Rory and his oft repeated of late mantra of "i don;t play golf for money" I realize that you could parse those words and make it now technically true because whether this deal is 80 or 100 or 200 mil, he doesn't have to win ever again to have multi generational wealth. But, no one is going to tell me he didn't sign with the highest bidder. That in and of itself is not the problem, the problem is his see through insistence it was for some other reason. Why the charade? why the rouse that NOBODY is going to believe? It's because that's what Nike does. You sign with us and we own you. You will say NOTHING that can be construed as a negative against "our family" as a "Nike Athlete". That's the give part of the give and take a contract like this is, You lose credibility and make people skeptical about anything you say. So if ultimately, that was the point that Jpro was making, that rory has lost an element of credibility, then we agree.

[wobgon]

KYMAR, on 17 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Agree with the latter, especially if too many 8 dollar beers are involved. For my part i will say that I have been somewhat turned off by Rory and his oft repeated of late mantra of "i don;t play golf for money" I realize that you could parse those words and make it now technically true because whether this deal is 80 or 100 or 200 mil, he doesn't have to win ever again to have multi generational wealth. But, no one is going to tell me he didn't sign with the highest bidder. That in and of itself is not the problem, the problem is his see through insistence it was for some other reason. Why the charade? why the rouse that NOBODY is going to believe? It's because that's what Nike does. You sign with us and we own you. You will say NOTHING that can be construed as a negative against "our family" as a "Nike Athlete". That's the give part of the give and take a contract like this is, You lose credibility and make people skeptical about anything you say. So if ultimately, that was the point that Jpro was making, that rory has lost an element of credibility, then we agree.

Now if we can figure out what is wrong with the browns and steelers, we will be all set.........................................................

[KYMAR]

I kinow what was wrong with the browns.



And his lacky



My concern now is our new CEO.

And the steelers are just old. And your QB is a total D.

[wobgon]

KYMAR, on 17 January 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

I kinow what was wrong with the browns.

Mike.jpg

And his lacky

pat.jpg

My concern now is our new CEO.

And the steelers are just old. And your QB is a total D.

And which team do you think will be back first?

[mr smith]

bscinstnct, on 17 January 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

No. All I said was I thought $250,000,000 was an obscene amount of money just for toting around a bagful of Nike clubs for the next 10 years. There's always a possibility, albeit in his case a very, very small one, that Rory McIlroy could turn into somewhat of a bust. Still gets his $250,000,000, right? Even if he never sniffs another major.

Here is my totally speculative take on his deal.

He gets like 30 or 40 Million guaranteed even if he gets hurt but not if he decides to quit and be a sheep farmer. He would still have to work for Nike for 10 years doing ads and giving lessons to old ladies, whatever Nike says.

On top

even if he sucks and doesn't ever win again, as long as he play on the PGA tour he gets like 2 million a year

If he wins like 2 or 3 times a year with no majors, then he get 5 MM a year

If he wins a Major every other year, he gets 10 MM a year

If he wins 1  Major a year or so for 10 years he gets 20MM a year.

How's that sound?

That sounds like the dumbest thing I ever heard. You make it sound like they made it up on the run. Lawyers would spend a year thrashing out those terms.

[TMBob]

For sure he is hitting it further, no question there as I have never seen a ball that far left of a grandstand in my life....not a joke either. If someone has, please tell us who and where?

holy moly was that left and long

[KYMAR]

wobgon, on 17 January 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

KYMAR, on 17 January 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

I kinow what was wrong with the browns.

Mike.jpg

And his lacky

pat.jpg

My concern now is our new CEO.

And the steelers are just old. And your QB is a total D.

And which team do you think will be back first?

Answered in a PM so we wouldn't derail this thread anymore than we already did.



Apologies OP, just how the AFC North rolls.

[StuartRS]

To be fair, your not going to say equipment is not as good or just the same as the competitor when they are paying £20m a year, so no surprises.

Maybe the Nike driver does actually work for him better?  The good thing is he is young and should technically be able to play with anything, I just hope that is the case with the putter.

In regards to the money, after he won a couple or tournaments and a major, maybe he doesnt worry about the money any more?  He is set for life, even more so than the deal with Nike, so he can just go and play golf.

Whether the money is too much or not, if that what Nike is happy to pay him, then lucky him.  If he goes on to set up foundations and give to charity, making people less fortunate than him have a better life, then that's even better.

What about if your boss came up to you next week and openly offered you 2-4 times your salary, even if others believed your job wasn't worth that kind of money, and you were doing the same thing, would you turn it down?

[Paranorml]

I think he will figure it out and I'm sure the driver probably is a bit longer. I do find it a bit odd that he is using the same shaft from the 913 d3. The nike is much lower launching and lower spinning. Understandably he jacked up his driver loft a bit, but yesterday he was launching his drives ridiculously high and getting little to no roll when in the fairway, whereas Tiger and Kaymer where picking up 10 to 15 yards. I see it helping on PGA courses where the fairways roll out like greens no matter the flight of the ball, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did a little experimenting with some alternate shafts.

[jnradioactive]

New sticks - Missed cut - Priceless

Edited by jnradioactive, 18 January 2013 - 07:31 AM.

[jnradioactive]

You know it's bad when commentator says "I don't think anyone has ever hit it over there"

[spitfisher]

Lots of speculation on "the nike deal" and how much, how long...............One thing we do know terms and conditions of the contract can not be discussed.....heck it could be a base with a performance clause (bonus) in it, I never subscribed to the 250 million or 200 million, nor the 10 years.  Even if the deal was 100 million for 5 years I would expect Rory to say/act and toe the corporate line on his new sticks.

[MileHighClub]

Yeah, further RIGHT!

[bscinstnct]

mr smith, on 18 January 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

bscinstnct, on 17 January 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

johnnypro, on 17 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

No. All I said was I thought $250,000,000 was an obscene amount of money just for toting around a bagful of Nike clubs for the next 10 years. There's always a possibility, albeit in his case a very, very small one, that Rory McIlroy could turn into somewhat of a bust. Still gets his $250,000,000, right? Even if he never sniffs another major.

Here is my totally speculative take on his deal.

He gets like 30 or 40 Million guaranteed even if he gets hurt but not if he decides to quit and be a sheep farmer. He would still have to work for Nike for 10 years doing ads and giving lessons to old ladies, whatever Nike says.

On top

even if he sucks and doesn't ever win again, as long as he play on the PGA tour he gets like 2 million a year

If he wins like 2 or 3 times a year with no majors, then he get 5 MM a year

If he wins a Major every other year, he gets 10 MM a year

If he wins 1  Major a year or so for 10 years he gets 20MM a year.

How's that sound?

That sounds like the dumbest thing I ever heard. You make it sound like they made it up on the run. Lawyers would spend a year thrashing out those terms.

Well, I never claimed to be a genius, you know, jeesh.

Happy Friday!!