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[jabroni23]

KYMAR, on 16 January 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

So does that mean this is being "researched" still?

If the people who reported the listing as fakes (after having made an offer no less) are allowed to do so with impunity what recourse does the OP have? If the idea of removing the listing was done in an effort to protect the membership, then reposting the listing (even if the OP has decided to keep them) identifying those people would only serve the same purpose. I am unsure what could be left to research on the matter, It seems clear the OP's legit, as were his clubs.

+1...the only one that suffers here is the OP.  The individuals that recklessly accused him of being a fraud should be punished to discourage false claims against others.  It is reckless and wrong to call someone out like that.  It's one thing if you PM the guy and ASK, because you are questioning the authenticity of an item, but to accuse him in a public forum when you're completely wrong is way off base.

[Jarri]

KYMAR, on 16 January 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

So does that mean this is being "researched" still?

If the people who reported the listing as fakes (after having made an offer no less) are allowed to do so with impunity what recourse does the OP have? If the idea of removing the listing was done in an effort to protect the membership, then reposting the listing (even if the OP has decided to keep them) identifying those people would only serve the same purpose. I am unsure what could be left to research on the matter, It seems clear the OP's legit, as were his clubs.

jabroni23, on 16 January 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

+1...the only one that suffers here is the OP.  The individuals that recklessly accused him of being a fraud should be punished to discourage false claims against others.  It is reckless and wrong to call someone out like that.  It's one thing if you PM the guy and ASK, because you are questioning the authenticity of an item, but to accuse him in a public forum when you're completely wrong is way off base.

Seriously speaking, I seem to have gained a lot more respect on the forum now than I had before... In fact, I got only 2 inquiries the first 2 days when my listing was online... ever since the entire 'authenticity' hooolalala, I seem to be getting a dozen a day ....

Once again, I was extremely frustrated in the beginning and you can sense that from the first few posts, but I must admit, I have been given a fair chance to clear my name, provide my side of the story and restore my image.

I can't thank everyone, who has supported my side of the story and attested it with their comments so far, enough.

I feel the bond to this brilliantly run forum growing even stronger..

It might sound very lame, but I am proud to be a Wrx'er and to be a part of this great community.

Thanks every one.

PS: Don't need the listing back, as not selling anymore (thank you everyone who has inquired since) and my reputation on the forum is not only saved, it's been strengthened by everyone who has posted in this topic.

Edited by Jarri, 16 January 2013 - 08:46 AM.

[jabroni23]

[Riuzzi]

KYMAR, on 16 January 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

So does that mean this is being "researched" still?

If the people who reported the listing as fakes (after having made an offer no less) are allowed to do so with impunity what recourse does the OP have? If the idea of removing the listing was done in an effort to protect the membership, then reposting the listing (even if the OP has decided to keep them) identifying those people would only serve the same purpose. I am unsure what could be left to research on the matter, It seems clear the OP's legit, as were his clubs.

I actually believe this matter is still being "researched" by Jarri. I don't know if he has heard back from Epon yet.

I've talked to one of the guys from TSG about the irons since I/we don't know a whole lot about Epon irons, and like I've told Jarri, TSG confirmed everything that the members that reported the ad said. According to Tario from TSG there is no such thing as a 502 3 iron, and he said there is no such thing as special tour issue Epon irons. Personally I hope these turn out to be 100% real, as Jarri is a good guy. But the members that reported the ad to us did absolutely nothing wrong.

[Jarri]

Waiting for a response. However, meanwhile have been advised this by the dealer.

'Your set is a one off set that was built for a specific player with custom specs. As is the practice, when a tour player is fitted for certain specs, 5-7 sets with exact same specs are built for him, which he selects 2-3 out of based on his 'feel' and the other 'rejected' sets are either destroyed / re molded or sold off-market.'

[RookieBlue7]

I also don't think its fair to the member should he decide to sell them for his to be reinstated where it would fall by date but rather his item go back to the front page or the page it was on instead of getting buried.

[jabroni23]

Riuzzi, on 16 January 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

KYMAR, on 16 January 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

So does that mean this is being "researched" still?

If the people who reported the listing as fakes (after having made an offer no less) are allowed to do so with impunity what recourse does the OP have? If the idea of removing the listing was done in an effort to protect the membership, then reposting the listing (even if the OP has decided to keep them) identifying those people would only serve the same purpose. I am unsure what could be left to research on the matter, It seems clear the OP's legit, as were his clubs.

I actually believe this matter is still being "researched" by Jarri. I don't know if he has heard back from Epon yet.

I've talked to one of the guys from TSG about the irons since I/we don't know a whole lot about Epon irons, and like I've told Jarri, TSG confirmed everything that the members that reported the ad said. According to Tario from TSG there is no such thing as a 502 3 iron, and he said there is no such thing as special tour issue Epon irons. Personally I hope these turn out to be 100% real, as Jarri is a good guy. But the members that reported the ad to us did absolutely nothing wrong.

No offense, but I still find it in poor taste to publicly call someone out and make definitive statements based of what they "thought" or "have heard".  The OP was thrown in jail based on someone else's claim and he had to plead his case (and still is) to disprove the accusations.  The society that we live in enforces innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until he can prove his innocence.  If someone feels like something is possibly fake, they should in fact bring that to the mods, that is what the "Report" button is for.  Instead, a couple of reckless individuals acted haphazardly and convicted a member without proof.  There are ways to question others and their equipment's authenticity and then there is attacking a man's integrity.  The prior is acceptable, the latter is not unless it can be proven (see Jesusrocks).  Any members that reported (not publicly attacked) the OP did their part as a responsible member of this community, but the OP was not treated with fundamental respect and those that we're overly accusatory and out of line are the ones being given the leeway and benefit of the doubt.  Perhaps they were caught up in the moment, and if that is the case, a public apology for the overly accusatory nature is in order.  This community is very forgiving when someone owns up and shows a little humility.  One thing I love about this site and it's membership is the fact that we band together when someone was wronged, and we also receive those with open arms that may have gotten a little out of line and inadvertently offended one us as well, as long as they man up.  Maybe I'm in the minority, but this entire thread is about someone defending their integrity with a TON of class, while those that showed very little class are getting a free ride.

Edited by jabroni23, 16 January 2013 - 06:51 PM.

[Kadin 25]

I am curious as well to how this will end.

[Jarri]

Ok... so got the answer to the email I sent to Epon.. (to the SOSAN Co., Ltd., which is their worldwide dealers and their email pops up when you hit 'Contact' on epon site).

Do I have an answer now, hand on heart, I don't.

There answer was also around the same fact... sent me the pictures of the AF-502 'genuine' heads and highlighted how my heads were different.

My dealer insists these are genuine and a one-off set so the official Epon worldwide dealer would not know.

Do I believe my dealer? Yes, I have hit the best of the clubs over the last 3 years, Miura babyblades, Miura black blades, Epon AF Tour (demo day), Hakusa x-blades and some of the next best MP67s, MP68s, MP69s, Nike Classic Blades, Cally Protos, Titleist MBs etc etc... I am sure if I hit a knockoff I would be able to tell... These epons I have are pure... they feel as good as my Miuras. The finesse of the make, the finish, the shape, the sole, the cavity all tell me these are one of the finest produce... If these are fake, god, whoever forged them did perhaps a better job than Endo could do themselves.

Can I find more proof? No, my research line has exhausted. I don't know if I can.

Will I buy from my dealer again? As a matter of fact, I was selling these to free up some money and then add a bit more to buy a set of Personals.... I told my dealer of all that has happened since I listed them for sale... His answer... 'Don't sweat this small stuff... just send them back to me and I'll build you a set of Personals"... now I don't know of anyone who would do that... In fact, initially I had a difference of $500 that I had to add to get the personals... he offered to cut half for all the trouble I have been through.

Learning: I will never buy an off the run-of-the-mill product if I have a slightest intent of selling it later.

Hoping: While I cannot provide my fellow wrx'ers a definite answer on the product I listed, I am hoping they'd still believe that I, as a person, am legit even if they have a doubt that my listed clubs weren't.

Thanks everyone who has participated in this topic, thanks to all the mods that went beyond my expectations and were very very respectful during the entire issue.

Signing off...

[eyewipe]

Well played Jarri - i think through all this you have proven to be open, honest and gentlemanly in your conduct so your reputation should be intact. It also sounds like you will end up with the clubs you were after in the first instance.

[Riuzzi]

jabroni23, on 16 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

No offense, but I still find it in poor taste to publicly call someone out and make definitive statements based of what they "thought" or "have heard".  The OP was thrown in jail based on someone else's claim and he had to plead his case (and still is) to disprove the accusations.  The society that we live in enforces innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until he can prove his innocence.  If someone feels like something is possibly fake, they should in fact bring that to the mods, that is what the "Report" button is for.  Instead, a couple of reckless individuals acted haphazardly and convicted a member without proof.  There are ways to question others and their equipment's authenticity and then there is attacking a man's integrity.  The prior is acceptable, the latter is not unless it can be proven (see Jesusrocks).  Any members that reported (not publicly attacked) the OP did their part as a responsible member of this community, but the OP was not treated with fundamental respect and those that we're overly accusatory and out of line are the ones being given the leeway and benefit of the doubt.  Perhaps they were caught up in the moment, and if that is the case, a public apology for the overly accusatory nature is in order.  This community is very forgiving when someone owns up and shows a little humility.  One thing I love about this site and it's membership is the fact that we band together when someone was wronged, and we also receive those with open arms that may have gotten a little out of line and inadvertently offended one us as well, as long as they man up.  Maybe I'm in the minority, but this entire thread is about someone defending their integrity with a TON of class, while those that showed very little class are getting a free ride.

I think you might be remembering the replies in the ad a little differently than how they really were? No one attacked Jarri.

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Not pointing fingers or calling anyone out but the numbering font on the soles is much different than that on the 3 different sets of Epons I own.  You may want to check the authenticity of this set.

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I wouyld definitely check to make sure these are authentic. Which iron has the serial numbers?? The 7 on the bottom of the 7 iron is way off.  Don't mean to throw this out there but it doesnt seem right.  Where did you buy from?

Jarri, it's too bad that you couldn't get a definitive answer on the irons. Classy move by the original seller to take the irons back, I hope you enjoy the new Personals! I'm glad to see that this whole thing ended well. If you're ever in Copenhagen, let me know and we'll get together for a round of golf!

[SheriffBooth]

jabroni23, on 16 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

No offense, but I still find it in poor taste to publicly call someone out and make definitive statements based of what they "thought" or "have heard".  The OP was thrown in jail based on someone else's claim and he had to plead his case (and still is) to disprove the accusations.  The society that we live in enforces innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until he can prove his innocence.  If someone feels like something is possibly fake, they should in fact bring that to the mods, that is what the "Report" button is for.  Instead, a couple of reckless individuals acted haphazardly and convicted a member without proof.  There are ways to question others and their equipment's authenticity and then there is attacking a man's integrity.  

Take it easy.  Nobody was thrown in jail and nobody attacked Jarri personally.  Legitimate concerns were raised regarding the authenticity of the clubs, the listing was taken down for further investigation, and ultimately even Epon couldn't provide a definitive answer regarding the heads.  We worked closely with Jarri to get to the bottom of this, and it appears to have worked out well for him.  All's well that ends well.

[jabroni23]

SheriffBooth, on 17 January 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

jabroni23, on 16 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

No offense, but I still find it in poor taste to publicly call someone out and make definitive statements based of what they "thought" or "have heard".  The OP was thrown in jail based on someone else's claim and he had to plead his case (and still is) to disprove the accusations.  The society that we live in enforces innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until he can prove his innocence.  If someone feels like something is possibly fake, they should in fact bring that to the mods, that is what the "Report" button is for.  Instead, a couple of reckless individuals acted haphazardly and convicted a member without proof.  There are ways to question others and their equipment's authenticity and then there is attacking a man's integrity.  

Take it easy.  Nobody was thrown in jail and nobody attacked Jarri personally.  Legitimate concerns were raised regarding the authenticity of the clubs, the listing was taken down for further investigation, and ultimately even Epon couldn't provide a definitive answer regarding the heads.  We worked closely with Jarri to get to the bottom of this, and it appears to have worked out well for him.  All's well that ends well.

OK, I thought someone called the clubs fake in an open thread.  I didn't realize a few members just raised the concern.  If they simply reported the ad questioning it's authenticity, I stand corrected.

[2 down automatic]

I am one of the comments regarding the Authenticity of the Epon 502's and i want to make sure Jarri you understand that i was in no way shape or form trying to attack you.  Looking at everything you have i know that you truly believed that this set was real.  I really wanted you to check for yourself to make sure that you didnt get the raw end of a deal.  If i didnt have a lot of knowledge about the epons i would have never posted that comment.  I felt strongly enough and knew that what i was saying could be backed up.  I should have pm'd you before posting but i also wanted to make sure other people were aware that there may be an issue with the heads.  I think that everyone on this website would do the same to make sure we protect all of our friends on this website. Once again i do apologize if you felt like we attacked you but i dont think either one of us did.  Well at least i know i didnt i wouldnt make a comment like that and then try and purchase. Enjoy your personal's!

[stg113]

This is the whole problem with anything golf related that may or not be "tour" issued/related. So many of the pro clubs are built for individual pro's, I wonder if the companies really know what they have built for individual pro's. Some of them do their own grinding for Pete's sake. Most of it is the same as the retail, but much of it was built/made for a specific pro (especially irons which can be ground from a blank or CNC'd) and who knows if it was ever entered in the companies inventory.

[Jarri]

2 down automatic, on 18 January 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

I am one of the comments regarding the Authenticity of the Epon 502's and i want to make sure Jarri you understand that i was in no way shape or form trying to attack you.  Looking at everything you have i know that you truly believed that this set was real.  I really wanted you to check for yourself to make sure that you didnt get the raw end of a deal.  If i didnt have a lot of knowledge about the epons i would have never posted that comment.  I felt strongly enough and knew that what i was saying could be backed up.  I should have pm'd you before posting but i also wanted to make sure other people were aware that there may be an issue with the heads.  I think that everyone on this website would do the same to make sure we protect all of our friends on this website. Once again i do apologize if you felt like we attacked you but i dont think either one of us did.  Well at least i know i didnt i wouldnt make a comment like that and then try and purchase. Enjoy your personal's!

Mate, thank you very much for your PM and the above post. Copying pasting my reply to your PM below.

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No mate, no reason to apologies. I never said in the entire topic I created that anybody insulted me. Even my first post is around why I didn't get a chance to provide my side of the story.

If I see something on the BST that I feel awkward about, I would say something of the same sort as yourself did. My initial anger was driven by the removal if the ad before I could respond.

In fact it's a good thing people like yourself speak out, helping people not get taken advantage of.

Regards
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