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[Jarri]

Apologies if this comes across as venting anger, but I am angry...

So my listing from BST for Epons 502s is removed just about as I type my answers to the allegations of 'FAKE'... I manage to post the post and then 15 secs later, the entire topic is gone...

A question to the gentleman that yelled 'FAKE' in the topic, are all of the below fake as I got them all from the same dealer.... a very well reputed one.

And the 3 items (Hakusa blades, AP2s and the MP59s I sold through golfwrx were also all fake????????)... here are the links to the BST posts.

Hakusa and AP2s.... http://www.golfwrx.c...2-3-pw-dg-s300/

MP59s... http://www.golfwrx.c...-spine-aligned/

A question to the mods, do you not allow the OPs to response to the allegation and just delete a topic as soon as someone yells fake?

Edited by Jarri, 14 January 2013 - 11:56 AM.

[Jarri]

And if I am a thug looking to cheat ... WHY would I take time to actually report a fake MP60 set on ebay?

http://www.golfwrx.c...019-fake-mp60s/

Edited by Jarri, 14 January 2013 - 11:58 AM.

[Terry L. T.]

Those clubs all look genuine if they are fake I could not tell.

[Jarri]

The mods are debating whether or not to relist my recent epon 502 listing. To be honest, I am not that interested in selling those anymore. What hurts me is being called a cheat.

Simple enough, 2 people said these were fakes

1. Because in their limited knowledge they think epon does not make 3 iron in this set, based on what's listed on epon website... Well, if you buy from Japan directly, you can get 3 iron as well as a GW from epon dealers, but not every European/American knows that.

2. My set is from Japan tour so is a tour issue and there was 1 post talking about the font on the sole of the 7 iron being different from the other 3 epon sets he owns (not including 502s).

Well if you know Bryant Brothers in the US, you must know about their reputation as well. The guy is treated like a God on freegolfinfo.com. Here is the link to his profile 10000+ posts on the forum.

http://www.freegolfi...px?memid=103028 (not trying to advertise another forum, just that he is like the super-heavy guy there).

Here is a link to one of his posts... http://www.freegolfi...1&key= (ID =lowpro12). See the email address lowpro12@hotmail.com (weekends) in his signature and see the email address in my Paypal payment photo below to check that it's the same guy.

If he is a cheat, God knows who to trust then.

They are who I bought them from. I have special deals with them as I keep buying a lot of jdm from them and I know one guy on their team very well.

Here is the pic from paypal of my payment to them.

Edited by Jarri, 14 January 2013 - 02:59 PM.

[KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE]

Evidence suggests some posters here owe you a PUBLIC APOLOGY.

[KYMAR]

KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE, on 14 January 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

Evidence suggests some posters here owe you a PUBLIC APOLOGY.

+1

[Arafel]

Very public...

[KYMAR]

Wondering where the accusers are. OP should ID them since the Ad is closed.

[Jarri]

One of them (won't name anyone until the mods make a decision) actually wanted to buy the set. Offered me a ridiculously low amount, politely declined. My ask was $155 (heads only) which is still a big bargain on almost new epons with only 1 round and 1 range session on them.

I have requested the mods to relist my post and then I'll take it down myself posting I don't want to sell anymore.

That way they can be sure no animals were hurt in the making of all this and I can redeem my esteem or what's left of it on this forum.

[Jarri]

In fact, if the mods enable the listing again, people can read the allegations and the reasons for allegations and my responses and justification and then make up their own mind. I am sure most people that buy through BST are adults enough.

Just venting...

[SheriffBooth]

Maybe if you posted pictures of the Epon heads that were called into question, including the unusual sole numbering, some of our members could verify that they are indeed Japanese tour issue for you.  I certainly know little if anything about Japanese tour issue clubs and would be interested to learn why Epon uses different number styling for their tour heads.

[Jamboy72]

Why don't you just post the pics you had in your ad and we can go from there?

[Jarri]

Another piece of evidence that I buy regularly from Bryant Brothers.

[Jarri]

Here is the album link to the pics

http://imageshack.us/g/1/9963282/

[Jarri]

and here is the link to my profile on linkedin.... Does it look like from my profile that I make money selling fakes?

http://www.linkedin.com/in/yasirzaidi

Edited by Jarri, 15 January 2013 - 05:01 AM.

[Riuzzi]

Jarri, I've sent you a pm.

[Jarri]

Thanks for moving this to 'Deal or no deal'...

[plus8]

Wow.

It is a shame that some itinerent folks can cry 'Wolf' when they are not bona fide experts and have little to judge by, then mandate the mods to slash and burn a guy's reputation without any real verification or due diligence.  And it is particularly sad, if it's true, that one of the folks had actually (apparently) low-balled an offer before throwing the flag.

Mods.... can you spell 'Sense of Perspective'?

Of course, that's just my opinion....I could be wrong......

[Jarri]

plus8, on 15 January 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

Wow.

It is a shame that some itinerent folks can cry 'Wolf' when they are not bona fide experts and have little to judge by, then mandate the mods to slash and burn a guy's reputation without any real verification or due diligence.  And it is particularly sad, if it's true, that one of the folks had actually (apparently) low-balled an offer before throwing the flag.

Mods.... can you spell 'Sense of Perspective'?

Of course, that's just my opinion....I could be wrong......

Thanks a lot mate for the support.

However, would like to clarify that the MODS have done a beyond expectation job so far. This a 'free for all' forum and they don't get paid to do this. However, they have been on the case and are trying all they can to sort this out.

would especially like to thank Riuzzi and SheriffBooth for all the help they have provided so far...

I was angry in the beginning, however, cannot praise the mods here enough.... truly...

Edited by Jarri, 15 January 2013 - 07:26 AM.

[mister2cool]

I am sure the mods are doing a stellar job in keeping the integrity of the BST. Even though sometimes this could mean some misunderstandings.

Shame on the person who said it's fake so he could lowball the seller!!! That person should be banned from here.

[Falang_Golfer]

I do believe they had a 3 for that set.  I've had epon stuff before that was not listed on their site.  My only problem with your ad (this is being picky) was that you quoted a price from tour spec as heads only but I thought they only sold built up.  But I was not sure about it so kept my mouth shut.  I did feel they were real.

[Jarri]

Falang_Golfer, on 15 January 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

I do believe they had a 3 for that set.  I've had epon stuff before that was not listed on their site.  My only problem with your ad (this is being picky) was that you quoted a price from tour spec as heads only but I thought they only sold built up.  But I was not sure about it so kept my mouth shut.  I did feel they were real.

you are absolutely right... should have been more clear in my listing...

Wanted to mean that epon 502s sell $255 per club on from reputable sources, so my ask price of $155 per head (as close to new as possible) was not an unfair one. That was the sole reason for comparison intended.

Apologies if it came across as me offering it at 60% of their price...

Edited by Jarri, 15 January 2013 - 10:50 AM.

[mukster]

I'm glad for you that this got sorted out. I guess with 200 000 odd members here, things actually run pretty smoothly. I got angry at a mod once for locking my thread, but in retrospect my ADHD got the better of me! They do a great job, for no pay and it can be a thankless job.  For the record, that was some of the nicest eye candy I have seen in one thread for a while!

(Someone threw that member total around, dunno if it is accurate)

Edited by mukster, 15 January 2013 - 11:05 AM.

[cwbrion]

Yes I hate it when people who think they know everything call "wolf" on someone else.  I agree these people need to Publicly apologize to the OP and the low ballershould be banned.  To cry Wolf and then lowball the seller is not acceptable behavior around here.  Best of luck to the OP as things go forward.

[jabroni23]

I feel bad for you OP.  Although I agree that the mods do a great job here and are working hard to make things right with you, it was very wrong for one of them to delete your ad based on a couple of guys who hide behind keyboards.  Although this technology is wonderful and allows us to communicate from all over the world, it also has created so many people that spout off because there are no direct consequences and they are never held accountable.  Props to you for being the bigger man as well.  I can't say that I would have been able to put my anger aside, because there is nothing worse (IMO) than calling a person's integrity into question when it isn't warranted.

[plus8]

Jarri, on 15 January 2013 - 04:20 AM, said:

and here is the link to my profile on linkedin.... Does it look like from my profile that I make money selling fakes?

http://www.linkedin.com/in/yasirzaidi

Okay, I just looked at your'linked in'..... 2 questions:

1.  Can you get Cubans?
2.  Should I dump AAPL?

....in that order, please....

Edited by plus8, 15 January 2013 - 07:05 PM.

[plus8]

mukster, on 15 January 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

I'm glad for you that this got sorted out. I guess with 200 000 odd members here, things actually run pretty smoothly. I got angry at a mod once for locking my thread, but in retrospect my ADHD got the better of me! They do a great job, for no pay and it can be a thankless job.  For the record, that was some of the nicest eye candy I have seen in one thread for a while!

(Someone threw that member total around, dunno if it is accurate)

+1!!!! This notwithstanding, I cannot commend the mods enough for the job they do.... for one reason and one reason only....they love golf as much as we do.

[hayden]

mods are so valuable to this site especially my dealings with drpino i'm sure others are just as concerned about our well-being as members.

this items definitly look like the real deal....

[dcmidnight]

Because a couple of people asked me about it - adds that appear deleted may in fact just have been hidden. I can appreciate how long it takes to put together some of these listings believe me, so most times if there are questions or something is being worked on, it is not deleted (meaning the user has to start the listing over) - its just been hidden to allow for a little more research.

[KYMAR]

So does that mean this is being "researched" still?

If the people who reported the listing as fakes (after having made an offer no less) are allowed to do so with impunity what recourse does the OP have? If the idea of removing the listing was done in an effort to protect the membership, then reposting the listing (even if the OP has decided to keep them) identifying those people would only serve the same purpose. I am unsure what could be left to research on the matter, It seems clear the OP's legit, as were his clubs.