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[Imp]

Sawgrass, on 09 January 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

But I'm not going to hold my breath.

Could set a new world record...

[kevcarter]

lander215, on 08 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

This thread provided some great fodder at my sons ballgame tonight. We were discussing how interesting it was that two other posters provided specific times at which "at rest" was defined, and a third said to trust what has been said because they are "representatives" (I had to take that one by word of mouth as I don't read everyone's posts due to some settings I have).

Then when I summize the situation, the clique bands together to say how that wasn't accurate, and then congratulate one another on their findings.

You guys are a hoot! And the funniest thing about this conversation I had was that it was my friends that read this board that pointed it out to me! LOL!

Clique away gentlemen! Hats off to you, I'd say for shame....but somehow I doubt some of you have any.

Much ado about nothing.

In retrospect, the six second guideline didn't need to be posted in my original response. That could have been left for a later question.

Did you notice when Newby mentioned 2-3 seconds that nobody got pissy over the differing views? That's because all those times are is a guideline, nothing more.

Then ROGOLF posted:

"When replaced, the ball must come to rest on the spot where it was replaced.  If it will not come to rest on that spot, it is not in play and you must find the nearest spot, no nearer the hole, where it will come to rest and place it there.  If you take your hand off the ball and it immediately rolls away, it has not come to rest.
You haven't convinced anyone here that it was at rest after replacing - originally you said "a second", but that's not at rest in my opinion.  Even 4-5 seconds may not be sufficient if the ball is moving ever so slightly. "

That's where the high five between the "clique" came in. He correctly stated its really not about how many seconds lapsed, but whether or not the ball was truly at rest. We know it when we see it, and rule from there. Perfect answer.

Everything is not black and white with the rules, a lot of gray areas. Discussions like this are a huge help in getting everybody on the same page. I have a hard time understanding your constant vitriol.

Kevin

[Mr. Bean]

Wow, lots of opinions...

I believe some people are making a simple thing way too complex. A ball is at rest when it is not moving. A ball is not moving if you do not see it moving.

[KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE]

Since there is not a clear time limit, maybe the 10 second limit placed on A , waiting for a ball on the edge of the hole to drop after he arrived to the cup , could be the standard to follow.

Edited by KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE, 09 January 2013 - 01:24 PM.

[Newby]

Just place it on the ground. Release your grip. Stand up. If it hasn't moved it was at rest. Play it as it lies.

[Mr. Bean]

Newby, on 09 January 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Just place it on the ground. Release your grip. Stand up. If it hasn't moved it was at rest. Play it as it lies.

My point exactly.

[QEight]

Imp, on 09 January 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

If you were able to place it without it moving, then remove your marker without it moving (remember, ball is in play as soon as it's placed, marker or not),

Bolded part is not relevant here, as if the ball moves, you just replace it without penalty.

[Locked]

So just theoretically, in the OP's situation if he were to place the ball and it doesn't move.... stand back to check the line (still no movement).... decide he wants one more sip of his beer to calm his nerves so he walks over to his bag (ball lies still), sips the beer, and on the way back to hit the putt a gust of wind were to start the ball rolling and it went in the hole, would that be an ace?  from what I've read in this thread it seems like it but I don't know if there is a rule about outside forces moving the ball.

[kevcarter]

Locked, on 09 January 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

So just theoretically, in the OP's situation if he were to place the ball and it doesn't move.... stand back to check the line (still no movement).... decide he wants one more sip of his beer to calm his nerves so he walks over to his bag (ball lies still), sips the beer, and on the way back to hit the putt a gust of wind were to start the ball rolling and it went in the hole, would that be an ace?  

Correct

Please see the decision posted on page one by our distinguished friend Lander.

20-3d/1

Placed Ball Rolls into Hole

Q.A replaces his ball on the putting green three feet from the hole. As he is about to address the ball, it rolls into the hole. Should the ball be replaced or is A deemed to have holed out with his previous stroke?
A.The answer depends on whether the ball, when replaced, came to rest on the spot on which it was placed before it started rolling. If it did, A is deemed to have holed out with his previous stroke. If not, A is required to replace the ball (Rule 20-3d). However, if the ball had been overhanging the hole when it was lifted, the provisions of Rule 16-2 would override those of Rule 20-3d.

Edited by kevcarter , 09 January 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[Locked]

kevcarter, on 09 January 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Locked, on 09 January 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

So just theoretically, in the OP's situation if he were to place the ball and it doesn't move.... stand back to check the line (still no movement).... decide he wants one more sip of his beer to calm his nerves so he walks over to his bag (ball lies still), sips the beer, and on the way back to hit the putt a gust of wind were to start the ball rolling and it went in the hole, would that be an ace?  

Correct

Please see the decision posted on page one by our distinguished friend Lander.

20-3d/1

Placed Ball Rolls into Hole

Q.A replaces his ball on the putting green three feet from the hole. As he is about to address the ball, it rolls into the hole. Should the ball be replaced or is A deemed to have holed out with his previous stroke?
A.The answer depends on whether the ball, when replaced, came to rest on the spot on which it was placed before it started rolling. If it did, A is deemed to have holed out with his previous stroke. If not, A is required to replace the ball (Rule 20-3d). However, if the ball had been overhanging the hole when it was lifted, the provisions of Rule 16-2 would override those of Rule 20-3d.

Do the rules specify whether or not you have to still buy drinks in the clubhouse if this is how you get a hole in one?  My gut says that if you were to get that lucky you should have to buy everybody drinks and hand out hundred dollar bills to everybody on their way out.

[nfinch10]

lander215, on 08 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

This thread provided some great fodder at my sons ballgame tonight. We were discussing how interesting it was that two other posters provided specific times at which "at rest" was defined, and a third said to trust what has been said because they are "representatives" (I had to take that one by word of mouth as I don't read everyone's posts due to some settings I have).

Then when I summize the situation, the clique bands together to say how that wasn't accurate, and then congratulate one another on their findings.

You guys are a hoot! And the funniest thing about this conversation I had was that it was my friends that read this board that pointed it out to me! LOL!

Clique away gentlemen! Hats off to you, I'd say for shame....but somehow I doubt some of you have any.

Wow!!  You just keep finding ways to make yourself look better and better don't you?