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Should I Try Out a 64 Degree Wedge?

Is It Worth It???

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#1 fishstix94

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:22 PM

My current wedge setup is 48*(ping s57)  55* (vokey sm4)  and a 60* (Cleveland cg14 or my nike vr pro forged). I just recently bought David Pelz short game bible and he recomends using a 64. I LOVE Pelz's system so i figured i would give it a try. But I cant seem to pull the trigger. So do you guys think it is worth it???

Also my current distances are 140 with my 48*, 108 with my 55, and 99 with my 60*. I am VERY confident with my 48* from 140-100 as i just take off a little. but its that inside 100 that needs work.

Thanks in advance!!!


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

I have one and absolutely love it. It took a while to get used to, but it's well worth persevering with.

I know a lot of people will say it's a pointless club, and that you can get exactly the same effect by opening up a 58 or 60, but to counter that I always say that such a move increases more variables to the shot and more that can go wrong (such as increased bounce, misalignment, and trying to keep the face open through impact).

My current wedge setup is 47, 53, 58, 64

Pull the trigger... you know you want to.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

why not just go all out?

http://www.golfdiges...-conformin.html

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostBottlenosedolphin, on 07 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

why not just go all out?

http://www.golfdiges...-conformin.html

As intriguing as that looks..... il have to pass.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

View PostMarkFromTheUK, on 07 January 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

I have one and absolutely love it. It took a while to get used to, but it's well worth persevering with.

I know a lot of people will say it's a pointless club, and that you can get exactly the same effect by opening up a 58 or 60, but to counter that I always say that such a move increases more variables to the shot and more that can go wrong (such as increased bounce, misalignment, and trying to keep the face open through impact).

My current wedge setup is 47, 53, 58, 64

Pull the trigger... you know you want to.

Lol i definitely want it! But people keep talking me out of it. I have heard that they are hard to hit with full swings? Have you ever had this problem??


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

You get more bad advice around here than anywhere else.  Get a 64, play with it, soon enough you'll know.

Mine gets used 2 times a round but that's good enough for me to keep it.  Look into 58-64 setup.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

View Postrafal, on 07 January 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

You get more bad advice around here than anywhere else.  Get a 64, play with it, soon enough you'll know.

Mine gets used 2 times a round but that's good enough for me to keep it.  Look into 58-64 setup.
LOL!  So true!

I agree.  Try it out and sell it if you don't.  I will say it will take a bunch of practice and I gave up.  I just couldn't get it to act right.  Good luck!

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:32 PM

View Postfishstix94, on 07 January 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostMarkFromTheUK, on 07 January 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

I have one and absolutely love it. It took a while to get used to, but it's well worth persevering with.

I know a lot of people will say it's a pointless club, and that you can get exactly the same effect by opening up a 58 or 60, but to counter that I always say that such a move increases more variables to the shot and more that can go wrong (such as increased bounce, misalignment, and trying to keep the face open through impact).

My current wedge setup is 47, 53, 58, 64

Pull the trigger... you know you want to.

Lol i definitely want it! But people keep talking me out of it. I have heard that they are hard to hit with full swings? Have you ever had this problem??

I can count on one finger the number of times I have hit it with a full swing... that's not what they are designed for.

I use mine a fair amount around the greens. I have enough confidence to chip with it, but it really comes in to its own on 30 yard pitches when you throw it straight at the flag and it rips to a stop on the 2nd bounce.

It takes a lot of practice and a lot of patience to get the best out of a 64. Don't get disillusioned if you spend the first 2 weeks hitting chunks.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:35 PM

If you need it get it...

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

View Postrafal, on 07 January 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

You get more bad advice around here than anywhere else.  Get a 64, play with it, soon enough you'll know.

Mine gets used 2 times a round but that's good enough for me to keep it.  Look into 58-64 setup.
I would go for the 58-64 setup but I use a 55* and the 58 would be to close to it. I may bend one of my 60s to a 59 tho.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:31 PM

View Postfishstix94, on 07 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

View Postrafal, on 07 January 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

You get more bad advice around here than anywhere else.  Get a 64, play with it, soon enough you'll know.

Mine gets used 2 times a round but that's good enough for me to keep it.  Look into 58-64 setup.
I would go for the 58-64 setup but I use a 55* and the 58 would be to close to it. I may bend one of my 60s to a 59 tho.

I benched my 56* and don't miss it anymore.  It was one of those in-between clubs that checks too much on rollouts and rolls out too much on check ups.

Now I have clear gaps and my 51* AW is the last club I take full swings with.   The 58* is all-purpose and 64* is for those shots that you know will roll past the pin anyway, you just want to roll them out as little as possible.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

View Postrafal, on 07 January 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

View Postfishstix94, on 07 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

View Postrafal, on 07 January 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

You get more bad advice around here than anywhere else.  Get a 64, play with it, soon enough you'll know.

Mine gets used 2 times a round but that's good enough for me to keep it.  Look into 58-64 setup.
I would go for the 58-64 setup but I use a 55* and the 58 would be to close to it. I may bend one of my 60s to a 59 tho.

I benched my 56* and don't miss it anymore.  It was one of those in-between clubs that checks too much on rollouts and rolls out too much on check ups.

Now I have clear gaps and my 51* AW is the last club I take full swings with.   The 58* is all-purpose and 64* is for those shots that you know will roll past the pin anyway, you just want to roll them out as little as possible.
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Edited by fishstix94, 07 January 2013 - 07:20 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:19 PM

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:34 PM

Go for it and let us know how it turns out.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostBottlenosedolphin, on 07 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

why not just go all out?

http://www.golfdiges...-conformin.html

Perfect, now I'll have a club to fill the gap between my 56° and 90° wedges.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

If you ask a question on an online forum people will give their opinions. I don't know how much bad advice you get in threads like this....though maybe in threads about what's the longest driver. But a 64 degree wedge certainly is a matter of preference

I used one for a full season. At times it was a godsend. I would hit shots with it that i couldn't hit with a 60 and it felt awesome. But to me 95% of the shots i used it for i could use a 60 for. And on those 95% the 60 was probably better in the end truthfully

If you have very deep greenside bunkers or oakmont speed greens. They could provide some use. Or if you also play a 58 then again i could see it working. If you go straight from 56 to 64 it may be tough for generic pitch shots especially if you have a high bounce sand wedge which isn't always great on all kinds of lies
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:02 PM

View Postazgreg, on 07 January 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

View PostBottlenosedolphin, on 07 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

why not just go all out?

http://www.golfdiges...-conformin.html

Perfect, now I'll have a club to fill the gap between my 56° and 90° wedges.

How long did that math take you anyway???

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

I've been thinking about a 64* since my round yesterday.  Course had elevated greens that were protected by a lot of bunkers.  Greens are fast and have no flat spots, so even if they weren't elevated, running it along the green would be tougher than the air.  Pins were near the edges, so I ended up short sided on a few holes where I was 10 yards off the green but had to get it up 5 feet vertical too with only a bit of green to work with.  Played more flop shots with my 58 than I had in the last 10 rounds combined, which did not end well:).  Was stuck in a deep 6 foot bunker on one hole too.  I can't think of another course that I regularly play where I wish I had one, but might get one just to bring there.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:57 PM

View Postfeedlotdoc, on 07 January 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

How long did that math take you anyway???

Why do you want to know? Need some help with 1st grade math?
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:24 PM

I go 49 - 54 - 62 deg right now and am loving the 62; plenty of flop on tight chips & pitches without having to open the face.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:38 AM

I am a big believer in having a variety of wedges.  However, I really think a 64* wedge is more harmful than beneficial for the majority of players.  I have tried a 64* wedge in the past.  It was only used on shots where I short sited my self so I used it sparingly.  Even on those situations there were a lot of risk vs reward.  The problem was I felt I could use the 64 to get me out of trouble so I would go for it instead of playing smart.  This is the reason I ditched the club.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:04 AM

With the stronger lofted iron sets from manufacturers today I now carry "5" wedges. But, the PW from my set is a 45 degree so it is actually really a 9 iron. Then I have a gap wedge that is really a PW, etc. Anyway, I have a 64 bent to 62 so my gaps between my real wedges are about 10-12 yards on full swings and I can use whichever wedge I want around the green depending on the lie. The wedges are set at 54,58,62. I lose out on one longer club in the bag but I feel it is more important to have tighter yardage gaps in my wedges rather than with my highest yardages. I heard a Nationwide pro on PGA XM just recently talk about this in regards to amateurs. He was saying that tour level players can manipulate their yardages very well with their wedges but amateurs just can't do this well. So, he was saying that amateurs would do better to eliminate a long iron and carry an extra wedge or two to have full swing shots all the way from 60 -120 yards without more than a 10-15 yard gap. He was saying he thinks amateurs would save 3-5 strokes a round by having full swing shots for these yardages and hitting it closer and not missing as many greens from these distances because they are trying to hit half shots or knockdowns without the expertise.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:13 AM

I think a lot of it has to do with the course you play.  I experimented with a 64 several years ago but my course really doesn't require a lot of shots that require a 64.  It does take some time and practice with it and it can still be a little rougher to hit.  I think you could spend the same amount of time or less learning to use a 58 or 60 and be better at flopping it than you would a 64.  

Now, if my course had really deep bunkers all over, and elevated greens with slops off of every side that made the green ten feet or more above my head etc I amy consider one but then again probably not as I have practiced enough with my 58 that I know how much to open the face to flop it.

Buy one, play with it for a while because you are a WRX Ho, then move on to the next golf club that occupies your mind lol.  That's what I do.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

View PostHstead, on 08 January 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

I think a lot of it has to do with the course you play.  I experimented with a 64 several years ago but my course really doesn't require a lot of shots that require a 64.  It does take some time and practice with it and it can still be a little rougher to hit.  I think you could spend the same amount of time or less learning to use a 58 or 60 and be better at flopping it than you would a 64.  

Now, if my course had really deep bunkers all over, and elevated greens with slops off of every side that made the green ten feet or more above my head etc I amy consider one but then again probably not as I have practiced enough with my 58 that I know how much to open the face to flop it.

Buy one, play with it for a while because you are a WRX Ho, then move on to the next golf club that occupies your mind lol.  That's what I do.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

View Postfishstix94, on 07 January 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

My current wedge setup is 48*(ping s57)  55* (vokey sm4)  and a 60* (Cleveland cg14 or my nike vr pro forged). I just recently bought David Pelz short game bible and he recomends using a 64. I LOVE Pelz's system so i figured i would give it a try. But I cant seem to pull the trigger. So do you guys think it is worth it???

Also my current distances are 140 with my 48*, 108 with my 55, and 99 with my 60*. I am VERY confident with my 48* from 140-100 as i just take off a little. but its that inside 100 that needs work.

Thanks in advance!!!

Then I would reccommend that you either spend time getting comfortable hitting partial wedge shots....or build your game around laying up to 100 yds.

In my experience a 64* wedge is a niche club, that is valuable in a few narrow situations.

1. You're a Bubba Watson-esque bomber, and simply need a wedge that an hit the ball shorter than a 60* can.

2. You play on courses with thick Bermuda (or other broadleaf grass) rough, and need greenside shots where you can rip at the ball with a lot clubhead speed in order to get it out.

3. You play courses with extremely sloped, extremely fast greens...and have difficulty getting greenside shots with a 60* wedge to stop.

4. You play courses with very elevated greens and very deep-faced bunkers, so that even greenside shots with a 60* wedge get tricky.

In these situations, a 64* wedge can give you needed shots that a 60* would have difficulty with.  Especially to the player who is not comfortable hitting flop shots with a laid-open 60*....or in the situation with Bermuda rough where there is a risk of fluffing an open-faced wedge shot on a wedge that lofted.

Outside of these circumstances, imo, you just don't face enough greenside shots that warrant that much loft to justify the space a 64* wedge would take up in the bag.

...and hitting full shots with a 64* is a very dicey proposition, as it is very difficult to get consistent distances from a wedge that lofted.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:25 PM

View Postkellygreen, on 08 January 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

View Postfishstix94, on 07 January 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

My current wedge setup is 48*(ping s57)  55* (vokey sm4)  and a 60* (Cleveland cg14 or my nike vr pro forged). I just recently bought David Pelz short game bible and he recomends using a 64. I LOVE Pelz's system so i figured i would give it a try. But I cant seem to pull the trigger. So do you guys think it is worth it???

Also my current distances are 140 with my 48*, 108 with my 55, and 99 with my 60*. I am VERY confident with my 48* from 140-100 as i just take off a little. but its that inside 100 that needs work.

Thanks in advance!!!

Then I would reccommend that you either spend time getting comfortable hitting partial wedge shots....or build your game around laying up to 100 yds.

In my experience a 64* wedge is a niche club, that is valuable in a few narrow situations.

1. You're a Bubba Watson-esque bomber, and simply need a wedge that an hit the ball shorter than a 60* can.

2. You play on courses with thick Bermuda (or other broadleaf grass) rough, and need greenside shots where you can rip at the ball with a lot clubhead speed in order to get it out.

3. You play courses with extremely sloped, extremely fast greens...and have difficulty getting greenside shots with a 60* wedge to stop.

4. You play courses with very elevated greens and very deep-faced bunkers, so that even greenside shots with a 60* wedge get tricky.

In these situations, a 64* wedge can give you needed shots that a 60* would have difficulty with.  Especially to the player who is not comfortable hitting flop shots with a laid-open 60*....or in the situation with Bermuda rough where there is a risk of fluffing an open-faced wedge shot on a wedge that lofted.

Outside of these circumstances, imo, you just don't face enough greenside shots that warrant that much loft to justify the space a 64* wedge would take up in the bag.

...and hitting full shots with a 64* is a very dicey proposition, as it is very difficult to get consistent distances from a wedge that lofted.
Thanks for the advice. One of my problems is that i play a 60 w 12 degrees of bounce which I like. The problem is it makes flop shots inconsistent. Another problem is that I don't generate much spin at all inside 50 ydds so even when I put a solid swing on it I end up being 10ft past. That's why I like the idea of a 64

Edited by fishstix94, 08 January 2013 - 08:55 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 07:18 PM

Ok since you are asking I will tell you why I went to my current wedge setup, all Ping Tour S or TS grinds....47,52,60 bent to 58,and 64.  I tend to have a long swing with every club and short shots are no exception, so I figured why not get a club I could swing full and hit a shorter distance.   I have had 4 rounds since adding the 64 and still no practice time and each round the 64 has saved me about 3 shots per round when I use it....so for me it's well worth it.   I have tried 60's and 62's in the past and not done well with them but this setup again is working for me.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:37 AM

View Postfishstix94, on 08 January 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

Thanks for the advice. One of my problems is that i play a 60 w 12 degrees of bounce which I like. The problem is it makes flop shots inconsistent. Another problem is that I don't generate much spin at all inside 50 ydds so even when I put a solid swing on it I end up being 10ft past. That's why I like the idea of a 64

1. Twelve degrees of bounce on a lob wedge is a LOT of bounce...that's more typical for a SW.  Generally LW's have significantly less bounce than that so that can be played from a wider variety of lies.    Opening up the face on a LW with that much bounce is going to make it difficult to play open-faced shots from anything other than soft turf, bunkers, and fluffy lies in the rough.   Simply going to an LW with substanially less bounce might solve your problem.

2. If you are not getting much spin with a 60* wedge then it is either a technique problem, an equipment problem (distance golf ball), or you are playing on incredibly hard greens.    If its the last situation, then the 64* wedge is certainly a reasonable solution.  But in the other cases, I'd go after what is the real root of the problem.  Because fixing them will be easier than trying to master the quirks of a 64* wedge
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

Okay well I've decided that im going to get one. The question is which brand? I have always played a mixed bag of wedges, so I am not bias. I am looking at the vokey sm4, the ping tour s, the mizuno mp t11, and possibly Cleveland 588. Any advice??

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

View PostMarkFromTheUK, on 07 January 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

I have one and absolutely love it. It took a while to get used to, but it's well worth persevering with.

I know a lot of people will say it's a pointless club, and that you can get exactly the same effect by opening up a 58 or 60, but to counter that I always say that such a move increases more variables to the shot and more that can go wrong (such as increased bounce, misalignment, and trying to keep the face open through impact).

My current wedge setup is 47, 53, 58, 64

Pull the trigger... you know you want to.
What wedges do you recommend??


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