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[mrlongball]

Ok, so I posted a headcover I had just picked up from a very reliable source from Japan. I am wondering how to tell a REAL Scotty cover from a FAKE. I apologize to any of the members I offended by putting it up for sale, it has since been removed, pictures and the BST closed. I had an ad up with what some members are calling a fake scotty cover, I would not have posted it if it was or if I did post I would give you full disclosure. I am posting the headcover on TCC for someone with a lot of experience to let me know....It is Japan Scotty Cameron OEM with slight defects (minor minor over stiching in areas, letters etc...) but am guaranteed it is authentic. Will find out when I hear what TCC says. From what inspections Ive done and tips ive gotten, it is real, legitimate shape, AME Tag is present, fur doesnt feel fake, stiching on outer part of cover is crisp and real......We will see....

What I am looking to find out its how do you determine for 100% what is real and what is fake. Feel of the leather, fur, AME tags, etc..etc...

Anyone out there know and can help?


Cheers

Edited by mrlongball, 06 January 2013 - 12:37 AM.

[horty1388]

Shape, tag, material, stitching. Compare all of these to pictures of legit covers. If you go on Cameron collector there are a lot of threads comparing real to fake covers

[mrlongball]

What am I looking for on the stiching, material etc...I checked and they have the AME tag in ALL of them.....shape?

[Arpeggi]

Buy from the custom shop/Scottycameron.com

[Graymulligan]

Arpeggi, on 04 January 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

Buy from the custom shop/Scottycameron.com

That's not real productive advice, as he's obviously already purchased it.  Further, plenty of people sell legit headcovers in the BST.

[meganharold124]

Like one of the other posters have said.....go to Cameroncollector website and sign up. There is a wealth of information there on how to spot fakes and generally once you post a pic, one of the experts there can spot the fakes rather quickly. There has been such an influx of fake Cameron headcovers from overseas lately, especially on Ebay I would be very hesitant about purchasing one unless it was from a very reliable source!

[squishyy]

Compare the one you were trying to sell then look at the one I have just posted. I've circled two areas that are indicative of a fake. The picture I am posting is a real headcover. Notice the font in the green headcover. It is perfectly stitched. Now look at yours, red headcover. Does the "S" seem upside down in yours or not proportional? Also, the real headcover circle T label should touch the letter "T" and sewn across the middle of the letter "O". Now compare yours.

You need to do some legwork before claiming the one you have is real. If multiple people are suspecting yours is a fake...most of time...they are fake. Reputable source or not they may not be aware. I'm sorry but it is what it is...

REAL



REAL


FAKE




These are real white circle T headcover:
http://www.ebay.com/...=item1c2f076c7b
http://www.ebay.com/...=item337ef390a6

Edited by squishyy, 06 January 2013 - 02:17 PM.

[albatrosser]

That cover you posted for sale was obviously fake.  The upside down "s" is the first blatant clue.  IIRC the shape wasn't even right on it.  I've was IMO one of the most obvious fakes I've ever seen.

[KaTooM]

squishyy, on 06 January 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Compare the one you were trying to sell then look at the one I have just posted. I've circled two areas that are indicative of a fake. The picture I am posting is a real headcover. Notice the font in the green headcover. It is perfectly stitched. Now look at yours, red headcover. Does the "S" seem upside down in yours or not proportional? Also, the real headcover circle T label should touch the letter "T" and sewn across the middle of the letter "O". Now compare yours.

You need to do some legwork before claiming the one you have is real. If multiple people are suspecting yours is a fake...most of time...they are fake. Reputable source or not they may not be aware. I'm sorry but it is what it is...

REAL
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REAL
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FAKE
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These are real white circle T headcover:
http://www.ebay.com/...=item1c2f076c7b
http://www.ebay.com/...=item337ef390a6

Excellent "tutorial". Thanks for taking time to post pix and be thourogh with your explanation!

Touche´

[mrlongball]

So what if the rest of the cover passes ALL the other tests, or ame tag, fur, stiching etc...there are alot of items out there that have slight defects, sold for less that are the real deal....Aside from these two issues, can the headcover still be real and have slight defects.....I understand that this may not be a 100% real deal, but it can be real deal with defects. And if you have the right connections these could be had....

[mac94]

It should have an AME tag on the inside. If not, fake.

[horty1388]

Your head cover doesn't have slight defects, it is blatantly fake, it looks like every other fake out there... Defects on Scottie's are small scuffs or a single extra thread not upside down letters, wrong stitching, wrong shape , etc

[PZero]

mrlongball, on 07 January 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

I understand that this may not be a 100% real deal, but it can be real deal with defects.

We've helped you out and gave you info on how to spot a fake, but I guess that's not hitting home. It's a fake, end of story.

[Graymulligan]

mrlongball, on 07 January 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

.I understand that this may not be a 100% real deal, but it can be real deal with defects. And if you have the right connections these could be had....

No, and no. The white/red cover posted above isn't even close to what it should look like.  It's an obvious fake.  It's not an "oops" at the production facility, and it's not something that got messed up and was smuggled out of the facility under cover of darkness.  It's a bad fake.

[mrlongball]

it has AME tag on the inside, good stitching minus the letters, fur is identical to another Scotty Red X cover I have, velcro is the same, material is legit...plus came from a very very reputible source within the industry...one reason I got it at a killer price. but you have your opinions i have mine. thanks for the assistance on how to spot a fake tho.

[Noyes26]

The fakes have that tag inside also. Dude, you are so far off this, its unreal.

Please please please.... don't sell anything else on this forum.

[HoMStYLz]

It doesn't matter it it has an AME tag or the fur is the same.... Anybody can buy a original AME putter cover & stitch what they'd like onto it.

[Ckingolf]

in denial that his source is not so reputable after all

[albatrosser]

mrlongball, on 07 January 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

So what if the rest of the cover passes ALL the other tests, or ame tag, fur, stiching etc...there are alot of items out there that have slight defects, sold for less that are the real deal....Aside from these two issues, can the headcover still be real and have slight defects.....I understand that this may not be a 100% real deal, but it can be real deal with defects. And if you have the right connections these could be had....

seriously?  we ALL have connections for FAKE gear... it's called eBAY... I find it scary that you're still set on "hey, it COULD be real!"

It could, but it's NOT.

Alas, another name added to the growing list of people I would NEVER buy from on this site.

Please just eat your losses/mistake.  Don't try and pass it off on someone else.  PM me, I'll give you $30 for it and burn it as soon as you send it to me, as that's what should happen to it.  and DON'T buy from that "reputable" source EVER again!

Edited by albatrosser, 08 January 2013 - 03:34 PM.

[NickPhillips]

This is a funny post. I have laughed several times.

[PZero]

albatrosser, on 08 January 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

Alas, another name added to the growing list of people I would NEVER buy from on this site.

+1

[mrlongball]

I am not saying its real nor denying its fake. That is not what this topic was about. It was about finding an answer to my question in general.  

I wanna know all the ways to tell Scotty headcovers are fake other than 'just the lettering'. While that is a sign of being fake, what if the lettering was real what OTHER ways are their of telling its fake, I am sure there are other headcovers where the material is different or velcro etc...etc.......This could have had real lettering and many people would still question its authenticity, they would ask for other signs it is real....

I do not plan to sell this on here now or ever.... I would never pass off 'fake' gear. I wouldnt want to be on the recieving end of fake gear, so I would never sell it to another person.  None of what Ive sold or traded on here is fake either. Its not right. I made a mistake and I apologize. All id like is a list of all the things to look for when buying/spotting/identifying a fake.

thanks

[squishyy]

First of all, let's just agree that the headcover you are selling is fake. There is no denying it.

However, I understand what you are inquiring about which is the quality control of Scotty Cameron items. To my knowledge, I will say I have yet to see Scotty headcovers produced in poor quality. In addition, only retail Scotty Cameron headcovers will be in packages and never a Circle T as they are not available to the public. You should really question yourself if you have ever seen a scotty item that is different from the rest. If yes then you need to question that item immediately. I also understand that your source is very reputable but all sources can be misinformed or yet unaware of items in hand but just want to move inventory. I'm not accusing that your source is not good. For all I know he/she is probably well known but sometimes things slip by.

You asked for a list of things to look for in spotting a fake. I've provided that to you. Here are some more that I should add:

1. If the headcover is wrapped in a package, how did you determine that the leather has the same feel as a real scotty headcover? Did you actually feel it? Was it opened then resealed? If so, why wasn't this informed?
2. The fur, velcro, and tag can look the same but do they really feel the same? The fur can be obtained from anywhere and honestly...a Scotty headcover is just....a normal headcover with average material that can be purchased at Lowe's or Home Depot. How about the velcro? I've seen many at Art stores...
3. I have a fake Scotty California headcover in hand. It was given to me and I accepted it since I just wanted protection for my putters. Looking side by side against a real one, the fake headcover is much larger compared to the real one. Unfortunately you probably won't have the luxury or having a real circle t in hand? I say this because you would have already told us it feels/looks alot different...
4. As far as authenticity goes, the only truth is discovered is when the uninformed sells the item. Try selling this headcover on eBay. See how much it can sell for. Or yet, maybe wait for a warning from eBay regarding counterfeit items?
5. Any response from TCC regarding this headcover? I bet you have already received the same response.

That's all I'd like to say.

I'm kind of interested in purchasing it from you though. How about $20?

[mrlongball]

Thank you for the tips and answering the questions I had, squishyy. To those who became offended by what I posted or put up in the BST, I apologize and will do some serious digging the next time I come across a scotty headcover. Again, I am sorry.

[ddamron]

this thread just helped my alot.... I wouldve never known and just almost posted a fake for my first bst... How tragic would that have been