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WHY MUST PEOPLE WITH SLOW SWING SPEEDS THINK THEY NEED AN EXRA STIFF GOLF SHAFT???


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#1 dtowngolf

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:44 AM

I hate when people who don't know what there talking about when it comes to equipment think they need an extra stiff shaft when they have a swing speed around 90. For instance this morning my bro called me said he looked at a driver at golf galaxy yesterday which he loved. He tried the 913 with extra stiff shaft.....the problems is this is his second year playing and he's never broken 100 and normally hits the ball around 220 yards because his awful swing...i just got him to go on the course last year for the first time.I wish he understood what he was getting and how many yards he could be losing...

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:48 AM

Why dont you try telling him that....
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:51 AM

I see it all the time too. I'm 104-108mph with the driver and a stiff suits me just fine. Shoot, I even like the feel of my wife's senior flex. I know there is more to it than swing speed so please don't give me a shaft fitting dissertation this early in the a.m. :)

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:58 AM

I think anybody with some sort of athletic ability can grow into an x.  Its much more of a feedback mechanism with swing mechanics.  Reality sucks.  Then you learn. :)
edit...at least an untipped x

Edited by PingG10guy, 02 January 2013 - 08:00 AM.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:59 AM

View Postdtowngolf, on 02 January 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

I hate when people who don't know what there talking about when it comes to equipment think they need an extra stiff shaft when they have a swing speed around 90. For instance this morning my bro called me said he looked at a driver at golf galaxy yesterday which he loved. He tried the 913 with extra stiff shaft.....the problems is this is his second year playing and he's never broken 100 and normally hits the ball around 220 yards because his awful swing...i just got him to go on the course last year for the first time.I wish he understood what he was getting and how many yards he could be losing...

View Postdtowngolf, on 02 January 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

I hate when people who don't know what there talking about when it comes to equipment think they need an extra stiff shaft when they have a swing speed around 90. For instance this morning my bro called me said he looked at a driver at golf galaxy yesterday which he loved. He tried the 913 with extra stiff shaft.....the problems is this is his second year playing and he's never broken 100 and normally hits the ball around 220 yards because his awful swing...i just got him to go on the course last year for the first time.I wish he understood what he was getting and how many yards he could be losing...

I doubt his inability to break 100 is centred around the driver. To be honest, if the stiffer shaft kept him in the fairway more often (which it could) then it would be a plus. But your are probably right - if anything, this highlights the benefit from (a) seeking professional advice (b) getting fitted correctly for your equipment. But if he is enjoying his golf, who are we to argue?


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:05 AM

Best thing about playing in todays world is the ability to try different shafts with the click of a wrench.  At my club I'm constantly helping others get a better fit with their drivers as most just order a stock whatever with little regard for flex or length.  My suggestion is find a fitting cart.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:11 AM

"i hate when people" forget about the angle of attack and the amount of lag different golfers produce in their golf swing AND how people always trust big box retailer's launch monitors.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:25 AM

View Postkwooten31, on 02 January 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Why dont you try telling him that....
i did..Over and over again. He said he loves the look of it and he feels the shaft feels better when I doubt he can tell much of the difference between shafts..he's very inconsistent
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:45 AM

If he has no lag in his downswing, then the choice is totally a feel thing. Without some wrist c-o-c-k angle late into the downswing a softer shaft will neither help nor hurt his launch angle, spin, ball speed or anything else.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:56 AM

I wish my game was good enough to just worry about what flex shaft other players use.  Of course with today's swing analyzers anyone can test a different flex shaft and know instantly if the shaft will work with their SS.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:00 AM

Why must people try to run someone else's game?

Same OP was wondering why Nick Watney, a multi winner on Tour mind you, would use an 11.5* driver.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:10 AM

View Postdtowngolf, on 02 January 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

View Postkwooten31, on 02 January 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Why dont you try telling him that....
i did..Over and over again. He said he loves the look of it and he feels the shaft feels better when I doubt he can tell much of the difference between shafts..he's very inconsistent
Not sure why your so concerned or "hate" what other people use for equipment. If he believes the shaft feels better to him who are you to say he's wrong or can't tell the difference in "feel"? Even the best professional fitters in the world still have to ask the player if a shaft "feels" better than another. If you want to help him which I have to guess is what you really want, I would suggest working on putting and short game before you concern yourself with what equipment he is using, leave that to a certified fitter. With that said have him go out and get fitted.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:19 AM

I love senior flex irons and woods.  It's what I need it's what I use.  Helped my game a bunch.  Get fitted.  Word.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:26 AM

I have no problem with people playing clubs that aren't right for them. Just to confirm we're playing a $20/$20/$20 game straight up from the tips?? Fantastic!!!
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:27 AM

I'm on the other end of this topic, my driver swingspeed is 97-102 depending on how the back feels that day. Have been back and forth with shaft flex  R, R+. & S but always seem to go back to a regular flex for some reason. I don't have a real aggressive swing and have played my best with an R flex. However I did read an article in Golf Digest some years ago that about 80% of amateurs play the incorrect shaft flex. While a softer flex may help your brother part of the consistency problems may be because he is new to the game.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:37 AM

View Postdtowngolf, on 02 January 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

I hate when people who don't know what there talking about

Your bro probably hates when you use "there" instead of "they're," so I'd say you guys are pretty much even.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:05 AM

Whatever makes him happy.

As Ceres said, depending on many factors in his swing, it could make almost no difference in his distance/launch angle.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:05 AM

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

That would annoy me too. I would stop paying for his clubs if I was you.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

i've hardly ever run into this mythical creature. Talked about a lot on forums for sure....at my golf club among the A's i believe there is only 1 guy who uses X stiff. There's some guys who could for sure use X. When i ask them they say they aren't interested and always use stiff. It's annoying to play X because you have to custom order everything. I have a friend who swings 116 around and uses a 50g stiff in his driver, which he hits all over the planet. I've done everything short of pulling a knife on him to try and get him to switch.

I just rarely if ever see it the other way. Most guys i see don't want to use X. I actually recently switched back from that to heavier or stout stiffs

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:42 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 02 January 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

i've hardly ever run into this mythical creature. Talked about a lot on forums for sure....at my golf club among the A's i believe there is only 1 guy who uses X stiff. There's some guys who could for sure use X. When i ask them they say they aren't interested and always use stiff. It's annoying to play X because you have to custom order everything. I have a friend who swings 116 around and uses a 50g stiff in his driver, which he hits all over the planet. I've done everything short of pulling a knife on him to try and get him to switch.

I just rarely if ever see it the other way. Most guys i see don't want to use X. I actually recently switched back from that to heavier or stout stiffs

On this same topic:

Golf Galaxy had an X new in box for him to take home???

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:44 AM

It might be one of them X's that some dude ordered and traded back in a month later...

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:45 AM

MtlJeff is right.

There are several very good players (indexes between +1 and 3) I tee it up with.  To a man, every one of them has a stiff flex in their driver.  I think that all but one have the stock off-the-rack stiff.  One in particular would benefit from an X to bring his trajectory down, but when he is in with 71 and I have a 10-footer to make for 80, who the hell am I to tell him what he should or shouldn't spend his money on?
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:45 AM

If he likes the shaft, why do you care?  Why must people go on golf forums and try to act oh, so superior?

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 02 January 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

i've hardly ever run into this mythical creature. Talked about a lot on forums for sure....at my golf club among the A's i believe there is only 1 guy who uses X stiff. There's some guys who could for sure use X. When i ask them they say they aren't interested and always use stiff. It's annoying to play X because you have to custom order everything. I have a friend who swings 116 around and uses a 50g stiff in his driver, which he hits all over the planet. I've done everything short of pulling a knife on him to try and get him to switch. I just rarely if ever see it the other way. Most guys i see don't want to use X. I actually recently switched back from that to heavier or stout stiffs

Yeah buying x irons sucks...it limits your ability to test a lot of clubs (well, that and my height).  It's not a perk.

If you buddy is an xflex and blows the ball everywhere, then he needs to go up to a higher weighted shaft.  My driver is the 85g and I have a ton more control.  If an extremely light shaft is the product of your swing speed and you're going OB left or right 3-4 times a round that's just dumb.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

View PostGaijin_Golfer, on 02 January 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

If he likes the shaft, why do you care?  Why must people go on golf forums and try to act oh, so superior?
why are you all acting rude as hell? I want my him to hit the ball as far as he can. He picked the shaft almost strictly on looks, he doesn't know anything about shafts
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

View PostVindog, on 02 January 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Why must people try to run someone else's game?

Same OP was wondering why Nick Watney, a multi winner on Tour mind you, would use an 11.5* driver.
i was wondering how he gets the right numbers with his driver as far as spin rate and launch angle, that's for being a jerk and then jumping threads man
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

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View PostMtlJeff, on 02 January 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

i've hardly ever run into this mythical creature. Talked about a lot on forums for sure....at my golf club among the A's i believe there is only 1 guy who uses X stiff. There's some guys who could for sure use X. When i ask them they say they aren't interested and always use stiff. It's annoying to play X because you have to custom order everything. I have a friend who swings 116 around and uses a 50g stiff in his driver, which he hits all over the planet. I've done everything short of pulling a knife on him to try and get him to switch. I just rarely if ever see it the other way. Most guys i see don't want to use X. I actually recently switched back from that to heavier or stout stiffs

Yeah buying x irons sucks...it limits your ability to test a lot of clubs (well, that and my height).  It's not a perk.

If you buddy is an xflex and blows the ball everywhere, then he needs to go up to a higher weighted shaft.  My driver is the 85g and I have a ton more control.  If an extremely light shaft is the product of your swing speed and you're going OB left or right 3-4 times a round that's just dumb.

my friend uses a 50 stiff...I've tried to tell him 100 times it's bad for him, or that he should at least try X. He swings legitimate 115+

Yeah using X stiff sucks....I did it for 3 years. Demo'ing is hard, you can't buy off the rack. I was happy when i was able to move back to stiff, though not happy my new swing cost me a few MPH here and there
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

I'm not acting superior to my friend, I just am trying to help him out here. He can't have any faster swing speed than 90. Shortest player out of our group of friends who play together. I just don't see how it's a smart thing for him to swing a shaft in which he may be losing a bunch of yards with. So yeah please get off my case people dang
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

Unless he gets a professional fitting or some swing coaching, it is impossible to say whether that shaft is causing any loss of anything for him. Slow-swinging, untutored high handicappers tend to be people who don't load ANY shaft no matter how flexible. I'm one of them.


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