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We keep going around in circles with this on this site and we continue to get nowhere with the whole thing.
The question everyone continues to ask is "how will custom fitting improve my game" and all they get in return is a bunch of vague answers purporting potential benefits.
When a car company claims their car is safer the consumer asks for the data, when a pharmaceutical company says their pill works better the consumer asks for the data. To those in the golf industry who expect consumers to purchase their product over that of the oem I think it's time we as consumers demand the same thing. Wanna say your product is better that what the big firms are offering? Prove it, give us some quantifiable evidence.
I want to see hard data that proves that clubs from a custom clubmaker perform better than both fit clubs and off the rack clubs from an oem. As a consumer who is being told that this is the case I feel I have a right to see the evidence.
I don't know about hard data but I can tell you my experience. And its informative.
I decided to get fit for clubs (was 17+ handicap at the time - varying between 16 and 18+ depending upon the season) and decided I wanted some better clubs. I had had a number of lessons over the years, but with one teacher and with various around the country.
I first went to a callaway fitting center and went thru the entire process and was writing the check when I asked about the shaft flex. They stated that it really did not make any difference at all in my swing or whatever. And went on and on about this. Being at the time not super knowledgeable but experienced in flex, I knew that shaft flex was reasonable important. i tore up the check right there, cancelled the order for the irons and went elsewhere.
Went to a custom shop that had a number of options. Spent 2.5-3 hours on the range hitting a number of different brands, models, shaft flexes and lengths using trackman. I ended up with a set of Miura Blades as the numbers were clearly best for them (I was 65 at the time and did not figure that blades were for someone that age but the numbers from trackman were that much better - and my feel and everything else was better.)
Within a few months, my handicap (no other basic changes) went from the 16-18 down to a 5 range and is still in the 8-9 range. Before the Miura's and that custom fitting I had been playing off the shelf OEM clubs that had loft/lie and length adjusted for me. And I had been a 16-18 for a few years since working regularly with a local pro (he got me from a 25-30 down to the 16-18 but couldn't seem to get me lower).
Were the Miura's that much better than OEM and worth the difference in Price? I still cannot tell. But did they and the fitting make a difference in my handicap. NO QUESTION! Numbers proved it unquestionably. But as I found out, there is a world of difference in the quality of fitters. Just because some one has a shingle and certification doesn't mean that they know what they are doing, but if the fitting works, it really works. I'm a believer because of this.
Tom makes sense and I'm living proof of the 16-18 using true custom fitting and making a difference. I'll fully grant my body characteristics are not average nor is my swing normal. But still, it did work., And I've done enough testing since then of drivers and shafts, etc to see the difference changes make and now understand much more about fitting. I've taken classes, read extensively and become semi-knowlegeable about the subject. And I've helped a few people since with some of my own recommendations.
Does it work for everyone, of course not. Nothing is 100% nor is it foolproof. But can it make a dramatic difference, yes. I've seen too many instances now in the last few years where simple fitting changes made dramatic differences in people's games.
Saying that you went from an 18 to a 5 in short succession simply because you bought a set of $2000 irons is absolute nonsense.
That's all I have to say about that.
So you say you want evidence. A guy posts his own personal evidence and you determine that it is nonsense. That's a pretty tough standard you've set, making yourself judge, jury and executioner.
If I told you I went from a 8 to a 4 after first being fit, would THAT work for you? That's what happened. Now 20 years later I'm still getting fit every time I buy new equipment, and I'm still a 5 at age 60. There isn't a doubt in my mind that fitted clubs have helped retain my length and IMPROVE my accuracy, and I have a lot of mathematical evidence to support that.
If you say you need evidence on a mass scale, you've set an impossible standard because there isn't any way to set up a control group and have only one variable. That reduces us to anecdotal evidence from people like me and MyronM, among others, and you seem to have your mind made up on that.
If you look at the statistics of where shots are lost in an 18 handicappers round it is overwhelmingly weighted toward penalty shots and the short game, neither of which will be improved by the improvement factor of 360% due to a new set of irons (or improvement in iron play which stretches past the claims made in the statement) as asserted by the gentleman above.
I asked for statistical evidence, and now you're trying to incite an argument because I wouldn't take someone at their word that they improved 360% overnight simply because of a purchase of a set of irons? His post was nonsense and yours is just as bad. Stop insulting my intelligence with this drivel.
Lighten up, Francis...
I'm not trying to incite anything. You're the one referring to what others say as "nonsense" and "drivel".
I get that you aren't a fan of custom fitting of clubs, and that's ok by me. But to demand what you call "hard data" and then flame people who provide exactly that from their own experience might be a little harsh, don't you think?
I'm a stats geek; chart EVERY round and enter it in a program called Scorekeeper, and have since computer programs were on floppy disks. I've got the exact data that you are talking about. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to see fitting as important, or whatever your deal is. But if you consider it to be nonsense and/or drivel, then there's no talking to you. Go play some golf and try to settle down a little bit, dude.
Edited by bluedot, 12 January 2013 - 09:35 AM.