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#1 Ripken08

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:33 PM

I have about 8 rounds on my MP-64s and I really do love them.  But they are not loving me back.  Even when I think I hit a great shot I am ending up short.  My GIR are terrible.  Scores have creeped up a little bit but pretty close to my normal score.  But that is all because I can chip.

Thinking of moving to a full set of MP-H4s.  I hit the 6i off a mat in the store and it surprised me.  Still felt pretty good and seemed to be easy to hit.

What to do......

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:38 PM

Resist!!!!!!!!!!!  Don't do it!  LOL.  Are you playing in weather alot cooler then normal?  I know we are colder then on avg right now in Mass.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:51 PM

If you love them and hit them well but you are continuosly short, it's not rocket science, take more club.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:52 PM

The problem with demoing clubs is that it is not really representative of actual golf.  On the course, you can't stand there and bang away at 10 balls over the course of 2 minutes and get into a groove.  However, if the 64s worked when you did that, you know the swing is in there somewhere.

I would suggest resisting as well for now.  There is no clubhead design on earth that will fix all bad strikes and that H4 series is less about forgiveness and more about launch angle.

I just got my 64s last night and had a Jekyll and Hyde 9 hole debut.  However, even the bad swings were playable.  It's winter, perhaps you just need to take one more club than your used to playing.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:32 PM

It would be a damn shame if you let go of the 64's without really having more time with them. My suggestion is to purchase a few H4's in the long irons and make yourself a nice combo set. Best of both world's right there.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:29 PM

View PostSHORTBUTSTR8, on 12 December 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

I have about 8 rounds on my MP-64s and I really do love them.  But they are not loving me back.  Even when I think I hit a great shot I am ending up short.  My GIR are terrible.  Scores have creeped up a little bit but pretty close to my normal score.  But that is all because I can chip.

Thinking of moving to a full set of MP-H4s.  I hit the 6i off a mat in the store and it surprised me.  Still felt pretty good and seemed to be easy to hit.

What to do......


nobody wanted to listen to me when I said the 64s are TOUGH.  Im a pretty good ball striker 5 HC hit the snot out of my irons and I Could not hit them pure.  The sweet spot is Tiny.  They look amazing, feel great and are sexy but Im not good enough to give shots away because I missed the sweet spot.  

The H4s are crap too.  IMO Mizunos offerings this year were Terrible and im pretty loyal to mizuno.  Not this year.
I even called them today to raise hell about no 54s lol.  Im not the first to call he said - they might have something in the works for this year.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

View Postdriverwedge3putt, on 12 December 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:


... IMO Mizunos offerings this year were Terrible and im pretty loyal to mizuno.  Not this year.
I even called them today to raise hell about no 54s lol.  Im not the first to call he said - they might have something in the works for this year.

Now THAT would be worth waiting for.  My eye and heart say 64, but my inability to play more than I do says H-4.  I just don't think I can look down at a club with a topline that appears to be about 3/8" thick.

Going to have to try out the CMB, but the C-Taper isn't the right shaft for me.  

At the rate I'm going, the 2014 models will be out before I've pulled the trigger.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:16 PM

I think you should give it some time and resist as well.  My first two rounds with my 64s were horrible, but hey, they were new clubs with a totally different shaft (went from DG s300 to KBS tour Stiff).  My ball flight was a little higher and my distances a little shorter due to the cooler weather.  

I must say, for me a few trips to the range pounding balls really helped.  I have no problem moving the ball either way but predominantly play a slight fade.  I've hit some of the best shots of my life with the 64s in my last few rounds.  

My 5-PW 64s work seamlessly with my 2-4i H4s. Unlike a few other commenters, I love the feel and forgiveness of the longer H4s.

Having said all that, to each their own.  I went from frustration to  figuring them out on the range.  It may help you too.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:22 PM

How much distance are you going to lose in 45 degree weather vs summer?
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:48 PM

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How much distance are you going to lose in 45 degree weather vs summer?

I lose at least one full club, more times than not 1-1/2 to 2clubs. It is not only the temp. but the extra clothes I have to wear. That can screw up my swing so that I am not only slowing down but making bad contact as well. Do not base the clubs performance in these condition.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:57 PM

View PostGbyeball, on 12 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

View PostSHORTBUTSTR8, on 12 December 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

How much distance are you going to lose in 45 degree weather vs summer?

I lose at least one full club, more times than not 1-1/2 to 2clubs. It is not only the temp. but the extra clothes I have to wear. That can screw up my swing so that I am not only slowing down but making bad contact as well. Do not base the clubs performance in these condition.

Problem is I have been clubbing up one and still short.  I noticed today while cleaning them though that the ball marks are maybe 1/4" ball diameter towards the toe so they might be a degree or so too flat for me, particularly the long irons.  I'm just a little bit off center, but by no means clanking them off the toe so I shouldn't be penalized too much with these.  Thin shots (my miss)....not so good results...
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:00 PM

Have you got on a L/M with your current set to make sure you are not spinning them too much?
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:05 PM

View PostOrangeCrush, on 12 December 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Have you got on a L/M with your current set to make sure you are not spinning them too much?

No...going on the mizzy optimizer recommendation.  I will have to compare them to my MP14s which has DG S300s in them on the course.  I know the 14s are weaker lofted but I could at least compare shafts.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:42 PM

It always takes time to get use to new irons. I would recommend taking some range time to get use to them (It won't happen over night). What were your previous clubs? Mizuno might have weaker lofts compared to your last set.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:19 PM

Were your misses just short. If direction, trajectory and dispersion were all ok then I would chalk down to just the weather. They are still very new to you so you might not have a good handle on the distances yet particularly with temps being cool.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:21 PM

just got my combo set of both h4 and 64. unfortunately only been able to hit on a simulator. not really sure how accurate the distances were but i was hitting the ball solid and clubs felt great. can't wait for the first day to crack 50 to get out and hit these off the turf. not sure if it was a great idea getting brand new clubs and now having to wait until spring to really get out and see how the work
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:29 AM

View PostSHORTBUTSTR8, on 12 December 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

View PostGbyeball, on 12 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

View PostSHORTBUTSTR8, on 12 December 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

How much distance are you going to lose in 45 degree weather vs summer?

I lose at least one full club, more times than not 1-1/2 to 2clubs. It is not only the temp. but the extra clothes I have to wear. That can screw up my swing so that I am not only slowing down but making bad contact as well. Do not base the clubs performance in these condition.

Problem is I have been clubbing up one and still short.  I noticed today while cleaning them though that the ball marks are maybe 1/4" ball diameter towards the toe so they might be a degree or so too flat for me, particularly the long irons.  I'm just a little bit off center, but by no means clanking them off the toe so I shouldn't be penalized too much with these.  Thin shots (my miss)....not so good results...

They are not easy to hit. Anybody that says the 64's are forgiving is crazy. They aren't even forgiving relative to modern blades like the mp69's. To me they offer pretty much the same level of forgiveness. Any difference is minute....like maybe 1-2 yards.

I think I remember you saying that your misses tend to be thin. Thin misses plus little weight at the bottom of the club is not a good combo.
The h4's may be a bit much, but with as many sets of Mizuno players irons that you have gone thru and never really get the performance that you expect, I think it may be time for you to look at something else.

You like everything about 59's, 63's, 64's, 68's, and 69's except for the way perform on the course. Sooner or later you're going to have to decide what's more important to you.....good looking clubs that sound and feel they way you want or clubs that perform the best for you.
Unfortunately, they are not always the same.

I may get bashed, but that's just my .02

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:15 AM

I will toss in my two cents since I just played 18 with an H4 demo set this weekend and it was around 40 degrees and windy.

Came up short a few times....more wind than the cold...in general maybe a 1/2 club short because of the cold. I have played and tried almost everything from every OEM. These were not on the radar until a wrx member mentioned how good they were on thin shots. Could not agree more! As a sweeper I really loved these irons. The 3-7 were explosive feeling but very controlled, 8-PW more of a solid feel. Not a thin shot the entire round, great turf interaction throughout the set.

To be honest, the looks did not bother me at all and a 1/4 way through 18 I forgot they were oversized at all. With the right shaft these could be a real sleeper set.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:23 AM

I don't like when someone says "I could hit my old 7 iron this far and can only hit this new 7 iron is shorter".  Maybe it is a function of loft.  One company's 7 iron might be a 6 iron loftin another's.  Mizuno lofts are traditionally more close to what iron lofts used to be and not the modern juiced lofts.  Bend them 2* strong and be done with it.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:41 AM

View PostSHORTBUTSTR8, on 12 December 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

View PostGbyeball, on 12 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

View PostSHORTBUTSTR8, on 12 December 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

How much distance are you going to lose in 45 degree weather vs summer?

I lose at least one full club, more times than not 1-1/2 to 2clubs. It is not only the temp. but the extra clothes I have to wear. That can screw up my swing so that I am not only slowing down but making bad contact as well. Do not base the clubs performance in these condition.

Problem is I have been clubbing up one and still short.  I noticed today while cleaning them though that the ball marks are maybe 1/4" ball diameter towards the toe so they might be a degree or so too flat for me, particularly the long irons.  I'm just a little bit off center, but by no means clanking them off the toe so I shouldn't be penalized too much with these. Thin shots (my miss)....not so good results...

I disagree.  I'd say that you are being penalized the right amount.

The sweetspot on the MP-64s are similar to that of a blade iron.  Slightly towards the HEEL of the club.  So if you were making contact in the geometric center, you'd be slightly off-center...and missing even more towards the toe is going to cost you quite a bit of distance with these clubs.

I have a set that I've been recently conducting a little "shoot-out" with a set of S56s to see who goes in the bag (the 64s won), and that was the biggest difference between the two clubs.  From the center of the club, towards the heel...the MP-64s were more accurate than the S56s, and just as forgiving. But miss a shot out towards the toe, and you are going to lose 5-10 yds on shots that the S56s will let you get away with.

Despite this, the 64s won out, because (unlike the S56s) mis-hits with them (and the Project X shafts) just don't stray that far off line.   The just fall short of where you've aimed....and shots that fall short leave me more opportunities to recover than shots that miss left and right.

So I think you're right about the lies being too flat, if you are consistently missing in that spot.  Get them checked and set properly (I've NEVER had a set of forged irons delivered to me on-spec....my 64s came to me flat, despite being ordered 1* upright), before you make any long-term decisions.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:32 PM

View Postkellygreen, on 13 December 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

View PostSHORTBUTSTR8, on 12 December 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

View PostGbyeball, on 12 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

View PostSHORTBUTSTR8, on 12 December 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

How much distance are you going to lose in 45 degree weather vs summer?

I lose at least one full club, more times than not 1-1/2 to 2clubs. It is not only the temp. but the extra clothes I have to wear. That can screw up my swing so that I am not only slowing down but making bad contact as well. Do not base the clubs performance in these condition.

Problem is I have been clubbing up one and still short.  I noticed today while cleaning them though that the ball marks are maybe 1/4" ball diameter towards the toe so they might be a degree or so too flat for me, particularly the long irons.  I'm just a little bit off center, but by no means clanking them off the toe so I shouldn't be penalized too much with these. Thin shots (my miss)....not so good results...

I disagree.  I'd say that you are being penalized the right amount.

The sweetspot on the MP-64s are similar to that of a blade iron.  Slightly towards the HEEL of the club.  So if you were making contact in the geometric center, you'd be slightly off-center...and missing even more towards the toe is going to cost you quite a bit of distance with these clubs.

I have a set that I've been recently conducting a little "shoot-out" with a set of S56s to see who goes in the bag (the 64s won), and that was the biggest difference between the two clubs.  From the center of the club, towards the heel...the MP-64s were more accurate than the S56s, and just as forgiving. But miss a shot out towards the toe, and you are going to lose 5-10 yds on shots that the S56s will let you get away with.

Despite this, the 64s won out, because (unlike the S56s) mis-hits with them (and the Project X shafts) just don't stray that far off line.   The just fall short of where you've aimed....and shots that fall short leave me more opportunities to recover than shots that miss left and right.

So I think you're right about the lies being too flat, if you are consistently missing in that spot.  Get them checked and set properly (I've NEVER had a set of forged irons delivered to me on-spec....my 64s came to me flat, despite being ordered 1* upright), before you make any long-term decisions.

just a note about getting the specs you order....i just received my H4 and 64s and ordered D3 swingweight and +1/2" and 2* upright. went to the golf store and had everything verified. everything was spot on. swingweight was within D2.5-D3. The clubfitter mentioned that mizuno has the best reputation of sending the specs you order as compared to other manufactures who aren't nearly as exact.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

View Postpugs, on 12 December 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

If you love them and hit them well but you are continuosly short, it's not rocket science, take more club.

NO HE NEEDS AN ENTIRE NEW SET OF IRONS TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:50 PM

View PostHoosierMizuno, on 13 December 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

just a note about getting the specs you order....i just received my H4 and 64s and ordered D3 swingweight and +1/2" and 2* upright. went to the golf store and had everything verified. everything was spot on. swingweight was within D2.5-D3. The clubfitter mentioned that mizuno has the best reputation of sending the specs you order as compared to other manufactures who aren't nearly as exact.

Not saying that it can't be done...I've just never been that fortunate.   Lofts and lies are always a bit off.

Probably due to getting knocked around during shipping, more than anything else.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:19 PM

All this back and forth talk on these two irons have m confused as I was going to go test both these irons out and the mp 59's at a Mizuno event tonight! Might just pull the trigger on the mp 59's! I just heard as golf wrx editors choice said 5/5 Land-O-Lakes rating as if nothing could touch them  but hey everyone is different and different swing will yield different results!

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

View PostFlykixz23, on 13 December 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

All this back and forth talk on these two irons have m confused as I was going to go test both these irons out and the mp 59's at a Mizuno event tonight! Might just pull the trigger on the mp 59's! I just heard as golf wrx editors choice said 5/5 Land-O-Lakes rating as if nothing could touch them  but hey everyone is different and different swing will yield different results!

Try the 64s.  They are a great iron....and in my opinion they feel much better than the 59s, and there really isn't much difference between the two in terms of forgiveness.

The only "weakness" that I've seen is that they do not forgive mis-hits off the toe like the S56 or the 712 Ap2 will.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:41 PM

View Postkellygreen, on 13 December 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

I disagree. I'd say that you are being penalized the right amount. The sweetspot on the MP-64s are similar to that of a blade iron. Slightly towards the HEEL of the club. So if you were making contact in the geometric center, you'd be slightly off-center...and missing even more towards the toe is going to cost you quite a bit of distance with these clubs...the 64s won out, because (unlike the S56s) mis-hits with them (and the Project X shafts) just don't stray that far off line. The just fall short of where you've aimed....and shots that fall short leave me more opportunities to recover than shots that miss left and right.

I agree with this.  Did a little range work last night and took a white board dry erase marker as was suggested in another thread.  Using the diamond weight area as the reference, I put a mark about the size of a nickel centered at the horizontal center and about 2/3 up the diamond from the sole.  It was just a skosh inside of visual center at address.  I found anything that left even a single dimple on the spot was fine, misses to the outside lost line and distance, and misses to the inside just lost distance.

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