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[kvnhlstd]

I'm off on Friday the 28th??? Maybe a little short notice get together????

[Rohlio]

kvnhlstd, on 18 December 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

I'm off on Friday the 28th??? Maybe a little short notice get together????

Would love to have you but he is leaving on Wednesday the 26th I believe.

[One_Putt_Blunder]

kvnhlstd, on 18 December 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

I'm off on Friday the 28th??? Maybe a little short notice get together????

Would be awesome but sadly I am back on IR

[Gongshowguy16]

I can play Saturday 22nd through Tuesday 25th (played Kokopelli by myself on Christmas last year and it was decently busy). East to West Coast flights kill a lot if time.

[Rohlio]

Gongshowguy16, on 19 December 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

I can play Saturday 22nd through Tuesday 25th (played Kokopelli by myself on Christmas last year and it was decently busy). East to West Coast flights kill a lot if time.

Sorry man. You picked a 4 day window I just can't do with family/friend obligations. Have a great time and I will hopefully catch you next time.

[kvnhlstd]

Rohlio, on 19 December 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

Gongshowguy16, on 19 December 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

I can play Saturday 22nd through Tuesday 25th (played Kokopelli by myself on Christmas last year and it was decently busy). East to West Coast flights kill a lot if time.

Sorry man. You picked a 4 day window I just can't do with family/friend obligations. Have a great time and I will hopefully catch you next time.

Same here.... I am out this weekend. Family first.

[fore_life]

I'll be out of town too

[Gongshowguy16]

Had some delays and ended up getting in this evening. Looking at GolfNow and EZLinks....possible options that are close and not too pricey look like Las Sendas, Longbow, and maybe Whirlwind again, but Devil's Claw since I already played CatTail.

[fore_life]

Southern dunes?

I'd play longbow out of the ones you mentioned

[Gongshowguy16]

Southern Dunes looks nice. $69 with plenty of tee times available. I'll most likely get 2-3 rounds in, so I'm thinking something like Southern Dunes, Las Senda's/Longbow, and possibly Superstition Springs (heard its a nice track).

[fore_life]

Superstition mountain, not springs

[Gongshowguy16]

They have both Springs and Mountain. http://www.superstit...1208&page=73049

[fore_life]

Yeah, mountain is the better of the two.

[Gongshowguy16]

Just a quick review of my long week in Az (stuck here because of weather back east):

1. Superstition Springs- Ok course, not impressed. Played with my moms co-worker who is a teaching pro for Tour Players. He is a +1 and said he plays quite a few tourneys there. Grass seems dead, wasnt really my style of course. I went 46-45= 91 from The Tips (7,005). First round with my new MP-64's...I left quite a few out there to say the least.

2. Talking Stick- North- Very impressed with the course layout and condition. So far, Troon has been very good. Wide open fairways that 20 yard slices can't miss. I was stuck with retirees that would have scored better kicking the ball down the course. I went 40-47= 87 from the Gold tees (6,510). I missed 3-4 birdie putts on the round and my driver fell apart on the back 9 resulting in the +12 back 9. Greens seemed abnormally hard. Never found a ball mark, wedges made the slighest dent. Every green, no matter what club, seemed to roll another 10-15 yards. I was 147 out and clubbed down to a PW to accomodate the additional roll, ended up 10 yards past...a 160 yard PW? Not an easy way to stop pitches/chips if you weren't putting.

3. Southern Dunes- Second Hardest course I have ever played (behind Muirfield Village) and it comes in second place behind Muirfield for most bunkers on a course at 109. I went 48-42=90 from the Gold Tees (6,889). I need another run at this track. I lost quite a few strokes to not knowing just how close the fairway bunkers really were and the fescue just eats up golf balls. This tee time was 8:40am and had an hour frost delay. I was paired, again, with a husband and wife that were really nice, but had no right to be kicking a golf ball around this course.

This may be a topic for another forum, but being a single golfer, I am quite frustrated with how courses manage a golfing experience. I carry an 11 index...I understand it can be difficult to match up players based on skill, but spending $100 for a round, I want a golfing experience. I want to play with someone who can challenge me and make me a better player. Both Troon courses I was stuck with players who probably scored no less than 120 and hit every shot. I would be hitting GIR's and waiting 5 min at the green for the others to catch up...I could've complained and tried to get a free round, but I guess its the risk you take being a single golfer for the day.

Edited by Gongshowguy16, 27 December 2012 - 02:30 AM.

[Clueless]

Gongshowguy16, on 27 December 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Just a quick review of my long week in Az (stuck here because of weather back east):

1. Superstition Springs- Ok course, not impressed. Played with my moms co-worker who is a teaching pro for Tour Players. He is a +1 and said he plays quite a few tourneys there. Grass seems dead, wasnt really my style of course. I went 46-45= 91 from The Tips (7,005). First round with my new MP-64's...I left quite a few out there to say the least.

2. Talking Stick- North- Very impressed with the course layout and condition. So far, Troon has been very good. Wide open fairways that 20 yard slices can't miss. I was stuck with retirees that would have scored better kicking the ball down the course. I went 40-47= 87 from the Gold tees (6,510). I missed 3-4 birdie putts on the round and my driver fell apart on the back 9 resulting in the +12 back 9. Greens seemed abnormally hard. Never found a ball mark, wedges made the slighest dent. Every green, no matter what club, seemed to roll another 10-15 yards. I was 147 out and clubbed down to a PW to accomodate the additional roll, ended up 10 yards past...a 160 yard PW? Not an easy way to stop pitches/chips if you weren't putting.

3. Southern Dunes- Second Hardest course I have ever played (behind Muirfield Village) and it comes in second place behind Muirfield for most bunkers on a course at 109. I went 48-42=90 from the Gold Tees (6,889). I need another run at this track. I lost quite a few strokes to not knowing just how close the fairway bunkers really were and the fescue just eats up golf balls. This tee time was 8:40am and had an hour frost delay. I was paired, again, with a husband and wife that were really nice, but had no right to be kicking a golf ball around this course.

This may be a topic for another forum, but being a single golfer, I am quite frustrated with how courses manage a golfing experience. I carry an 11 index...I understand it can be difficult to match up players based on skill, but spending $100 for a round, I want a golfing experience. I want to play with someone who can challenge me and make me a better player. Both Troon courses I was stuck with players who probably scored no less than 120 and hit every shot. I would be hitting GIR's and waiting 5 min at the green for the others to catch up...I could've complained and tried to get a free round, but I guess its the risk you take being a single golfer for the day.

How in the heck would a course book tee times by skill level ?  Is it really up to the course to manage "your" golf experience?  I am perplexed by your post to say the least.  I find it hard to beleive that a course would comp a free round due to you complaining about your playing partners "skill level" .  That's like complaining about slow play.... it will get you nothing.  $100 for a round of golf on a resort course is the norm, not the exception, in "any" part of the country.  Sorry... your post struck a nerve.  Oh, by the way, an 11 capper should not be playing from the tees you play from.  Move up a tee and enjoy the game more.

[Gongshowguy16]

C

Clueless, on 28 December 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

Gongshowguy16, on 27 December 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Just a quick review of my long week in Az (stuck here because of weather back east):

1. Superstition Springs- Ok course, not impressed. Played with my moms co-worker who is a teaching pro for Tour Players. He is a +1 and said he plays quite a few tourneys there. Grass seems dead, wasnt really my style of course. I went 46-45= 91 from The Tips (7,005). First round with my new MP-64's...I left quite a few out there to say the least.

2. Talking Stick- North- Very impressed with the course layout and condition. So far, Troon has been very good. Wide open fairways that 20 yard slices can't miss. I was stuck with retirees that would have scored better kicking the ball down the course. I went 40-47= 87 from the Gold tees (6,510). I missed 3-4 birdie putts on the round and my driver fell apart on the back 9 resulting in the +12 back 9. Greens seemed abnormally hard. Never found a ball mark, wedges made the slighest dent. Every green, no matter what club, seemed to roll another 10-15 yards. I was 147 out and clubbed down to a PW to accomodate the additional roll, ended up 10 yards past...a 160 yard PW? Not an easy way to stop pitches/chips if you weren't putting.

3. Southern Dunes- Second Hardest course I have ever played (behind Muirfield Village) and it comes in second place behind Muirfield for most bunkers on a course at 109. I went 48-42=90 from the Gold Tees (6,889). I need another run at this track. I lost quite a few strokes to not knowing just how close the fairway bunkers really were and the fescue just eats up golf balls. This tee time was 8:40am and had an hour frost delay. I was paired, again, with a husband and wife that were really nice, but had no right to be kicking a golf ball around this course.

This may be a topic for another forum, but being a single golfer, I am quite frustrated with how courses manage a golfing experience. I carry an 11 index...I understand it can be difficult to match up players based on skill, but spending $100 for a round, I want a golfing experience. I want to play with someone who can challenge me and make me a better player. Both Troon courses I was stuck with players who probably scored no less than 120 and hit every shot. I would be hitting GIR's and waiting 5 min at the green for the others to catch up...I could've complained and tried to get a free round, but I guess its the risk you take being a single golfer for the day.

How in the heck would a course book tee times by skill level ?  Is it really up to the course to manage "your" golf experience?  I am perplexed by your post to say the least.  I find it hard to beleive that a course would comp a free round due to you complaining about your playing partners "skill level" .  That's like complaining about slow play.... it will get you nothing.  $100 for a round of golf on a resort course is the norm, not the exception, in "any" part of the country.  Sorry... your post struck a nerve.  Oh, by the way, an 11 capper should not be playing from the tees you play from.  Move up a tee and enjoy the game more.

Clueless...sounds about right.

I could've complained and probably gotten something out of it, but I didn't because I understand the difficulty in matching skill level. But a course like Southern Dunes...anyone who is there to just hack around should not be there...period. I was there to play golf...not watch golf balls kill worms as they wiz across fairways and bunkers.

Don't tell me because I am an 11 index that I should be playing from a shorter set of tee's. Should Mizuno tell me to return my MP-64's because they recommend only +2 through 10 handicaps use their clubs? You know nothing about my game or style of play, so don't make a comment like that. I'd be more than happy to meet up and play a money game with you if you feel that way. Let me know where and when. I read your comment today in the middle of shooting an 84 from 6,600 yds...wait,  is that too long for me? or should I have played from 6,300?

[fore_life]

Gong I kinda get what you're saying, it makes me wonder why players who can't break 100 would wantto play ata place like southern dunes, it can't be fun getting beat down by a course like that. I really don't think they used to attract that type of player until they were bought and tied in with a local casino.

Funny thing is that I usually play the tips out there, but have played from the forward tees and find it harder from the forward tees as a lot of the bunkers from the tips that aren't really in play become right in the line of fire from one up.

[Clueless]

Gongshowguy16, on 28 December 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

C

Clueless, on 28 December 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

Gongshowguy16, on 27 December 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Just a quick review of my long week in Az (stuck here because of weather back east):

1. Superstition Springs- Ok course, not impressed. Played with my moms co-worker who is a teaching pro for Tour Players. He is a +1 and said he plays quite a few tourneys there. Grass seems dead, wasnt really my style of course. I went 46-45= 91 from The Tips (7,005). First round with my new MP-64's...I left quite a few out there to say the least.

2. Talking Stick- North- Very impressed with the course layout and condition. So far, Troon has been very good. Wide open fairways that 20 yard slices can't miss. I was stuck with retirees that would have scored better kicking the ball down the course. I went 40-47= 87 from the Gold tees (6,510). I missed 3-4 birdie putts on the round and my driver fell apart on the back 9 resulting in the +12 back 9. Greens seemed abnormally hard. Never found a ball mark, wedges made the slighest dent. Every green, no matter what club, seemed to roll another 10-15 yards. I was 147 out and clubbed down to a PW to accomodate the additional roll, ended up 10 yards past...a 160 yard PW? Not an easy way to stop pitches/chips if you weren't putting.

3. Southern Dunes- Second Hardest course I have ever played (behind Muirfield Village) and it comes in second place behind Muirfield for most bunkers on a course at 109. I went 48-42=90 from the Gold Tees (6,889). I need another run at this track. I lost quite a few strokes to not knowing just how close the fairway bunkers really were and the fescue just eats up golf balls. This tee time was 8:40am and had an hour frost delay. I was paired, again, with a husband and wife that were really nice, but had no right to be kicking a golf ball around this course.

This may be a topic for another forum, but being a single golfer, I am quite frustrated with how courses manage a golfing experience. I carry an 11 index...I understand it can be difficult to match up players based on skill, but spending $100 for a round, I want a golfing experience. I want to play with someone who can challenge me and make me a better player. Both Troon courses I was stuck with players who probably scored no less than 120 and hit every shot. I would be hitting GIR's and waiting 5 min at the green for the others to catch up...I could've complained and tried to get a free round, but I guess its the risk you take being a single golfer for the day.

How in the heck would a course book tee times by skill level ?  Is it really up to the course to manage "your" golf experience?  I am perplexed by your post to say the least.  I find it hard to beleive that a course would comp a free round due to you complaining about your playing partners "skill level" .  That's like complaining about slow play.... it will get you nothing.  $100 for a round of golf on a resort course is the norm, not the exception, in "any" part of the country.  Sorry... your post struck a nerve.  Oh, by the way, an 11 capper should not be playing from the tees you play from.  Move up a tee and enjoy the game more.

Clueless...sounds about right.

I could've complained and probably gotten something out of it, but I didn't because I understand the difficulty in matching skill level. But a course like Southern Dunes...anyone who is there to just hack around should not be there...period. I was there to play golf...not watch golf balls kill worms as they wiz across fairways and bunkers.

Don't tell me because I am an 11 index that I should be playing from a shorter set of tee's. Should Mizuno tell me to return my MP-64's because they recommend only +2 through 10 handicaps use their clubs? You know nothing about my game or style of play, so don't make a comment like that. I'd be more than happy to meet up and play a money game with you if you feel that way. Let me know where and when. I read your comment today in the middle of shooting an 84 from 6,600 yds...wait,  is that too long for me? or should I have played from 6,300?

Rating/Slope should come into play when selecting a tee box.  Slope is the true barometer in course difficulty.  In my opinion if golfers selected the proper tee box for the course they were playing based on Rating/Slope it would go along ways in speeding up play.  It would also bring more golfers to the game and let them enjoy it more.  Too often ego is involved, or they want to play the same tees as their buddys, etc.  That's why the "Tee it Forward" campaign is being pushed by the industry so much... to re-educate golfers.  An 11 capper should not be playing over a 125 slope in my opinion.  Drop down a box and you will soon be a single diget capper and enjoy the game more.  Over time, when your skill level improves, move back to the tips.

[Gongshowguy16]

Clueless, on 29 December 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Rating/Slope should come into play when selecting a tee box.  Slope is the true barometer in course difficulty.  In my opinion if golfers selected the proper tee box for the course they were playing based on Rating/Slope it would go along ways in speeding up play.  It would also bring more golfers to the game and let them enjoy it more.  Too often ego is involved, or they want to play the same tees as their buddys, etc.  That's why the "Tee it Forward" campaign is being pushed by the industry so much... to re-educate golfers.  An 11 capper should not be playing over a 125 slope in my opinion.  Drop down a box and you will soon be a single diget capper and enjoy the game more.  Over time, when your skill level improves, move back to the tips.

So you're assuming that I currently have no fun, need less of a challenge, and be farther up other foursomes asses? Let's increase the diameter of the holes while we are at it.

I will play shorter tee boxes with whoever, but anything less than 6,400 is boring. I would only need to bring 4-5 clubs to the course (I play with my grandfather often). Handicap will work itself out from forward or back tees, saving 3-4 strokes by moving up a tee will equate to roughly the same index when you add in the higher, more difficult slope from the back tees.

[Clueless]

Gongshowguy16, on 29 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Clueless, on 29 December 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Rating/Slope should come into play when selecting a tee box.  Slope is the true barometer in course difficulty.  In my opinion if golfers selected the proper tee box for the course they were playing based on Rating/Slope it would go along ways in speeding up play.  It would also bring more golfers to the game and let them enjoy it more.  Too often ego is involved, or they want to play the same tees as their buddys, etc.  That's why the "Tee it Forward" campaign is being pushed by the industry so much... to re-educate golfers.  An 11 capper should not be playing over a 125 slope in my opinion.  Drop down a box and you will soon be a single diget capper and enjoy the game more.  Over time, when your skill level improves, move back to the tips.

So you're assuming that I currently have no fun, need less of a challenge, and be farther up other foursomes asses? Let's increase the diameter of the holes while we are at it.

I will play shorter tee boxes with whoever, but anything less than 6,400 is boring. I would only need to bring 4-5 clubs to the course (I play with my grandfather often). Handicap will work itself out from forward or back tees, saving 3-4 strokes by moving up a tee will equate to roughly the same index when you add in the higher, more difficult slope from the back tees.

Sorry you missed my point.

Cheers!

[kgoings]

A little late on this topic haha. But I think the Troon Card can save you a lot of money if you golf a lot. The replay rounds $20 (used to be $10) is awesome. I played Troon North three times last year and played 36 all three times. Also the two for ones at each course is awesome. Combine a two for one and a $20 replay and you just saved a lot of money.

I would suggest buying the Troon Card on the early bird special. The rates on the cheaper courses are not world beaters, but on Boulders, Troon North, and a couple others the rates are great.

[natural_one]

^funny, a couple of fellow members at my country club and I were running the numbers on the published rates with the early bird Troon Card.  

We hypothetically played 5 rounds per month and did replays 3 of the 5days.  We rotated in Troon, Boulders, Talking Stick, We-Ko-Pa, and one other random pick per month.  While seasonality came into play, and we "sat out" for overseed, we were basically $100/mo cheaper than our local dues at our club.  Granted, this did not include what we currently have at our club, which is pool/tennis/workout/driving range, but it was pretty revealing to say the least.  

I will say that this was after we had just played and were completely upset with the lack of care the course had seen the previous week (bunkers, horrific duck/coot/goose problem, lacking service, etc.)  We fantasized about playing top tier Troon courses as opposed to our track.  Will we really do it? Probably not as we all live so close to our country club, but you're dead with it being a great deal if you play a lot and want resort style service and varying courses that are typically in great shape.



EDIT...

Ooooh my goodness.
I just read the little squabble above and in the midst of hilariously laughing, I wanted to ask Gong: if I pretty much completely agree with clueless could get in on this money game?

With that said, I find it sad that you feel a husband and wife had no right to be on Southern Dunes simply due to their skill level.  ANYONE has the right to be on any course if they abide by the rules, have respect for the course and players, and stay on pace.  Get over yourself.

Edited by natural_one, 14 January 2013 - 06:46 PM.

[Myrtlebeach2K10]

natural_one, on 14 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

^funny, a couple of fellow members at my country club and I were running the numbers on the published rates with the early bird Troon Card.  

We hypothetically played 5 rounds per month and did replays 3 of the 5days.  We rotated in Troon, Boulders, Talking Stick, We-Ko-Pa, and one other random pick per month.  While seasonality came into play, and we "sat out" for overseed, we were basically $100/mo cheaper than our local dues at our club.  Granted, this did not include what we currently have at our club, which is pool/tennis/workout/driving range, but it was pretty revealing to say the least.  

I will say that this was after we had just played and were completely upset with the lack of care the course had seen the previous week (bunkers, horrific duck/coot/goose problem, lacking service, etc.)  We fantasized about playing top tier Troon courses as opposed to our track.  Will we really do it? Probably not as we all live so close to our country club, but you're dead with it being a great deal if you play a lot and want resort style service and varying courses that are typically in great shape.

thats really cool. if i could ask name of your CC, and how much are your monthly dues?? if you don't want to say thats understanable. Thanx for awesome info!!

[natural_one]

Myrtlebeach2K10, on 14 January 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

thats really cool. if i could ask name of your CC, and how much are your monthly dues?? if you don't want to say thats understanable. Thanx for awesome info!!

I PM'd you... but Id rather not say publicly.

[Myrtlebeach2K10]

natural_one, on 14 January 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Myrtlebeach2K10, on 14 January 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

thats really cool. if i could ask name of your CC, and how much are your monthly dues?? if you don't want to say thats understanable. Thanx for awesome info!!

I PM'd you... but Id rather not say publicly.

thankyou. So far the golfers of Phoenix seem like a real friendly bunch..

[kgoings]

natural_one, on 14 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

^funny, a couple of fellow members at my country club and I were running the numbers on the published rates with the early bird Troon Card.  

We hypothetically played 5 rounds per month and did replays 3 of the 5days.  We rotated in Troon, Boulders, Talking Stick, We-Ko-Pa, and one other random pick per month.  While seasonality came into play, and we "sat out" for overseed, we were basically $100/mo cheaper than our local dues at our club.  Granted, this did not include what we currently have at our club, which is pool/tennis/workout/driving range, but it was pretty revealing to say the least.  

I will say that this was after we had just played and were completely upset with the lack of care the course had seen the previous week (bunkers, horrific duck/coot/goose problem, lacking service, etc.)  We fantasized about playing top tier Troon courses as opposed to our track.  Will we really do it? Probably not as we all live so close to our country club, but you're dead with it being a great deal if you play a lot and want resort style service and varying courses that are typically in great shape.



EDIT...

Ooooh my goodness.
I just read the little squabble above and in the midst of hilariously laughing, I wanted to ask Gong: if I pretty much completely agree with clueless could get in on this money game?

With that said, I find it sad that you feel a husband and wife had no right to be on Southern Dunes simply due to their skill level.  ANYONE has the right to be on any course if they abide by the rules, have respect for the course and players, and stay on pace.  Get over yourself.

Just remember to add a free two for one at EACH course. And with Troon rewards, for every $500 you spend playing, you get a free round. I ran into some financial troubles late this year, so I didnt renew. But next year during the early bird I am gonna jump back on board.

[One_Putt_Blunder]

IMO the best discount card you can get here is the Wekopass for Wekopa. Rounds range from 33 to 90 bucks every 7th round is free. 2 of the best courses in the state. Card is only 100 bucks if you buy it early and discounts are good for you and 3 other players at a time

Edited by One_Putt_Blunder, 21 January 2013 - 12:19 AM.