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Odyssey Arm Lock putters: In-hand photos and story (p. 3)

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#1 asualum

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:56 PM

Look like Odyssey  Golf already has a way around the R&A and USGA - arm lock putters!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

Here's part of the press release:

Odyssey®, the #1 Putter in Golf®, today announced the upcoming release of the new Metal-X™ Arm Lock Putters. Just days after the sports’ ruling bodies - the USGA and the R&A - proposed a ban on the anchoring method of putting, Odyssey introduces a product line that both conforms to the anticipated ruling and offers an alternative method of stabilizing the putter through a natural-feeling extension of the golfer’s arm.

Odyssey’s pledge to gofers has always been to push convention while respecting tradition in a quest to help them sink more putts. The Metal–X Arm Lock Putters stem from extensive exploration into the different ways Tour professionals interact with the putter.

“We have been working toward solutions for the proposed ban on the anchoring technique for some time now, and working with our Tour players, have identified an alternative and Tour-proven putting method,” said Chris Koske, Global Director, Odyssey Golf. “We’re now moving quickly to deliver the Arm Lock products that promote a stable and consistent putting stroke for both Professionals and amateur golfers.”

The Odyssey Metal-X Arm Lock Putter will be available initially in two models, the Metal-X #7 and the Metal-X DART. The specs of these two putters have been optimized through research and testing, and allow golfers to extend the shaft and grip up their lead forearm for consistent performance and control through the stroke.

“At Odyssey we were adamant about offering alternative solutions to golfers whomight change their current technique based on the recent anchoring proposal,” said Austie Rollinson, Principal Designer, Odyssey Golf. “We have more Tour players around the world playing and winning withOdyssey putters than any other company; we worked closely with many of them to dial in the new Arm Lock Putters to ensure they perform at the highest level.”

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:01 PM

Smart move, if arm locking catches on.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:06 PM

I don't see how this still wouldn't be considered "anchoring".  If its legal, I'll do it just to spite the USGA.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

This is Matt Kuchar's method


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:09 PM

Am I missing something? Isn't that how Matt Kuchar putts? What exactly is new in this putter line?

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:09 PM

View PostCwebb, on 30 November 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

This is Matt Kuchar's method

Like Duh!...... Langer before him....etc, etc.
Guess the putter is better designed for this method now...ok...great.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:10 PM

View PostJ-Tizzle, on 30 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

I don't see how this still wouldn't be considered "anchoring".  If its legal, I'll do it just to spite the USGA.

Amazingly, it is legal. Couldn't believe it when I looked at the USGA graphic.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:12 PM

They had to move fast if they were going to beat TM's marketing team!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:15 PM

The R&D to create this radically new putter must have cost Odyssey a fortune

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

Interesting...

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

Good for Odyssey - - first to the market with an alternative method!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:18 PM

View Postbrentk14, on 30 November 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

Am I missing something? Isn't that how Matt Kuchar putts? What exactly is new in this putter line?

How many weekend warriors know about this method or that Kuchar uses it? Probably a few. So they are creating and marketing a putter for it to gain awareness. At least that's my take on it.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:19 PM

I can see how it went down......

Hey Bob, you know about that warehouse full of belly putters we got?  

Yeah Bill, we're screwed.

Don't worry about it man, just change the bend in the shaft and they'll be able to anchor against their arm.  We told Mike Davies that if they inexplicably allow anchoring to the arm we won't sue them into the ground over this change.

Sweet!!!!  We'll have it out as fast as the marketing team can snap a picture

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:40 PM

Nobody likes putting anyways, who cares? We all know that every tournament is scripted, just like wrestling and work-out videos. Go ahead and ban what you like USGA, it will be fun to watch certain pro's make two less putts a tournament and still lose because they can't "cheat" anymore.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:41 PM

View Postasualum, on 30 November 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

View PostJ-Tizzle, on 30 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

I don't see how this still wouldn't be considered "anchoring".  If its legal, I'll do it just to spite the USGA.

Amazingly, it is legal. Couldn't believe it when I looked at the USGA graphic.

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I was under the impression this method is allowed because the butt end of the shaft follows the movement of the stroke. In anchored methods the butt end does not move and the putter is essentially a pendulum
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:45 PM

Bobby Grace has had this method on his site for a couple of years now.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:50 PM

How is that not considered anchoring?  This new rule makes no sense.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:53 PM

this is a good move by Odyssey
the problem with this style, is that a long putter has too little loft, to accomodate for the forward press against your arm
jack the loft up on it and it works

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:53 PM

View Postjay-lo89, on 30 November 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

How is that not considered anchoring?  This new rule makes no sense.

You are not anchoring into a point on the body that does not move during the stroke. The arm and the putter move and therefore I would assume that is why they don't consider it "anchored"

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:54 PM

View Postmickeytbones, on 30 November 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Bobby Grace has had this method on his site for a couple of years now.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:59 PM

View PostBirdieBob, on 30 November 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

View PostCwebb, on 30 November 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

This is Matt Kuchar's method

Like Duh!...... Langer before him....etc, etc.
Guess the putter is better designed for this method now...ok...great.

I believe Langer used it with left hand low....and then his right hand holding the grip against his left forearm

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:00 PM

View Postfreddyottawa, on 30 November 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

View Postjay-lo89, on 30 November 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

How is that not considered anchoring?  This new rule makes no sense.

You are not anchoring into a point on the body that does not move during the stroke. The arm and the putter move and therefore I would assume that is why they don't consider it "anchored"

Correct...and by anchored they are really referring to the butt end attached to a NON MOVING part of the body.  It is legal as long as it is a 'free swinging' motion.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:09 PM

View PostJ-Tizzle, on 30 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

I don't see how this still wouldn't be considered "anchoring".  If its legal, I'll do it just to spite the USGA.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

View PostCwebb, on 30 November 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

View PostBirdieBob, on 30 November 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

View PostCwebb, on 30 November 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

This is Matt Kuchar's method

Like Duh!...... Langer before him....etc, etc.
Guess the putter is better designed for this method now...ok...great.

I believe Langer used it with left hand low....and then his right hand holding the grip against his left forearm


Exactly, using the left forearm has been used before with putters.........nothing new here.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:24 PM

hmmmmm..... I'm getting an idea!
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:29 PM

Looks like the shaft has a ton of offset, no?

I guess that's to account for the putter grip being placed against the forward arm?

Looks interesting, I could see it being popular... especially with some guys who are trying to get away from the belly putter.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

I have tried this method out for practice purposes and it seems to work very well. I like the thought of just taking the back of the lead hand straight to the target.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

Really not that hard to convert a putter to this style of putting.  Loft needs to increase (7-8*) and then finding the right lenght and balance point for the player who is going to use it.

Have done a few of these for folks since Kuch started it.

Would think this will be the way for those who prefer "long/belly" putters to go because of this "insane" ruling.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:11 PM

View Postram01002, on 30 November 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Good for Odyssey - - first to the market with an alternative method!

Well, Cleveland has had the almost belly out for 2 years--so maybe not first.


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