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#1 tgin

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

I believe Tim has stated that if the anchored putter ruling went into affect he would not be able to compete due to his wrists are unable to handle putting conventionally. I looked at a couple of videos on youtube with his golf swing and I'm wondering why. With his swing, he takes the club back with his shoulders and is able to **** his wrists. So I'm confused why he just would not be able to putt with a conventional grip. For some reason the story or reason just doesn't make sense. Any thoughts or insider info?


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:43 PM

Source?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

He's got some rare condition that prevents him from being able to rotate his forearms, I believe he can't make his palms face the sky.  I'm not sure exactly how that factors into his putting, but I doubt he's faking.

Edited by highergr0und, 28 November 2012 - 04:45 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:49 PM

View Posthighergr0und, on 28 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

He's got some rare condition that prevents him from being able to rotate his forearms, I believe he can't make his palms face the sky.  I'm not sure exactly how that factors into his putting, but I doubt he's faking.
That was the same thing I read but I believe most golfers who putt conventionally do not rotate their forearms. When I saw videos of his golf swing, I was confused with the inability to putt.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

I understand his condition BUT I don't understand how he can hold a club and not a putter?
Why can he swing a driver around his body at 105 mph and not be able to move a putter a few inches left to right?
OR, he can still use his long putter. He just can't press it against his body.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:23 PM

I guess that's the end of Clark's quest for #1 world rank.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

View Postrafal, on 28 November 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

I guess that's the end of Clark's quest for #1 world rank.

Almost made it.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

I haven't really looked at his swing too much, but it might have more to do with fatigue than anything else.....  and in playing around, if I've got a strong left hand and neutral or weak right hand, my forearms are both turned down.  If I take a conventional putter grip, they both rotate open to some degree

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:52 PM

Excuses excuses.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:07 PM

Sounds like a lame excuse to me.  If he can swing a club that can compete on the tour then he can hold a
putter.  I've seen good putters who have only one arm putt outstandingly.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:57 AM

Wait a minute, we don't have any reliable source that Clark has said this.

BTW I believe Tim said Luke Donald is the real world No. 1 :busted_cop:

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:36 AM

it was making a mammoth putt at the memorial (jack's tournament) that did clark in. obvious cheat. :busted_cop:

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:53 AM

Okay fellas, I know you all love to jump your high horses and your gilded pedestals and rip golfers as being excuse filled whiners, but this has been know for YEARS.  

He didn't all of the sudden "develop" this condition when the proposed change came about.  He's had it his whole career, and if you nincompoops are just now finding it out, then it's your own damned fault.

most of you don't even know what the condition is but your going to chastise a guy for it anyways, and for something he was born with...due to your pure ignorance.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:59 AM

This is from 2005 discussing his major wrist surgery in 2001 and follow up surgery in 2004.  I do not know the current status or why the genetic condition makes putting conventionally difficult for him.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:04 AM

Another side note...

The condition that makes it difficult for him to grip a putter is the same condition that prevents his wrists/arms from rotating out of plane.  So it's a curse and a blessing.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:35 AM

View PostSheriffBooth, on 29 November 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

This is from 2005 discussing his major wrist surgery in 2001 and follow up surgery in 2004.  I do not know the current status or why the genetic condition makes putting conventionally difficult for him.

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The putting grip that he would have been taught back then was the reverse overlap.  That grip requires you to rotate your left hand to the left so that the palm is more up.  That is what would have been difficult for him.  There are other grips taught now and he can choose if he wishes, but it will be learning to putt all over again and learning something new at that level can be fatal.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:59 AM

Why cant he grip it like the other 13 clubs in his bag, if he can make contact with the ball then he can putt this way. Figure out if it makes you push or pull each putt and then lineup accordingly. I know several good putters back home that do not have good strokes, but the know they cut their putts and they lineup for it and make putts. I just do not understand how he can not putt this way, is he going to miss the ball or something? Not trying to be insensitive to his condition, I just do not understand it.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:12 AM

Doesn't matter what his condition is. His stroke couldn't be as bad as Billy Mayfair's.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:14 AM

View Postragweed10, on 29 November 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Why cant he grip it like the other 13 clubs in his bag, if he can make contact with the ball then he can putt this way. Figure out if it makes you push or pull each putt and then lineup accordingly. I know several good putters back home that do not have good strokes, but the know they cut their putts and they lineup for it and make putts. I just do not understand how he can not putt this way, is he going to miss the ball or something? Not trying to be insensitive to his condition, I just do not understand it.

I think he'll figure it out.  Maybe he can get a certain putter grip passed through the list, or something.

It's the left hand that will be the problem for him.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:31 AM

View Postragweed10, on 29 November 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Why cant he grip it like the other 13 clubs in his bag, if he can make contact with the ball then he can putt this way. Figure out if it makes you push or pull each putt and then lineup accordingly. I know several good putters back home that do not have good strokes, but the know they cut their putts and they lineup for it and make putts. I just do not understand how he can not putt this way, is he going to miss the ball or something? Not trying to be insensitive to his condition, I just do not understand it.
Do you grip your putter with the same grip as the rest of your clubs?  Didn't think so.  Very few good putters will do that.  Tiger was one of the few that used it and was good (not so good any more).

There is a difference between putting at your level (just hitting the ball) and being a Tour Level putter.  One goes home and has the weekends off and the other make a living at it.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:57 AM

But if it were Casey Martin...

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:12 PM

View PostSocrates, on 29 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View Postragweed10, on 29 November 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Why cant he grip it like the other 13 clubs in his bag, if he can make contact with the ball then he can putt this way. Figure out if it makes you push or pull each putt and then lineup accordingly. I know several good putters back home that do not have good strokes, but the know they cut their putts and they lineup for it and make putts. I just do not understand how he can not putt this way, is he going to miss the ball or something? Not trying to be insensitive to his condition, I just do not understand it.
Do you grip your putter with the same grip as the rest of your clubs?  Didn't think so.  Very few good putters will do that.  Tiger was one of the few that used it and was good (not so good any more).

There is a difference between putting at your level (just hitting the ball) and being a Tour Level putter.  One goes home and has the weekends off and the other make a living at it.

Tiger woods has never used an interlock-style grip to roll putts.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:18 PM

View Postpiston088, on 29 November 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

View PostSocrates, on 29 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View Postragweed10, on 29 November 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Why cant he grip it like the other 13 clubs in his bag, if he can make contact with the ball then he can putt this way. Figure out if it makes you push or pull each putt and then lineup accordingly. I know several good putters back home that do not have good strokes, but the know they cut their putts and they lineup for it and make putts. I just do not understand how he can not putt this way, is he going to miss the ball or something? Not trying to be insensitive to his condition, I just do not understand it.
Do you grip your putter with the same grip as the rest of your clubs?  Didn't think so.  Very few good putters will do that.  Tiger was one of the few that used it and was good (not so good any more).

There is a difference between putting at your level (just hitting the ball) and being a Tour Level putter.  One goes home and has the weekends off and the other make a living at it.

Tiger woods has never used an interlock-style grip to roll putts.

For a brief period in 2011 if I recall.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:29 PM

View PostSocrates, on 29 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View Postragweed10, on 29 November 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Why cant he grip it like the other 13 clubs in his bag, if he can make contact with the ball then he can putt this way. Figure out if it makes you push or pull each putt and then lineup accordingly. I know several good putters back home that do not have good strokes, but the know they cut their putts and they lineup for it and make putts. I just do not understand how he can not putt this way, is he going to miss the ball or something? Not trying to be insensitive to his condition, I just do not understand it.
Do you grip your putter with the same grip as the rest of your clubs?  Didn't think so.  Very few good putters will do that.  Tiger was one of the few that used it and was good (not so good any more).

There is a difference between putting at your level (just hitting the ball) and being a Tour Level putter.  One goes home and has the weekends off and the other make a living at it.
I dont really get your point here, but if he cant grip a standard putter without some discomfort all Im saying is grip it the way you grip the other 13 clubs in your bag because he doesnt seem to have a problem with that grip. I dont see that he has some sort of need for a medical exemption for him.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

View Posttgin, on 28 November 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

View Posthighergr0und, on 28 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

He's got some rare condition that prevents him from being able to rotate his forearms, I believe he can't make his palms face the sky.  I'm not sure exactly how that factors into his putting, but I doubt he's faking.
That was the same thing I read but I believe most golfers who putt conventionally do not rotate their forearms. When I saw videos of his golf swing, I was confused with the inability to putt.

His saying he can't putt the way he would want to, if he had no physical issue......not that that can't figure out some way to place both of his hands on a putter grip and roll the ball


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

View Postragweed10, on 29 November 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

View PostSocrates, on 29 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View Postragweed10, on 29 November 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Why cant he grip it like the other 13 clubs in his bag, if he can make contact with the ball then he can putt this way. Figure out if it makes you push or pull each putt and then lineup accordingly. I know several good putters back home that do not have good strokes, but the know they cut their putts and they lineup for it and make putts. I just do not understand how he can not putt this way, is he going to miss the ball or something? Not trying to be insensitive to his condition, I just do not understand it.
Do you grip your putter with the same grip as the rest of your clubs?  Didn't think so.  Very few good putters will do that.  Tiger was one of the few that used it and was good (not so good any more).

There is a difference between putting at your level (just hitting the ball) and being a Tour Level putter.  One goes home and has the weekends off and the other make a living at it.
I dont really get your point here, but if he cant grip a standard putter without some discomfort all Im saying is grip it the way you grip the other 13 clubs in your bag because he doesnt seem to have a problem with that grip. I dont see that he has some sort of need for a medical exemption for him.
Okay genius, go try it and then get back to me on how that wedge grip works when you try and sole a 72º putter.  Doesn't work so well does it.  Never said he would need a medical exemption.  I said he would have a real problem finding something that works that will allow him to compete at a Tour level.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:44 PM

View PostbNeill, on 29 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

View Postpiston088, on 29 November 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

View PostSocrates, on 29 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View Postragweed10, on 29 November 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Why cant he grip it like the other 13 clubs in his bag, if he can make contact with the ball then he can putt this way. Figure out if it makes you push or pull each putt and then lineup accordingly. I know several good putters back home that do not have good strokes, but the know they cut their putts and they lineup for it and make putts. I just do not understand how he can not putt this way, is he going to miss the ball or something? Not trying to be insensitive to his condition, I just do not understand it.
Do you grip your putter with the same grip as the rest of your clubs?  Didn't think so.  Very few good putters will do that.  Tiger was one of the few that used it and was good (not so good any more).

There is a difference between putting at your level (just hitting the ball) and being a Tour Level putter.  One goes home and has the weekends off and the other make a living at it.

Tiger woods has never used an interlock-style grip to roll putts.

For a brief period in 2011 if I recall.
There is much more ability in Tiger's putting grip to hinge the hands than in most players incorporating the reverse overlap (left hand is more on top than most).
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:01 PM

Sorry Tim, but no need to switch to the "conventional" method of putting.
You only need to stay with the same long putter method you are using....just move that upper hand off your chest....Presto! Done.

Same for you too Adam S.  Keep that left arm and hand off your body...no anchoring and problem solved.  You can still make a very good putter stroke with that by keeping your left arm bent and stable during the stroke.

For you belly putters, well I must say that the elbows against the body (perfectly legal) will overcome any need to have the end of that putter stuck in your gut.  Just grip higher on the putter (might need to make it shorter and head lighter) and then tuck those elbows against your sides.  Make the stroke the same as before by slightly turning back and forth.....Problem solved!

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:06 PM

View PostBirdieBob, on 29 November 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Sorry Tim, but no need to switch to the "conventional" method of putting.
You only need to stay with the same long putter method you are using....just move that upper hand off your chest....Presto! Done.

Same for you too Adam S.  Keep that left arm and hand off your body...no anchoring and problem solved.  You can still make a very good putter stroke with that by keeping your left arm bent and stable during the stroke.

For you belly putters, well I must say that the elbows against the body (perfectly legal) will overcome any need to have the end of that putter stuck in your gut.  Just grip higher on the putter (might need to make it shorter and head lighter) and then tuck those elbows against your sides.  Make the stroke the same as before by slightly turning back and forth.....Problem solved!

Oh Hum.   :)
Cough..Bull Sh.. cough, cough!!

Just not viable.  Go and try it then get back to us.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:07 PM

View PostSocrates, on 29 November 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

View PostBirdieBob, on 29 November 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Sorry Tim, but no need to switch to the "conventional" method of putting.
You only need to stay with the same long putter method you are using....just move that upper hand off your chest....Presto! Done.

Same for you too Adam S.  Keep that left arm and hand off your body...no anchoring and problem solved.  You can still make a very good putter stroke with that by keeping your left arm bent and stable during the stroke.

For you belly putters, well I must say that the elbows against the body (perfectly legal) will overcome any need to have the end of that putter stuck in your gut.  Just grip higher on the putter (might need to make it shorter and head lighter) and then tuck those elbows against your sides.  Make the stroke the same as before by slightly turning back and forth.....Problem solved!

Oh Hum.   :)
Cough..Bull Sh.. cough, cough!!

Just not viable.  Go and try it then get back to us.


Already have used it many times for the belly replacement stroke.........does wonders!

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Edited by BirdieBob, 29 November 2012 - 05:08 PM.

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