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[scratchswinger]

When TW was not hitting the big ball first, he drove the ball pretty far.

[tigercolt77]

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Tiger has been 15 yards longer then Rory consistently thru 9; not good PR
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Time to load on the VR Limited?  
They both looked rusty today.
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Tiger does not use the Limited. VR Tour's in the bag. He was consistently longer than Rory in their duel in China as well. If you check out stats he has a faster avg swing speed as well; expected that he should be longer when he actually goes after it.
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Tiger's stats for driving will never be "true" stats because he uses 3 and 5 wood a lot when others use the driver.  I have a VR Pro like he uses and felt it was better than anything they put out after it until I hit the Covert Tour.  Maybe Tiger is waiting for an all black version?
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As was just mentioned, Tiger does not use a VR Pro.  He uses the VR Tour that was relesased for the 2010 season.  His driving stats are indeed "true".

[url="http://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/stats/stat.02401.html"]http://www.pgatour.c...stat.02401.html[/url]

These stats appear to be filtered for when he actually hits the driver.
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It was a type o on my part, I meant Vr Tour.  Thanks for the correction, always nice to have a smart@ss around.

[tigercolt77]

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Tiger has been 15 yards longer then Rory consistently thru 9; not good PR
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Time to load on the VR Limited?  
They both looked rusty today.
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Tiger does not use the Limited. VR Tour's in the bag. He was consistently longer than Rory in their duel in China as well. If you check out stats he has a faster avg swing speed as well; expected that he should be longer when he actually goes after it.
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Tiger's stats for driving will never be "true" stats because he uses 3 and 5 wood a lot when others use the driver.  I have a VR Pro like he uses and felt it was better than anything they put out after it until I hit the Covert Tour.  Maybe Tiger is waiting for an all black version?
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As was just mentioned, Tiger does not use a VR Pro.  He uses the VR Tour that was relesased for the 2010 season.  His driving stats are indeed "true".

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These stats appear to be filtered for when he actually hits the driver.
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It was a type o on my part, I meant Vr Tour.  Thanks for the correction, always nice to have a smart@ss around.
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And the stat I was referring to is the "Driving Distance" stats found here:  http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.html
Not the "Club Head Speed" stats you linked to

[NTKT10]

@Tigercolt:
You quoted someone who specifically referred to swing speed with a comment regarding driving distance.  We're all smart enough to realize that if Tiger hits a 3 wood or 2 iron stinger off the tee he won't keep up with other players hitting driver.

How am I supposed to know you meant VR Tour?  A lot of people aren't familiar with Tiger's driver and are mistaken with what he plays, just trying to put the right info out there.

[NTKT10]

scratchswinger, on 17 January 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

NTKT10, on 17 January 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

scratchswinger, on 17 January 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

Either TW was killing it yesterday or Rory was way off. TW looked to be 20 yards past Rory consistently when they both pulled driver.

I don't know about anyone else but all these distance claims with the driver make me skeptical. It's just not going to happen in 2013 under the following circumstances.

• Your old driver is properly fitted
  
• You are playing the correct ball
  
• You are hitting the ball solid
  
• Your old driver is fairly current technology

It looked like Rory was hitting moon balls to me, they would get no more than 3 feet of roll much of the time.  I find it hard to believe he wouldn't be properly fit for his driver, but it sure looked that way.  I thought I heard something about the course being a bit soft and definitely not groomed like a PGA tour fairway as well.  I expect Tiger to be longer or as long as Rory most of the time, just not 20+ yards.

I'm not saying that Rory was not properly fit for his 913, I'm just saying in general.

I believe Rory- if at the end of the year he has longer numbers/ stats than has prior years. For now I just thinks it's the money talking.

I understood what you were saying.  In my eyes it looked like his ball flight was off.  I know he usually hits it high, but it looked higher than normal.  Also looked like he was teeing the ball pretty high.  Idk I'll see how he hits it tonight, maybe he was just that "off" with his swing last night.

[scratchswinger]

Agree that his swing was for sure off.

[tigercolt77]

NTKT10, on 17 January 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

@Tigercolt:
You quoted someone who specifically referred to swing speed with a comment regarding driving distance.  We're all smart enough to realize that if Tiger hits a 3 wood or 2 iron stinger off the tee he won't keep up with other players hitting driver.

How am I supposed to know you meant VR Tour?  A lot of people aren't familiar with Tiger's driver and are mistaken with what he plays, just trying to put the right info out there.

I didn't quote anyone, I made a comment about his driving distance and how THAT stat is skewed because he uses other clubs more often than most other players.  
It's good to know we have you to "police" the boards to make sure no one gets confused on which VR model Tiger uses.. You just like to act as if you are more knowledgable so you pick apart someone else's comment to appear "superior"

[MNoonan]

I hit both the performance and tour heads. Hit both Kk, Vts, and the fuel. I didnt care for the performance head as it felt awfully hard and unforgiving. The tour head had a great feel and sound. Even cranked to 12.5 i was only getting launch around 11°. But spin never got to 2000rpms, i was in 1400-1700rpms. Im very sad to say i wont be purchasing this driver. I got better numbers and more carry in 3 swings with the RFE than the 40+ i hit with each covert

[minteq]

That is why trying is so important, I loved the perfomance head with the KK silver, I hated the RFE.  I have learned to hit multiple drivers, and multiple shafts, usually surprise myself.

[Boogaloo_Jones]

MNoonan, on 18 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I hit both the performance and tour heads. Hit both Kk, Vts, and the fuel. I didnt care for the performance head as it felt awfully hard and unforgiving. The tour head had a great feel and sound. Even cranked to 12.5 i was only getting launch around 11°. But spin never got to 2000rpms, i was in 1400-1700rpms. Im very sad to say i wont be purchasing this driver. I got better numbers and more carry in 3 swings with the RFE than the 40+ i hit with each covert

Man, it seems like the Covert Tour may be the lowest spin head...ever?  Wow, the spin rates people are putting up are sub 2000rpm.

[MNoonan]

ionakana511, on 18 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

MNoonan, on 18 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I hit both the performance and tour heads. Hit both Kk, Vts, and the fuel. I didnt care for the ordinance head as it felt awfully hard and unforgiving. The tour head had a great feel and sound. Even cranked to 12.5 i was only getting launch around 11°. But spin never got to 2000rpms, i was in 1400-1700rpms. Im very sad to say i wont be purchasing this driver. I got better numbers and more carry in 3 swings with the RFE than the 40+ i hit with each covert

Man, it seems like the Covert Tour may be the lowest spin head...ever?  Wow, the spin rates people are putting up are sub 2000rpm.

It really is. The feel is amazing but I was stunned the launch was so low. I tried everything i could to launch it high but nothing changed it.

[BirdieBob]

MNoonan, on 18 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I hit both the performance and tour heads. Hit both Kk, Vts, and the fuel. I didnt care for the performance head as it felt awfully hard and unforgiving. The tour head had a great feel and sound. Even cranked to 12.5 i was only getting launch around 11°. But spin never got to 2000rpms, i was in 1400-1700rpms. Im very sad to say i wont be purchasing this driver. I got better numbers and more carry in 3 swings with the RFE than the 40+ i hit with each covert

Do you know what your swing speed was during this trial or about what you think it was?
Maybe need to have higher swing speeds for the "Tour" driver.

[TheMoneyShot]

ionakana511, on 18 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

MNoonan, on 18 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I hit both the performance and tour heads. Hit both Kk, Vts, and the fuel. I didnt care for the performance head as it felt awfully hard and unforgiving. The tour head had a great feel and sound. Even cranked to 12.5 i was only getting launch around 11°. But spin never got to 2000rpms, i was in 1400-1700rpms. Im very sad to say i wont be purchasing this driver. I got better numbers and more carry in 3 swings with the RFE than the 40+ i hit with each covert

Man, it seems like the Covert Tour may be the lowest spin head...ever?  Wow, the spin rates people are putting up are sub 2000rpm.

I wonder if it is lower than the SuperDeep?  If so, WOW!!

[MNNikeGuy]

I hit both drivers this morning at GG! Going in i thought i would like the performance better then tour! Either the screw or the threads in the shaft were all stripped out. We had a hard time changing shafts. I hit the Performance with the Tour shaft and it was great, i hit one way out on the toe and the thing just kept going and going i only lost like 5 yards. The tour was a beast it was longer and just as forgiving IMO! It felt hotter off the face.

[TheMoneyShot]

MNNikeGuy, on 18 January 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

I hit both drivers this morning at GG! Going in i thought i would like the performance better then tour! Either the screw or the threads in the shaft were all stripped out. We had a hard time changing shafts. I hit the Performance with the Tour shaft and it was great, i hit one way out on the toe and the thing just kept going and going i only lost like 5 yards. The tour was a beast it was longer and just as forgiving IMO! It felt hotter off the face.

MNNikeGuy, on 18 January 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

I hit both drivers this morning at GG! Going in i thought i would like the performance better then tour! Either the screw or the threads in the shaft were all stripped out. We had a hard time changing shafts. I hit the Performance with the Tour shaft and it was great, i hit one way out on the toe and the thing just kept going and going i only lost like 5 yards. The tour was a beast it was longer and just as forgiving IMO! It felt hotter off the face.

Tour version for you then?

[MNoonan]

BirdieBob, on 18 January 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

MNoonan, on 18 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I hit both the performance and tour heads. Hit both Kk, Vts, and the fuel. I didnt care for the performance head as it felt awfully hard and unforgiving. The tour head had a great feel and sound. Even cranked to 12.5 i was only getting launch around 11°. But spin never got to 2000rpms, i was in 1400-1700rpms. Im very sad to say i wont be purchasing this driver. I got better numbers and more carry in 3 swings with the RFE than the 40+ i hit with each covert

Do you know what your swing speed was during this trial or about what you think it was?
Maybe need to have higher swing speeds for the "Tour" driver.

102-106, i was swinging well today. So im not sure what the deal was

[MNNikeGuy]

TheMoneyShot, on 18 January 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

MNNikeGuy, on 18 January 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

I hit both drivers this morning at GG! Going in i thought i would like the performance better then tour! Either the screw or the threads in the shaft were all stripped out. We had a hard time changing shafts. I hit the Performance with the Tour shaft and it was great, i hit one way out on the toe and the thing just kept going and going i only lost like 5 yards. The tour was a beast it was longer and just as forgiving IMO! It felt hotter off the face.

MNNikeGuy, on 18 January 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

I hit both drivers this morning at GG! Going in i thought i would like the performance better then tour! Either the screw or the threads in the shaft were all stripped out. We had a hard time changing shafts. I hit the Performance with the Tour shaft and it was great, i hit one way out on the toe and the thing just kept going and going i only lost like 5 yards. The tour was a beast it was longer and just as forgiving IMO! It felt hotter off the face.

Tour version for you then?

[My2Dogs]

I just got back from GG and I tried them all (except X Hot as they were not in yet).  I tried the R1, RFE, Nike Covert Tour and Performance.  The worst for me distance wise was the R1.  Hated the shaft.

The Covert Tour felt really good but it was about 5 yards shorter for me than the RFE and the dispersion was a lot tighter with the RFE.

Overall the Covert was good and I think with a better shaft it would have done better but the RFE with Black Tie won out, both in distance and dispersion.

[MNNikeGuy]

TheMoneyShot, on 18 January 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Tour version for you then?

I'm leaning that way. I'll go to a different GG next week and try more shafts.

[Brick Tamland]

With the same shaft (KK Silver stiff), I was getting very similar spin rates and launch in the Tour and Performance heads (both set 9.5 neutral).  I only hit one knuckler with sub-2000 spin with the Tour, which I think I hit a bit low on the face.  I preferred the Performance overall because it was definitely more forgiving and I like a more elongated shape.  Both of them felt and sounded fantastic.

[jleeclt]

sorry, no LM #'s but I've had the C-Tour out for a three day demo with two shafts, the Stock KK 6X and VTS black 6S.  The first two days I could only hit in my net at home, third day took it out for some range time and the course.  Hitting outside in my net the club looked so much better than i thought the red would look, felt hot and super solid and sounded awesome i was so excited to head out to the course.
On the range after seeing the actual flight, i have never hit any driver with this low in my life.  I am a low-ish ball hitter.  My last three drivers in chronological order were: 9.5 VR Tour with GI DI7X, 10.5 VR Tour with Fubuki tour 7x, 10.5 VR Limited with ATTAS T2 7X.  I had the Covert set up at 12.5 open and really had to tee it up high to hit it in the air.  I had to switch the VTS out b/c it was only a 6s and dispersion was not great but i thought i may get a bit higher launch with it.  The stock KK X Felt better and my dispersion was much better but I maybe can hit 1/10 balls with a nice mid flight if i really tried.  The head itself seemed fairly tight b/c my low bullets were always in play.  I'm a 2 index with an avg 110mph SS and have a slight decending aoa.  My previous driver setups were all around 10-12deg of launch with spin around 2200-2500.  It sounds like i'm not the only one who got these results.  I wanted to take the performance head out but someone already checked it out.  I prefer the look of the tour but need to try the performance.  The Nike fitting bag is extremely limited with shaft options so i may five the C Tour another go during a fitting day with a LM.

[BNich0622]

I actually really like the look of this driver. I personally and holding out to try the G25 from PING and X Hot from Callaway.

[Pure745]

Finally saw this one in person.. it's definitely red.  It's a really awesome looking red, but not sure I want it on my golf club

I'll reserve final judgement till I hit it, but as of now it's looking like back to the basics.  Keep my VR LTD, 913, or XHot Pro (that matte grey is awesome).

[TheMoneyShot]

Pure745, on 23 January 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

Finally saw this one in person.. it's definitely red.  It's a really awesome looking red, but not sure I want it on my golf club

I'll reserve final judgement till I hit it, but as of now it's looking like back to the basics.  Keep my VR LTD, 913, or XHot Pro (that matte grey is awesome).

When it first saw the color in pics I was turned off too.  As I see more live shots of the club the more I am liking it even more.  The deep fade of the tour is freakin sweet!!!

[Pure745]

TheMoneyShot, on 24 January 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Pure745, on 23 January 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

Finally saw this one in person.. it's definitely red.  It's a really awesome looking red, but not sure I want it on my golf club

I'll reserve final judgement till I hit it, but as of now it's looking like back to the basics.  Keep my VR LTD, 913, or XHot Pro (that matte grey is awesome).

When it first saw the color in pics I was turned off too.  As I see more live shots of the club the more I am liking it even more.  The deep fade of the tour is freakin sweet!!!

I saw it in hand.. not sure I can do it.

[TheMoneyShot]

Pure745, on 24 January 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

TheMoneyShot, on 24 January 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Pure745, on 23 January 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

Finally saw this one in person.. it's definitely red.  It's a really awesome looking red, but not sure I want it on my golf club

I'll reserve final judgement till I hit it, but as of now it's looking like back to the basics.  Keep my VR LTD, 913, or XHot Pro (that matte grey is awesome).

When it first saw the color in pics I was turned off too.  As I see more live shots of the club the more I am liking it even more.  The deep fade of the tour is freakin sweet!!!

I saw it in hand.. not sure I can do it.

I like my clubs to have some flare to them so I know that I'll love it.  I just hope that I get the same results with it that the others are getting.

[Boogaloo_Jones]

The more pics I see of the Tour version, the more I want it even though I know the Performance version would be a better fit.  Nike, any chances of making a black finish on the face Performance version???

[Pure745]

@Moneyshot - I was the same as you, until I saw it in person.  Hard to get real feel of reality by reading reviews without actually seeing it.  It's a great shaped club, but too red for my taste.  I will still hit it, I'm just not as excited as I once was.  Truth be told, I'm just getting burnt out of all of the flashy, red, white, racing stripes, etc.. on the top of a golf club.  Maybe I'm turning into a traditionalist at my old age

[TheMoneyShot]

Pure745, on 24 January 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

@Moneyshot - I was the same as you, until I saw it in person.  Hard to get real feel of reality by reading reviews without actually seeing it.  It's a great shaped club, but too red for my taste.  I will still hit it, I'm just not as excited as I once was.  Truth be told, I'm just getting burnt out of all of the flashy, red, white, racing stripes, etc.. on the top of a golf club.  Maybe I'm turning into a traditionalist at my old age

Pure745, on 24 January 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

@Moneyshot - I was the same as you, until I saw it in person.  Hard to get real feel of reality by reading reviews without actually seeing it.  It's a great shaped club, but too red for my taste.  I will still hit it, I'm just not as excited as I once was.  Truth be told, I'm just getting burnt out of all of the flashy, red, white, racing stripes, etc.. on the top of a golf club.  Maybe I'm turning into a traditionalist at my old age

I hear what you are saying, the clubs now days are getting super flashy.  All of the oems are trying to out do each other with more flare and graphics.  This driver and the R1 are the two drivers I am most interested in for the year.  This driver is more pleasing to look at vs the R1 in their stock form.  I just really love the deep face of the Nike driver.