465 replies to this topic

[mikpga]

If it was about "looks", I would then foresee a proposal on banning Tommy Two Gloves and Mustaches!

[chiromikey]

kellygreen, on 05 December 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

chiromikey, on 04 December 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

kellygreen, on 04 December 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

chiromikey, on 04 December 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

well your responses implied that your conclusions were much more than just your opinion so thank you for clearing that up.

like i said, i still assert people are misleading themselves if they think an anchoring ban will chase any "measurable amount" of people from the game.  sure there will be an insignificant amount of attrition and those at the top levels will be boisterous to gather a small group of bandwaggoneers...but even that will be short lived once those people find ways to continue playing the game or the amatures playing just for fun decide to anchor anyways.

Indirect evidence is not an "opinion"...and the conclusions drawn from them are sound.  Just not the only possible conclusions.

But since we are dealing with events that HAVEN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET...what on Earth did you expect anyone to show you?

Signed affidavits of people vowing to stop playing golf once the rule goes into effect?????

You are assuming that people CAN find other ways to effectively putt....for certain people that may not be possible.

Given the reaction that Keegan Bradley got for anchoring this weekend, while the technique is still LEGAL...I think you are overestimating people's tolerance to watching others do it (under any circumstances) once it is formally banned.

i knew you couldn't prove the point as it's simply nothing more than an opinion.

and lol, "for certain people it may not be possible"?...give me a break.  if they can figure out how to swing a driver and bend over to pull their ball out of the hole to mitigate whatever ailments that caused them to start anchoring, they can figure out another way to putt.

...and you can't prove your point either.

For the EXACT same reasons I can't.  Or had you even stopped to consider that point?

...and as far as your last point, I could line up neurologists around the block who would disagree with you on that point.  Bending over to pick something up, and the kind of coordinated activity necessary to putt a golf ball effectively are very different...and call upon the brain to different things.

lmao!!! i challenge you to find ONE neurologist that would tell their disabled patient they're perfectly fine to play golf as long as they don't use a traditional putter! you've made some laughable claims so far but that takes the cake!

on that note, i'll stop feeding the troll and check out of this debate...

[kellygreen]

Bubb, on 06 December 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

spooky, on 06 December 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Quoting an IQ test and proclaiming yourself a genius? It's just a little bit sad and it was actually you that first mentioned it in another thread. Someone who really was wouldn't feel the NEED to tell everyone. Laughable and I cannot even be bothered to deal with you yet again attempting to put words in my mouth. To quote Duncan Bannatyne, I'm out.

The one trait all really smart people share is that they all run around telling others how smart they are. Haven't you noticed? Braggadocio is always a dead giveaway for superior intellect.

No.

We just finally reach a point in life where the insecurities of others no longer dictate our actions.

If it is relevant to a conversation...we talk about it.

If it isn't...we don't.  

Just that simple.

[kellygreen]

jg1166, on 06 December 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

<sub>"the fact is, anchoring is wrong because it doesn't pass the looks test."  Interesting view on how to judge, who defines the look test, what is the criteria.  Do you extended it to someones swing?  If they start winning regulary?  The issue is they have rule the technique is illegal along time after it was adopted which is problematic but like a lot of sports they have turned a blind eye to until it caused a problem and did not act ast enough.  There is also a problem in how the rule will be interpereted.  The current ruling allows you to move you hand off you chest by millimeters and you are have a valid stroke/swing.  Who is going to rull on this? There is a can of worms here, will you call a player a cheat if he states that he is not anchoring in game? and if you do how do you prove it? ask hime to repeat the stroke and you are the judge?

The problem here is is it has become a trend especially for the belly putter, the long putter is still not that common, on the tour, with juniors using it from the start which appears to be breaking the traditions of the game. As stated in a number of posts, the ruling based on the traditons of the game should be removed or otherwise  we should revert to all the old persimmon equipment or earlier etc.  

If the aim was to remove the equipment from use by the back door I have a feeling they have failed, I think a better way of doing it is similar to baseball, Allow it in junior and colege ranks etc like the Aluminium bats but not at the Pro level where they want to preserve the tradition.</sub>

Agreed.

But the USGA and R&A are just too stubborn to acknowledge that the game is ALREADY bifurcated on de facto basis...if not on a de jure one.

Which is why they keep finding themselves making rulings aimed at the professional and elite amatuer levels of the game, that make absolutely no sense at any other level of the game.

[kellygreen]

chiromikey, on 07 December 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

lmao!!! i challenge you to find ONE neurologist that would tell their disabled patient they're perfectly fine to play golf as long as they don't use a traditional putter! you've made some laughable claims so far but that takes the cake!

on that note, i'll stop feeding the troll and check out of this debate...

http://en.wikipedia....ssential_tremor

I always amazed at how people can make such emphatic statments when they really just have NO IDEA what they are talking about.....

[kellygreen]

Bubb, on 06 December 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

I guess he was also baited into reluctantly acknowledging that he could "bury you in a mountain of (his) academic and professional accomplishments." (see post #423) It seems that a man of his caliber could more fruitfully spend his time on battles that are not already lost.

So, in other words it is acceptable to insult someone's intelligence around here...but its unacceptably rude to stand up for one's self and make it clear that your opposite number has brought a knife to a gunfight?

Got it.

...I'll make sure to keep that in mind:  Okay to dish it out...but too many glass jaws and delicate sensibillities when it comes back around.

...and if you had read the entire post, you would have noted that I was acknowledging that he was attempting to bait me into "proving" that I am as smart as I claimed to be, but that I was not going to rise to it.   Because such a rendition would be horribly out-of-place here.

[indyvai]

Smartest Man in the World

A doctor, a lawyer, a little boy and a priest were out for a Sunday afternoon flight on a small private plane. Suddenly, the plane developed engine trouble.

In spite of the best efforts of the pilot, the plane started to go down. Finally, the pilot grabbed a parachute, yelled to the passengers that they had better jump, and bailed out.

Unfortunately, there were only three parachutes remaining.

The doctor grabbed one and said "I'm a doctor, I save lives, so I must live," and jumped out.

The lawyer then said, "I'm a lawyer and lawyers are the smartest people in the world. I deserve to live."

He also grabbed a parachute and jumped.

The priest looked at the little boy and said, "My son, I've lived a long and full life. You are young and have your whole life ahead of you. Take the last parachute and live in peace."

The little boy handed the parachute back to the priest and said, "Not to worry, Father. The 'smartest man in the world' just took off with my back pack."

[spooky]

Priceless.

[kellygreen]

indyvai, on 07 December 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Smartest Man in the World

A doctor, a lawyer, a little boy and a priest were out for a Sunday afternoon flight on a small private plane. Suddenly, the plane developed engine trouble.

In spite of the best efforts of the pilot, the plane started to go down. Finally, the pilot grabbed a parachute, yelled to the passengers that they had better jump, and bailed out.

Unfortunately, there were only three parachutes remaining.

The doctor grabbed one and said "I'm a doctor, I save lives, so I must live," and jumped out.

The lawyer then said, "I'm a lawyer and lawyers are the smartest people in the world. I deserve to live."

He also grabbed a parachute and jumped.

The priest looked at the little boy and said, "My son, I've lived a long and full life. You are young and have your whole life ahead of you. Take the last parachute and live in peace."

The little boy handed the parachute back to the priest and said, "Not to worry, Father. The 'smartest man in the world' just took off with my back pack."

LOL.

I've met a few who would have jumped out with that backpack....

...and one less lawyer is always a good thing.

[chiromikey]

kellygreen, on 07 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

chiromikey, on 07 December 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

lmao!!! i challenge you to find ONE neurologist that would tell their disabled patient they're perfectly fine to play golf as long as they don't use a traditional putter! you've made some laughable claims so far but that takes the cake!

on that note, i'll stop feeding the troll and check out of this debate...

http://en.wikipedia....ssential_tremor

I always amazed at how people can make such emphatic statments when they really just have NO IDEA what they are talking about.....

lmao again! the only thing i've learned from that link is that trolls can feed themselves. my initial assertions still stand. go back and read them since you've lost track.

[mogc60]

I don't understand what Tradition they are trying to uphold. I bet less than 20% of the people playing the game today have any idea of who Hogan or Jones or Nelson or Hagen or any of the players who have dominated this game throughout its history. I have been a PGA professional for almost 15 years and the ruling bodies don't do one thing to grow or promote the game of golf. They have some blurred vision of what the game used to be and they feel that we have to hold on to that history.  I love the game of golf but our world is different than it was 50-75 years ago. The game is kept alive by the everyday Joe's that pay their fees to play our courses. They don't care about the traditions of the game or its history. I truly wish this wasn't the case, but it is.  Unfortunatly, these are the people that pay the bills and are the lifeblood of our business. I don't think the ban will change this fact, but for the rulings bodies to use protecting the game as their reasoning is the biggest bunch of bunk I have ever heard. I hope the PGA or the PGA Tour take a stand against these narrow minded fools and start to go their own way.  I don't anchor my putter but I still think that the game has much bigger issues than some style of putting. For what its worth, I think cross handed putting looks awful. Always have.

Edited by mogc60, 07 December 2012 - 03:00 PM.

[kellygreen]

chiromikey, on 07 December 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

kellygreen, on 07 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

chiromikey, on 07 December 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

lmao!!! i challenge you to find ONE neurologist that would tell their disabled patient they're perfectly fine to play golf as long as they don't use a traditional putter! you've made some laughable claims so far but that takes the cake!

on that note, i'll stop feeding the troll and check out of this debate...

http://en.wikipedia....ssential_tremor

I always amazed at how people can make such emphatic statments when they really just have NO IDEA what they are talking about.....

lmao again! the only thing i've learned from that link is that trolls can feed themselves. my initial assertions still stand. go back and read them since you've lost track.

Yes.

Assertions have that wonderful ability when the people making them put their hands over their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and start insulting anyone who dares to present them with contradictory information.

But hey, dogmatism is the most impregnible fortress that ignorance can build.

Carry on.

[nbg352]

chiromikey, on 02 December 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

i think most opponents of this proposal are misleading themselves if they think this will hurt the growth of the game.  rarely if ever does a newcomer to golf begin with a broomstick or belly putter and out of the few (relatively speaking) that are now gaming these, most of them end up with one only after years of golf, several equipment changes, and a collection of traditional style putters.  if you want to be upset that the putter that happens to be working for you now will soon be banned then fine...but don't try to play us for fools and pretend you're worried about the future growth of the game.

Actually, this  is one of the alleged driving forcess behind the ban. Too many kids and  new golfers seem to be attracted to the long putter according to the ruling bodies. And they want to ban it before this use becomes epidemic. If a sizeable number of touring pros ( who are closer to golf's pulse than most of us) are saying that this decision causes them to worry about the future of golf, I believe they just might know something. And I become worried myself. But, having said that, you know that those worried pros are just playing us all for fools......

[Bubb]

mogc60, on 07 December 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

I don't understand what Tradition they are trying to uphold. I bet less than 20% of the people playing the game today have any idea of who Hogan or Jones or Nelson or Hagen or any of the players who have dominated this game throughout its history. I'm sure if the ruling bodies had their way..women wouldn't work, only the elite would play the game, racism would run rampent through the game, and there wives would not be allowed to play at their exclusive clubs back in New Jersey. I have been a PGA professional for almost 15 years and the ruling bodies don't do one thing to grow or promote the game of golf. They have some blurred vision of what the game used to be and they feel that we have to hold on to that history.  I love the game of golf but our world is different than it was 50-75 years ago. The game is kept alive by the everyday Joe's that pay their fees to play our courses. They don't care about the traditions of the game or its history. I truly wish this wasn't the case, but it is.  Unfortunatly, these are the people that pay the bills and are the lifeblood of our business. I don't think the ban will change this fact, but for the rulings bodies to use protecting the game as their reasoning is the biggest bunch of bunk I have ever heard. I hope the PGA or the PGA Tour take a stand against these narrow minded fools and start to go their own way.  I don't anchor my putter but I still think that the game has much bigger issues than some style of putting. For what its worth, I think cross handed putting looks awful. Always have.

Do you realize that you are destroying your own credibility when you state an opinion about the legality of a golf stroke and you start your argument by labeling those who are proposing the new rule as racists and misogynists? I'm sure that others on your side of the argument are thrilled to have you in their corner. You are a PGA professional?

[kevcarter]

indyvai, on 07 December 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Smartest Man in the World

A doctor, a lawyer, a little boy and a priest were out for a Sunday afternoon flight on a small private plane. Suddenly, the plane developed engine trouble.

In spite of the best efforts of the pilot, the plane started to go down. Finally, the pilot grabbed a parachute, yelled to the passengers that they had better jump, and bailed out.

Unfortunately, there were only three parachutes remaining.

The doctor grabbed one and said "I'm a doctor, I save lives, so I must live," and jumped out.

The lawyer then said, "I'm a lawyer and lawyers are the smartest people in the world. I deserve to live."

He also grabbed a parachute and jumped.

The priest looked at the little boy and said, "My son, I've lived a long and full life. You are young and have your whole life ahead of you. Take the last parachute and live in peace."

The little boy handed the parachute back to the priest and said, "Not to worry, Father. The 'smartest man in the world' just took off with my back pack."

Thank you for that!!! :-)

[Dead Solid Perfect]

Al.J, on 02 December 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

spooky, on 02 December 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

Al.J, on 02 December 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

As for taking the nerves out of the stroke thats another lie! You can push pull or slam the ball by the hole just as easy with a long putter anchored as with a short putter.

That must be one hell of a move you put on the ball then...

Just saying it doesnt take the nerves out of putting.  You still have to make a stroke with it and you still have to control tempo and path of the club head. Every body talks like every putt is going in if you anchor the putter. Personally I dont see it happening.

Agreed. Hell I putted worse with a belly.