Edited by tommykrebs, 27 November 2012 - 07:26 AM.
Pivot stalland flip
Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:38 AM
Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:07 AM
Edited by tommykrebs, 27 November 2012 - 10:21 AM.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:07 AM
1. Setup as usual
2. Take maybe a 1/8 backswing...just to the point where your right elbow begins to fold (maybe 2-3' back)
4. Slowly try and bring the face back to the ball (dont actually hit the ball just go through the motion to square the face)
There are only 2 ways to square the face: 1) flipping, or 2) pivot
Using your pivot to square the face, you'll find your shoulders and hips will be open.
5. Practice chipping
Trying to fix a flip to a pivot is almost impossible using a full swing. Start small.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:16 PM
Mark Crossfield's video on hip tilt in the backswing. "The more angles you create in the backswing, the more you have to eliminate to get through the ball."
There are some thoughts in there I have never heard or read before, but I will try it, because my left knee does all sorts of funny things in the backswing, and I think that the "level hips" concept could actually help me to get onto my left side faster at the start of the downswing.
Edited by avrag, 27 November 2012 - 12:19 PM.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:30 PM
Thank you for posting this. The Brian Gay / Dustin Johnson comparison is a real eye opener, how differences in the motion (and also the range of motion) of the lower body can create huge differences in power.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:45 PM
Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:08 PM
For a while you will need to forget about any kind of results, I worked on just this swing feeling during the off season (6 to 7 months in the Great White North) and even when I first hit the range, I hit a couple of buckets without getting many airborne, I was hitting it all over the face. Once I started to make real contact, I adjusted my grip per Hogan’s 5 Lessons to straighten out my ball flight.
Prior to this I was a 10 Hdcp. and had played 40 of my 47 years, so I could make contact pretty well before I started on this journey. That was 4 years ago, last season I had my best ball striking season yet and was co-winner of my club championship. Still 4 yrs into the change I can find my old disconnected swing creeping back, so it takes constant work. Good luck.
Edited by Sledge Hammer, 27 November 2012 - 03:08 PM.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:12 AM
Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:19 AM
Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:52 AM
IMHO, you should try to establish a better connection between arms and torso and develop a feel for getting the lower body rotation going. Perhaps hands and right hip to impact at the same time, or consciously rotate left knee externally, or get you weight to outside edge of your left heel. I'm sure there are setup issues that I don't see, but the connection is important - have you tried Russ' credit card in the armpit drill?
Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:09 AM
Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:12 AM
I pause at the top because to get rid of the hit impulse.
Also dude if thats a Door mat you are hitting off be prepared to buy new clubs soon
Really? I have to check my iron. Thanks...
Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:22 AM
1. The goal of the golf swing is not to "hit the ball"...but to PROPEL the ball to the TARGET. Your pivot stalls because you have very little motion towards the target, and all your energy and focus is directed at simply striking the ball (and with most struggling players) getting the ball into the air.
2. The trick of developing power in a golf swing is to teach your body to swing a very light golf club as if it were a very heavy object. You're pivot stalls because your mind doesn't need to recruit your body in order to simply make contact with a stationary ball, swinging a light object.
OTOH, If I told you to throw your golf club at the target...or to throw a ball a considerable distance...you will (if you have any athletic instincts) naturally recruit your body to support and aid in the generation of the power necessary to propel the object that distance. You won't just stand there and wave-and-flip your arms and hands.
What you need to do is be more focused on your target...and what is needed to propel the ball TO it...rather than focusing on ball contact.
Change your mind, and the body will slowly follow.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:55 AM
I got many students as tall as you and they got not that problem. I think it's in your mind that you want to be "toward the ball"
Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:14 AM
Edited by tommykrebs, 28 November 2012 - 09:18 AM.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:20 AM
I believe this to be true but the problem then arises of what you need to change it to.
That was addressed in the rest of that post.
In the case of the original poster, the root of his problem is that he is focused on striking the ball, rather than propelling the ball to the target. All the other things that he is trying to fix are manifestations of his ball- (rather than target-) orientation.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:41 AM
This guy release is not very different. He releases with the arms and the hips has to stop. IMO he has a textbook looking golfswing.
And what about Luke's release? Hip stalls and arms and hands release. What's his problem?
I can show you countless Top-Pro's with this release.
Please don't come with the argument that all Tour Pro with this release are gifted and they are only consistent because they hit 1000 balls every day. I don't believe this.
Edited by tommykrebs, 28 November 2012 - 10:11 AM.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:52 AM
I am 6'5". I get what your saying tommy, this is something I had to work very hard on with my coach. But you can be tall, be more upright, and still have room for your arms.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:01 AM
Edited by SunkTheBirdie, 28 November 2012 - 10:02 AM.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:16 AM
This guy release is not very different. He releases with the arms and the hips has to stop. IMO he has a textbook golfswing.
And what about Luke's release? Hip stalls and arms and hands release. What's his problem?
My post is not theoretic...in fact it is very simple. So simple that you've missed the point, and gone back to mechanics and chasing down isolated problems...where it seems that you are comfortable.
Your swing has the shape it does..and the problems it has...because you have lost sight of what the GOAL of the swing is. To propel the golf ball TO a specific target. You will not fix your swing until you stop directing all of your intention and energy AT the ball...and start directing it TO your target.
There's an old saying, "Good golfers STARE at the target and glance at the ball. Poor golfers STARE at ther ball and glance at the target." Your swing is the way it is, because too much of your attention and INTENTION is directed at the ball...and too little of it is reaching out and engaging the target.
All of the body motion you are trying to put into your swing is a RESULT of the body trying to propel an object efficiently and powerfully towards a distant target. Your body will not respond in this fashion if your mind is only engaged with an object that this on the ground three feet away. Because it doesn't need to, and won't waste the effort.
Try this...to illustrate my point.
First, videotape your swing hitting balls. Pay no attention to where they go. Just focus all your energy on just hitting the ball and getting them up in the air...and see what that does to your swing.
Second (find a safe location to do this), videotape yourself THROWING golf CLUBS with your swing motion. Pick a distant target, Make your backswing and direct all your energy and intention towards THROWING that club at the target you've chosen. (Or if you can't find a safe place to throw golf clubs, you can also do the drill by throwing a heavy object---like a weighted medicine ball---with that same two-handed motion).
I'm betting that in the first case, you will see a massive return off all the faults that you are chasing around in your swing. Poor lower body motion, Over the top, Flippy hands.
I'm betting in the second video where you are reaching out, engaging the target and directing your efforts towards propelling an object towards the target...you will see those faults start to disappear. Because your body now has to get involved in order to enage the target and is directing its energy to that target.
Bottomline. YOU SWING TO THE TARGET...AND THE GOLF BALL SIMPLY GETS IN THE WAY. YOU DON'T SWING AT THE BALL, AND HOPE THAT IT FINDS ITS WAY TO THE TARGET.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:26 AM
Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:38 AM
Edit: I have played many many years of bad golf (in my youth) and all I had was the swing thought "propel the ball to the target". At this time I had no clue about swing mechanics. This was long before youtube and WRX. I only had a golf book from Niklaus with a few drawings. That's all.
Edited by tommykrebs, 28 November 2012 - 10:49 AM.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:46 AM
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If you want to improve your consistency, I wouldn't bring up Luke Donald's faults.
Your swing has alot of hands for a iron shot.