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[hawkeye2204]

tigercolt77, on 26 November 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

I know the lofts are different, if they didn't adjust them and left the 6 iron at 31 degrees it would fly like a pitching wedge.  The lowering of the lofts in GI clubs is not so much to get more distance as it is to get the ball flight correct because the clubs launch the ball so much higher than a forged blade.  I see your argument but it's a little more complicated than saying one is 31 degrees and one is 26.5.

This times a billion. I hate reading that argument over and over and over. So much more complicated than that.

[PingDrv00]

Stetson, on 26 November 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

tigercolt77, on 23 November 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Hit the RocketBladez irons today at PGA superstore on their launch monitor.  I generally hit my VR Pro forged 6 iron around 190ish when practicing there with 90-92 club speed and 120-124 ball speed.  First swing with the RocketBladez was 87 club speed with 127 ball speed and flew 205 when I got my swing speed up over 90 I was carrying 210-212... I was impressed, they launched high but not crazy high.  Looked at the entire set, you can start to see the cavity back at address on the 5 iron which is about the same as the Vr_S forged.  The A wedge actually looks great in person, just like the ATV wedges in shape but I like the design better.  The topline was thinner than I expected and the club head wasn't as chunky as I anticipated either (much better than the rocketballz).  The feel was pretty good for a cast GI club, guess the inserts really do help.  IMHO these will be very popular and make a mid to high handicap player more consistent and of course longer.  Personally I prefer the look of these over the R11 irons.. Can't wait to see/hit the Tour version

Just to put your numbers in perspective, the Rbdz 6 iron is 26.5* of loft, with a 37 5/8" shaft.  The VRPro blades are 31*, the cavity backs are 28* and both have a shaft length of 37.5".  So the 6 iron comparison likely showed Rocketbladez as further but for obvious reasons.  I recently demoed the Rocketbladez and the Fli-Hi.  I wanted a long iron, so I compared the 4 iron Fli-Hi (24*) to the 5 iron (23*) Rocketbladez.  Even though the Rbdz was 1 degree stronger, my best swings with both yielded more distance and lower flight for the Fli-Hi.  Just my experience, but I think the lofts on the Rbdz are quite strong and misleading.

I am not sure how the lofts could be misleading if the specs are clearly listed on the manufacturers sight.  The question really comes down to what shaft did you have in each club?  If the shaft was not the same, than the comparison is really not apples to apples.

[MCoz]

TheMoneyShot, on 27 November 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

MCoz, on 27 November 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

TheMoneyShot, on 26 November 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

jakeolsen11, on 26 November 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

Is Sergio playing the tour heads that will be available to us or are they like some sort of b version???

I'm sure he has a special one off tweaked version that differs a bit from the retail tours that we will get.

The clubs pictured are not one-offs, they are the Tour version irons that both O'Hair and Bettencourt have been
playing. O'Hair's clubs labeled prototypes because they were camouflaged. The heads are essentially the same.

Do you have inside info on this or something?

Yeah a little

[TheMoneyShot]

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Is Sergio playing the tour heads that will be available to us or are they like some sort of b version???
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I'm sure he has a special one off tweaked version that differs a bit from the retail tours that we will get.
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The clubs pictured are not one-offs, they are the Tour version irons that both O'Hair and Bettencourt have been
playing. O'Hair's clubs labeled prototypes because they were camouflaged. The heads are essentially the same.
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Do you have inside info on this or something?
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Yeah a little
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It must be nice!

[xerpro]

Caesar Palache, on 26 November 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

JJGolo, on 26 November 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Even with new clubs he's three bad holes from contending. I want these clubs to be the real thing. But I wonder why more staffers aren't switching...

cause its the offseason and no one is playing?

so far i count 3, matt betencourt (spelling?) sean o'hair and sergio

Ryan Palmer dumped the AP2 after hitting O'Hairs. Not sure if he is playing any tourneys or not, but they are in the bag.

[MCoz]

PingDrv00, on 27 November 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

Stetson, on 26 November 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

tigercolt77, on 23 November 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Hit the RocketBladez irons today at PGA superstore on their launch monitor.  I generally hit my VR Pro forged 6 iron around 190ish when practicing there with 90-92 club speed and 120-124 ball speed.  First swing with the RocketBladez was 87 club speed with 127 ball speed and flew 205 when I got my swing speed up over 90 I was carrying 210-212... I was impressed, they launched high but not crazy high.  Looked at the entire set, you can start to see the cavity back at address on the 5 iron which is about the same as the Vr_S forged.  The A wedge actually looks great in person, just like the ATV wedges in shape but I like the design better.  The topline was thinner than I expected and the club head wasn't as chunky as I anticipated either (much better than the rocketballz).  The feel was pretty good for a cast GI club, guess the inserts really do help.  IMHO these will be very popular and make a mid to high handicap player more consistent and of course longer.  Personally I prefer the look of these over the R11 irons.. Can't wait to see/hit the Tour version

Just to put your numbers in perspective, the Rbdz 6 iron is 26.5* of loft, with a 37 5/8" shaft.  The VRPro blades are 31*, the cavity backs are 28* and both have a shaft length of 37.5".  So the 6 iron comparison likely showed Rocketbladez as further but for obvious reasons.  I recently demoed the Rocketbladez and the Fli-Hi.  I wanted a long iron, so I compared the 4 iron Fli-Hi (24*) to the 5 iron (23*) Rocketbladez.  Even though the Rbdz was 1 degree stronger, my best swings with both yielded more distance and lower flight for the Fli-Hi.  Just my experience, but I think the lofts on the Rbdz are quite strong and misleading.

I am not sure how the lofts could be misleading if the specs are clearly listed on the manufacturers sight.  The question really comes down to what shaft did you have in each club?  If the shaft was not the same, than the comparison is really not apples to apples.

You are correct but it is even more than that. True, it is never as simple as loft. Shaft differences can be a big issue, but clubhead dynamics may be the biggest variable. This includes but is not limited to the face dynamics which is another complex and integral component.  One cannot necessarily see all of this, thus making it harder to understand (clubfaces are not all solid flat pieces of steel).
Note to the hardheads ---Moment of inertia, Cg, balance, and physics varies greatly from design to design. Some of these new designs are beyond the comprehension of most of us here.
The problem here is that people don't like to look uninformed and lacking intelligence. But unless one is educated in these areas, it isn't going to be understandable. People here have to GET OVER IT!! If it was simple, someone else would have done it already, whatever new technology from whomever (fill in the blank).
Maybe we should just embrace and enjoy what comes in golf, We don't seem to long for Black and white little 12" round tubed Televisions or great big cabinet stereos. Would you rather fly across country in a twin prop plane or a luxury Jetliner? Phone booth on the corner or a cell phone that works like a compouter that fits into your pocket? Do we have to understand how this works when 40 years ago a computer that does less required a room to house it.

[Caesar Palache]

MCoz, on 27 November 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

PingDrv00, on 27 November 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

Stetson, on 26 November 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

tigercolt77, on 23 November 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Hit the RocketBladez irons today at PGA superstore on their launch monitor.  I generally hit my VR Pro forged 6 iron around 190ish when practicing there with 90-92 club speed and 120-124 ball speed.  First swing with the RocketBladez was 87 club speed with 127 ball speed and flew 205 when I got my swing speed up over 90 I was carrying 210-212... I was impressed, they launched high but not crazy high.  Looked at the entire set, you can start to see the cavity back at address on the 5 iron which is about the same as the Vr_S forged.  The A wedge actually looks great in person, just like the ATV wedges in shape but I like the design better.  The topline was thinner than I expected and the club head wasn't as chunky as I anticipated either (much better than the rocketballz).  The feel was pretty good for a cast GI club, guess the inserts really do help.  IMHO these will be very popular and make a mid to high handicap player more consistent and of course longer.  Personally I prefer the look of these over the R11 irons.. Can't wait to see/hit the Tour version

Just to put your numbers in perspective, the Rbdz 6 iron is 26.5* of loft, with a 37 5/8" shaft.  The VRPro blades are 31*, the cavity backs are 28* and both have a shaft length of 37.5".  So the 6 iron comparison likely showed Rocketbladez as further but for obvious reasons.  I recently demoed the Rocketbladez and the Fli-Hi.  I wanted a long iron, so I compared the 4 iron Fli-Hi (24*) to the 5 iron (23*) Rocketbladez.  Even though the Rbdz was 1 degree stronger, my best swings with both yielded more distance and lower flight for the Fli-Hi.  Just my experience, but I think the lofts on the Rbdz are quite strong and misleading.

I am not sure how the lofts could be misleading if the specs are clearly listed on the manufacturers sight.  The question really comes down to what shaft did you have in each club?  If the shaft was not the same, than the comparison is really not apples to apples.

You are correct but it is even more than that. True, it is never as simple as loft. Shaft differences can be a big issue, but clubhead dynamics may be the biggest variable. This includes but is not limited to the face dynamics which is another complex and integral component.  One cannot necessarily see all of this, thus making it harder to understand (clubfaces are not all solid flat pieces of steel).
Note to the hardheads ---Moment of inertia, Cg, balance, and physics varies greatly from design to design. Some of these new designs are beyond the comprehension of most of us here.
The problem here is that people don't like to look uninformed and lacking intelligence. But unless one is educated in these areas, it isn't going to be understandable. People here have to GET OVER IT!! If it was simple, someone else would have done it already, whatever new technology from whomever (fill in the blank).
Maybe we should just embrace and enjoy what comes in golf, We don't seem to long for Black and white little 12" round tubed Televisions or great big cabinet stereos. Would you rather fly across country in a twin prop plane or a luxury Jetliner? Phone booth on the corner or a cell phone that works like a compouter that fits into your pocket? Do we have to understand how this works when 40 years ago a computer that does less required a room to house it.

is your hotel pager friendly? im not getting a sig on my beeper. do you have a pay phone bank?

ok back on track, i did a review of these irons and tried explaining to every 4th member who posted that it was all about the launch not the loft. no one wants to hear it since they dont understand

Edited by Caesar Palache, 27 November 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[xerpro]

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Hit the RocketBladez irons today at PGA superstore on their launch monitor.  I generally hit my VR Pro forged 6 iron around 190ish when practicing there with 90-92 club speed and 120-124 ball speed.  First swing with the RocketBladez was 87 club speed with 127 ball speed and flew 205 when I got my swing speed up over 90 I was carrying 210-212... I was impressed, they launched high but not crazy high.  Looked at the entire set, you can start to see the cavity back at address on the 5 iron which is about the same as the Vr_S forged.  The A wedge actually looks great in person, just like the ATV wedges in shape but I like the design better.  The topline was thinner than I expected and the club head wasn't as chunky as I anticipated either (much better than the rocketballz).  The feel was pretty good for a cast GI club, guess the inserts really do help.  IMHO these will be very popular and make a mid to high handicap player more consistent and of course longer.  Personally I prefer the look of these over the R11 irons.. Can't wait to see/hit the Tour version
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Just to put your numbers in perspective, the Rbdz 6 iron is 26.5* of loft, with a 37 5/8" shaft.  The VRPro blades are 31*, the cavity backs are 28* and both have a shaft length of 37.5".  So the 6 iron comparison likely showed Rocketbladez as further but for obvious reasons.  I recently demoed the Rocketbladez and the Fli-Hi.  I wanted a long iron, so I compared the 4 iron Fli-Hi (24*) to the 5 iron (23*) Rocketbladez.  Even though the Rbdz was 1 degree stronger, my best swings with both yielded more distance and lower flight for the Fli-Hi.  Just my experience, but I think the lofts on the Rbdz are quite strong and misleading.
[/quote]

I am not sure how the lofts could be misleading if the specs are clearly listed on the manufacturers sight.  The question really comes down to what shaft did you have in each club?  If the shaft was not the same, than the comparison is really not apples to apples.
[/quote]
You are correct but it is even more than that. True, it is never as simple as loft. Shaft differences can be a big issue, but clubhead dynamics may be the biggest variable. This includes but is not limited to the face dynamics which is another complex and integral component.  One cannot necessarily see all of this, thus making it harder to understand (clubfaces are not all solid flat pieces of steel).
Note to the hardheads ---Moment of inertia, Cg, balance, and physics varies greatly from design to design. Some of these new designs are beyond the comprehension of most of us here.
The problem here is that people don't like to look uninformed and lacking intelligence. But unless one is educated in these areas, it isn't going to be understandable. People here have to GET OVER IT!! If it was simple, someone else would have done it already, whatever new technology from whomever (fill in the blank).
Maybe we should just embrace and enjoy what comes in golf, We don't seem to long for Black and white little 12" round tubed Televisions or great big cabinet stereos. Would you rather fly across country in a twin prop plane or a luxury Jetliner? Phone booth on the corner or a cell phone that works like a compouter that fits into your pocket? Do we have to understand how this works when 40 years ago a computer that does less required a room to house it.
[/quote]

is your hotel pager friendly? im not getting a sig on my beeper. do you have a pay phone bank?

ok back on track, i did a review of these irons and tried explaining to every 4th member who posted that it was all about the launch not the loft. no one wants to hear it since they dont understand
[/quote]

"the Proprietor" has spoken.....
You probably get this a lot....Is this the real Caesar's Palace?

People always put down what they dont understand...Why do we work so hard on getting the correct launch angle and flight characteristics on our driver? Do people put down the guy that plays an 11* driver, but you could build a walmart in between his drive and their 8.5* driver? Nope....
So who cares about loft of the iron? Oh, haters and people who dont understand and couldnt tell a difference between land angle and land rover....
Play what works....END OF STORY

[MCoz]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1354068676' post='5987419']
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[quote name='tigercolt77' timestamp='1353701089' post='5969811']
Hit the RocketBladez irons today at PGA superstore on their launch monitor.  I generally hit my VR Pro forged 6 iron around 190ish when practicing there with 90-92 club speed and 120-124 ball speed.  First swing with the RocketBladez was 87 club speed with 127 ball speed and flew 205 when I got my swing speed up over 90 I was carrying 210-212... I was impressed, they launched high but not crazy high.  Looked at the entire set, you can start to see the cavity back at address on the 5 iron which is about the same as the Vr_S forged.  The A wedge actually looks great in person, just like the ATV wedges in shape but I like the design better.  The topline was thinner than I expected and the club head wasn't as chunky as I anticipated either (much better than the rocketballz).  The feel was pretty good for a cast GI club, guess the inserts really do help.  IMHO these will be very popular and make a mid to high handicap player more consistent and of course longer.  Personally I prefer the look of these over the R11 irons.. Can't wait to see/hit the Tour version
[/quote]

Just to put your numbers in perspective, the Rbdz 6 iron is 26.5* of loft, with a 37 5/8" shaft.  The VRPro blades are 31*, the cavity backs are 28* and both have a shaft length of 37.5".  So the 6 iron comparison likely showed Rocketbladez as further but for obvious reasons.  I recently demoed the Rocketbladez and the Fli-Hi.  I wanted a long iron, so I compared the 4 iron Fli-Hi (24*) to the 5 iron (23*) Rocketbladez.  Even though the Rbdz was 1 degree stronger, my best swings with both yielded more distance and lower flight for the Fli-Hi.  Just my experience, but I think the lofts on the Rbdz are quite strong and misleading.
[/quote]

I am not sure how the lofts could be misleading if the specs are clearly listed on the manufacturers sight.  The question really comes down to what shaft did you have in each club?  If the shaft was not the same, than the comparison is really not apples to apples.
[/quote]
You are correct but it is even more than that. True, it is never as simple as loft. Shaft differences can be a big issue, but clubhead dynamics may be the biggest variable. This includes but is not limited to the face dynamics which is another complex and integral component.  One cannot necessarily see all of this, thus making it harder to understand (clubfaces are not all solid flat pieces of steel).
Note to the hardheads ---Moment of inertia, Cg, balance, and physics varies greatly from design to design. Some of these new designs are beyond the comprehension of most of us here.
The problem here is that people don't like to look uninformed and lacking intelligence. But unless one is educated in these areas, it isn't going to be understandable. People here have to GET OVER IT!! If it was simple, someone else would have done it already, whatever new technology from whomever (fill in the blank).
Maybe we should just embrace and enjoy what comes in golf, We don't seem to long for Black and white little 12" round tubed Televisions or great big cabinet stereos. Would you rather fly across country in a twin prop plane or a luxury Jetliner? Phone booth on the corner or a cell phone that works like a compouter that fits into your pocket? Do we have to understand how this works when 40 years ago a computer that does less required a room to house it.
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is your hotel pager friendly? im not getting a sig on my beeper. do you have a pay phone bank?

ok back on track, i did a review of these irons and tried explaining to every 4th member who posted that it was all about the launch not the loft. no one wants to hear it since they dont understand
[/quote]
Hopefully my description of these issues will be seen by more that somehow seem to refuse to understand what is what.
I understand the pain!

[gprointraining]

Wonder what % of Tmade's tour contingency will be gaming Rbladez this year?