


What really controls the clubface during the swing?
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:00 PM

#2
Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:13 PM
a) it's causing the ball not to go where you want it
OR
b) someone said it doesn't look pretty
#3
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:09 AM
#4
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:39 AM
You stated what happens when you take the club back on different paths, but you ignored what is happening with your right elbow. The more upright your swing the more likely you are to fly the right elbow, and a flying right elbow usually results in a cupped left wrist which means an open clubface at the top. The opposite is true for a flat backswing.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:55 AM

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:57 AM
#7
Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:06 AM
armydiver, on 22 November 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:
If your left wrist is cupped at address and flat at the top, then the clubface is closed at the top regardless of swing path. It is a matter of geometry. The strength of the right hand grip does not change the relation of the left wrist to the clubface.
Are you sure you are moving the way you feel you are moving?
Edited by northgolf, 22 November 2012 - 01:10 AM.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:54 AM
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:55 AM

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:07 AM

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:05 AM
#12
Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:20 AM
lookma_nobackswing, on 22 November 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:
northgolf, on 22 November 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:
You stated what happens when you take the club back on different paths, but you ignored what is happening with your right elbow. The more upright your swing the more likely you are to fly the right elbow, and a flying right elbow usually results in a cupped left wrist which means an open clubface at the top. The opposite is true for a flat backswing.
wouldn't a higher right elbow close the clubface at the top? pitch vs punch elbow.
Yes, this is what I experience. The part that is messing me up; is that I thought grip was supposed to play such a big part in this.
#13
Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:53 AM
armydiver, on 22 November 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:
Flat left wrist is not actually a position, its sum of forces and very much dependent of inner circle acceleration and deceleration. Whatever you try to do with the wrist, the other forces overtakes it.
The other thing is also that you can have flat wrist with strong or neutral or weak grip, but it changes the direction to what it's flat. Moving from cupped to flat or bowed will close the face if everything else around that remains the same. So for example if you got cupped left wrist at address, you have to have your left forearm more pronated at impact with flat wrist than it was at address.
Not too simple geometry there, but I hope you get the idea.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:11 AM
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:14 AM

#16
Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:28 AM
When you change your grip you often have to make other compensations in your upper body to realize the positive affects of the change. Obviously every part of your body is connected and when you change one it has an impact on the others.
The other factor it is often times the subconscious mind jumps in to try and fix some of the things you are trying change ( sub conscious compensation) to get back to its previous comfort zone. This is why it is so difficult to make even a subtle change stick long term and become consistent.
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#17
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:08 PM
In general, the more upright you will see more "toe down"...
...the more flat you will see more "face up"...
The more UP your lead arm goes, the less pronation of forearm, the more AROUND your lead arm goes the more it pronates...
#18
Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:43 PM
mikpga, on 22 November 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:
...the more flat you will see more "face up"...
The more UP your lead arm goes, the less pronation of forearm, the more AROUND your lead arm goes the more it pronates...
Sorry, but that's not true if we follow official definitions. Pronation is only the rotation of the forearm, never used for whole arm. Flat swing is mainly produced by internal rotation of the lead shoulder and adduction of the arm. Pronation got not much to do with that
#19
Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:19 PM
TeeAce, on 22 November 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:
mikpga, on 22 November 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:
...the more flat you will see more "face up"...
The more UP your lead arm goes, the less pronation of forearm, the more AROUND your lead arm goes the more it pronates...
Sorry, but that's not true if we follow official definitions. Pronation is only the rotation of the forearm, never used for whole arm. Flat swing is mainly produced by internal rotation of the lead shoulder and adduction of the arm. Pronation got not much to do with that
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

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