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[dsm913]

Aside from Pavin and McNulty still using Bullseyes, who, on tour, is using really old drivers or irons - like 10 years or older?

[Ness]

Tom Lehman is on the Champions Tour, but I think he has a Cobra long iron that is pretty old. As far as the regular tour goes, there probably aren't too many people with stuff older than ten years. Chris Riley still games a super old Ping Anser from time to time.

[jmck]

Langer's still playing the '99 model Apex blades, but only in the long irons.  I believe all of his irons have Apex shafts that are even older than the Apex long irons.  Go figure.

[monkeynaut]

Doesn't the groove rule take a lot of older clubs out of play?

Clubs over 25* must conform. Not sure too many people want to sacrifice forgiveness on long irons.

Edited by monkeynaut, 21 November 2012 - 11:57 AM.

[JBIRD72]

I think J.B. HOLMES, still plays a set of COBRA PRO CB's, and these have been out for a while now.........GREAT CLUBS...BTW

[Br1an02;]

Tim Herron still uses an r7 425 TP

[llamont]

monkeynaut, on 21 November 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Doesn't the groove rule take a lot of older clubs out of play?

Clubs over 25* must conform. Not sure too many people want to sacrifice forgiveness on long irons.

A lot of older pre-2010 irons were banned because of the non-conforming grooves. However, many of the OEMs produced conforming heads, of the non-conforming retail heads, for their staff (ie, Martin Kaymer's TMag RAC TP MBs and Mark Calcavecia's Ping I5 irons).   And many tour pros and better players opt for feel and response over forgiveness. They don't miss the sweet spot often so why sacrifice feel?

[freeflyer14]

Not as prevalent with the irons and drivers due to the technological advances, groove rule, sponsor demands, etc.  Older fairway woods however are quite common.

[cgasucks]

I know that Scott Mccarron still uses Ping I3+ despite being a TM player..

[monkeynaut]

llamont, on 21 November 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

monkeynaut, on 21 November 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Doesn't the groove rule take a lot of older clubs out of play?

Clubs over 25* must conform. Not sure too many people want to sacrifice forgiveness on long irons.

A lot of older pre-2010 irons were banned because of the non-conforming grooves. However, many of the OEMs produced conforming heads, of the non-conforming retail heads, for their staff (ie, Martin Kaymer's TMag RAC TP MBs and Mark Calcavecia's Ping I5 irons).   And many tour pros and better players opt for feel and response over forgiveness. They don't miss the sweet spot often so why sacrifice feel?

But if its got the new grooves, is it still really on older club?

[llamont]

monkeynaut, on 21 November 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

llamont, on 21 November 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

monkeynaut, on 21 November 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Doesn't the groove rule take a lot of older clubs out of play?

Clubs over 25* must conform. Not sure too many people want to sacrifice forgiveness on long irons.

A lot of older pre-2010 irons were banned because of the non-conforming grooves. However, many of the OEMs produced conforming heads, of the non-conforming retail heads, for their staff (ie, Martin Kaymer's TMag RAC TP MBs and Mark Calcavecia's Ping I5 irons).   And many tour pros and better players opt for feel and response over forgiveness. They don't miss the sweet spot often so why sacrifice feel?

But if its got the new grooves, is it still really on older club?

Well, yes and no if you want to be technical. Yes because the actual aesthetics (badge, design, etc.) are identical to the "older" non-conforming heads. No because the face of the clubs have been modified with different grooves in order to stay in compliance.

[Lefty1987]

Phil has been using a titleist 4 wood from 2003 for the past few months

[wobgon]

monkeynaut, on 21 November 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

llamont, on 21 November 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

monkeynaut, on 21 November 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Doesn't the groove rule take a lot of older clubs out of play?

Clubs over 25* must conform. Not sure too many people want to sacrifice forgiveness on long irons.

A lot of older pre-2010 irons were banned because of the non-conforming grooves. However, many of the OEMs produced conforming heads, of the non-conforming retail heads, for their staff (ie, Martin Kaymer's TMag RAC TP MBs and Mark Calcavecia's Ping I5 irons).   And many tour pros and better players opt for feel and response over forgiveness. They don't miss the sweet spot often so why sacrifice feel?

But if its got the new grooves, is it still really on older club?

A lot of the older irons have conforming grooves, Example, my cleveland ta-3 form forged.

[llamont]

^^^ that too

[Fore_Man]

Not sure of exact years, but bubba's irons are old by wrx standards.

[llamont]

The grooves on Bubba's S59 irons were modified to conform to the USGA's conditions of competition. The retail S59 irons do not conform.

[markp]

jmck, on 21 November 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Langer's still playing the '99 model Apex blades, but only in the long irons.  I believe all of his irons have Apex shafts that are even older than the Apex long irons.  Go figure.

Langer plays A12 pro's 3- pw with satin finish. I'll see if i can find the pic form one of the champions tour events and post it.

[markp]

llamont, on 21 November 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

The grooves on Bubba's S59 irons were modified to conform to the USGA's conditions of competition. The retail S59 irons do not conform.

Ping can still mold these irons in house since there is no tungsten weight in the toe and then modify the grooves, They can also do that with I-10s and    I-5's as well as G-10's and G-5's.