Cleveland, what happened?
Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:53 AM
Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:05 AM
But I do find it odd that we haven't seen really anything for 2013. Last year there was tons of hype about the Classic, which leads me to believe that they don't have anything really big planned for this year.
XHot 3wd 15* PX 6.0
XHot Pro 3hy, X2Hot Pro 4Hy
'09 X Forged 5-PW PX 6.0
Scratch 8620 52*, 56*, 60* KBS Tour
Odyssey Protype #2, Callaway Supersoft
Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:29 AM
Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:53 AM
Callaway Xhot Pro 17*
TM Tour Preferred MC (3-PW)
Vokey SM4 (52, 56, 60)
Scotty Cameron Newport 34"
Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:56 AM
I went to get Mizunos and thought that is what I needed because I played forged irons. Tried them out and they were fine but I also grabbed a Cleveland CG16 just for grins. Wound up going back to it as I tried different clubs and wound up getting them. Very, very pleased with them. The new 588 wedge however, I couldn't come to grips with.
Cleveland makes good stuff, as do lots of manufacturers. Try them out as that is the only way you'll know if they are right for you.
Edited by Willie Malay, 21 November 2012 - 09:57 AM.
Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:27 AM
The gi irons looked pretty clean as well.
Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:59 AM
I'm excited to try the new driver as well as fairway and hybrid myself.
Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:21 PM
Edited by flounder, 21 November 2012 - 12:22 PM.
Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:29 PM
They still make some great stuff, but Srixon releases are really where it's at for this Japanese company.
Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:04 PM
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Mp h5 2i s300
Mp4 3-pw mpt5 5209 5812 s300
Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:57 PM
Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:57 PM
Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:07 PM
The new 3W comes with a Matrix Ozik shaft?
Doesn't Srixon/Cleveland own Miyazaki ? Is Matrix, Cleveland/Srixon owned?
Sounded odd in the clip.
Edited by mdgboxx, 22 November 2012 - 04:08 PM.
3W: Srixon Z-Steel, 12.5° w/SV3005J, stf
5W: Srixon Z-Steel, 18.5° w/SV3005J, stf
IRONS: Ping i20, 3-PW w/CFS reg @ D2
PUTTER: Ping Craz-E iWi, w/2x20gr weight
WEDGES: Ping Glide, 54° SS, 60° TS
Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:39 PM
Actually, a number of Classic heads are straight rip offs of TP Mills (which is where Scotty ripped them from) which is fine by me. Each maker adds something - the Cleveland putters are amazing at the price point. Try buying a Mills or a Scotty for around 100 bucks!
Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:38 PM
One of the problems with Cleveland is that their equipment doesn't really get people excited. They make great, solid stuff, but it's hard to get that equipment into the hands of the masses. Everybody wants Taylormade woods. PING, Mizuno, and Titleist have their brand loyalists. Callaway is a sleeping giant that has huge name recognition and is one big release from moving back to the front. Nike is gaining momentum and really trying new designs.
Where does that leave Cleveland? They don't seem to be pushing design elements. No loyalists that have been using their products for the last 10 years. Their marketing is almost non-existent. Yes, their parent company has lots of cash, but what are they doing with it? The Srixon brand gets push, but where is Cleveland?
They don't seem to have an identity. The namesake of the company works and designs wedges for Callaway for Pete's sake! Callaway is real quick to point out that Roger Cleveland designs their stuff too. Cleveland would be better off dumping the Cleveland name and going pure Srixon. At least they could keep the R&D and build excitement for the Srixon brand.
Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:52 PM
Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:32 PM
They are a wedge company, more or less. They should focus almost all of their attention on making the best commercially available wedges and knock Vokey off that spot. The new 588's were flimsy and had no grind, stock Cleveland shafts were okay but not an aftermarket model which a good player would want. The Cg series wedges were one-dimensional offerings for the Dick's Sports aficionados. The Zip grooves on some models wore away after a single season. If you wanted the full ride, you had to go pay 200 bucks for their custom shop wedges, which is bs. This isn't stuff associated with a company that prides itself on wedges. Callaway and Mizuno are doing a much better job in their wedge offerings, imo. Wilson, too.
I think they should just ditch "Cleveland irons" and let Srixon take the reigns there. The metals have traditionally been great, but they are stuck on the lightweight schtick and the industry has moved beyond that. Go adjustable or go away. Also, the throwback paint is silly. Keep the design, paint it black or white (or green!) and pull down a PGA bomber to advertise it. It worked, but was too out there...
The Never Compromise putters are nice, but honestly the Cleveland Classic series are pretty much just as good. Why put out that standard in the lower price point and have it compete with the upper deck? Still, the NC putters with the goofy poker themes need to go. No wonder everyone is going for the Classic line.
Adams Super LS 15/Kuro Kage Black 70x
Adams Super LS 19, 22/Kuro Kage Silver 80x
Mizuno Mp 53 4-9/Tour Concept s300
Titleist SM4 48, 54, 60/Dynamic Gold r400
Odyssey White Ice #7
Srixon Z-Star XV Yellow
Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:43 AM
Agreed, they are very nice.
The thing with those is...when you compare them for sale at some of the big retailers, you can walk out with new Mizunos for around $100 less and get an extra $100 trade in bonus.
Just didn't seem worth it. I walked in wanting to get a set of the 588 CB's but when I saw the price ($999) I decided it just wasn't worth it when there were other options for less that were just as good. There isn't anything that draws you to them other than wanting the brand.
Edited by Ajlepisto, 26 November 2012 - 01:46 AM.
Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:43 AM
Bridgestone J40 4W 16* Project X 6.0
Bridgestone J40 3H 21* Project X 6.0
Mizuno MP 53 4-PW XP S300
Mizuno T4 52* and 58* S300
Odyssey ProType Black 2 ball
Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:24 PM
Look at the website and I see 10 different iron sets listed. How do I as a consumer sort through that? I go to a Cleveland dealer and they have 3 sets in the store to try. How about dropping half the products and focus on making the remaining few they best they can be.
Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:26 PM
Cleveland is a much better name for an American market than Srixon, so I doubt they'll put all their eggs in that basket.
Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:54 PM
I have a pair with DG Spinner shafts, and honestly I think they might spin too much for me. Hard to get close to a pin when the ball zips back 10-15 feet. Maybe I should just try a different shaft, but regardless... I'm sure lots of people will love them.
Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:39 AM
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