bph7, on 21 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:
I think I made it pretty clear in my post that I did see the wilson "speedpocket" thing and I was pretty clear that taylormade at the very least improved on this idea because, you know, that wilson iron ended up going into obscurity so I'm sure it did not perform as well this current rocketbladez. Will you at least concede that the current rocketbladez can outperform those wilsons? Because if you do, then TMAG has improved on the technology by definition so while the CONCEPT may not be new, the IMPLEMENTATION is better, and isn't that all that counts? So yes, I can see "this" but just don't see why it matters. If you want to change your premise to "well i think the wilson would outperform the tm" than all of your logic follows, otherwise it does not.
No, I don't disagree with you at all in the fact that TM has only advanced the pocket technology, what bugs me is that their claim as "this little thing" as being a brand-new break through technology, I feel for this silly TM marketing hype 2 times before, it's pure crap. Don't get me wrong, the stuff they do is bleeding edge and it may work for some people.
bph7, on 21 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:
And finally, I'm not sure how it can be said that I am drinking the koolaid. I have almost no intention of getting these clubs (don't like the looks) and haven't even tried them (and probably won't anytime soon as I'm not in the market for new irons). I just am tired of people being oversimplistic and the second they see jacked lofts saying "OMG jacked lofts thats the ONLY way they are going to get any more distance this is so stupid TMAG what a bunch of frauds." Sure, jacking lofts does increase distance, but whats to say that maybe some distance comes from jacking the lofts, and maybe a few yards from other technology? Is that possibility really that hard for you to accept? That the top golf company in terms of revenue with a research team working for years can't eventually figure out a way to get a few extra yards out of an iron head? Also, its been explained to you multiple times that they jacked the lofts for a specific reasons (to achieve optimal launch angles for given iron). The OP has basically said that you can drop down an iron from your gamers and expect similar ballflight and results. Assuming he is telling the truth (and I don't see why he wouldn't be) isn't that almost the ideal scenario for how to improve an iron set? I just don't see how you, having not hit them, are so sure that it HAS to be just marketing and loft jacking and smoke and mirrors when there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence to the contrary (sounds like the way one political party felt about the polls before a certain election). On the other hand, I have not hit them, but am just intrigued and excited by the reviews. Whose stance seems more reasonable?
Jacked lofts don't increase distance, that's a myth and apparently that is hard for you to accept or undersand, as you say :p I won't respond to the rest of that paragraph as it appears to be nothing more than personal issues, I can't help you with that. I will say this though, the evidence you speak of happened in the RocketBallz, RBZ, Burner, Burner Plus, Burner 2.0 etc, or at least thats what their marketing said in the past. I will put money on it that the RocketBladez will slide right into this list, this happens every few months and the same reviews pop-up and the same marketing schemes slide right along with it. Like I said, I am not against TM, hell I love TM, my entire bag is TM and I LOVEEE my MC's, it took a few tries to find the right set from them but it bugs me when I see marketing giant pile crap up like this.
I'm not sure why you think either one of our stances are more reasonable. I am not trying to compare anything with you considering we haven't even hit the thing. What is with you and this attack-mode? lol. I am merely having a somewhat sane debate with you based on experience.
Anyway. That was my last response. This is getting nowhere and I can't seem to get a sane discussion without you taking them as a personal attack, I don't think I insulted you, if I did, I apologize.
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