191 replies to this topic

[Pepperturbo]

fairwaysroverated, on 18 November 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

First, a little history about me and my game. I have been playing golf for 2 years now. My strength is ball striking, tee to green. I'm a 16 cap and if I had any kind of short game I would shot well into the 80's consistently. It's not uncommon for me to be just off the green on a par 4 then chili dip a chip and three put for double boogey. Just thinking about that makes me want to pull my hair out, but onto my expirience.

  I recently switched from S56's to MP 59 and 69 combo set up (I used to hit my S56's great just for refference). I have the full set of both clubs, but mix and match according to how I feel that day. Since Ive switched I've been hitting what look to be beautiful shot's in the air and feel great off the face, but always fall short of the green. I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards. Talk about depressing. After this happening consistanly now for about 25 rounds, I realize that even though it feels like I'm hitting the center of the club face I must be just a hair off and it makes a huge difference on the distance.

After I played in a local tournament yesterday and hit only one green with my MP 59 4 iron from 208 yards I went straight from the course to my local golf shop and started comparing my blades to the JPX pro 825's and AP2's. I hit the JPX pro 6 iron consistantly 180 yards with 1 out of every 10 going for 190 plus. Took out my MP 69 6 iron and hit it 170 yards 1 out of every 10, and 1 out of 20 it went 180 yards. The AP2's were about 5 yards shorter than the JPX pro's, but just as consistent.

So I hope this saves someone out there thinking about going to blades and having the question we see on here all to often, "should I play blades" some money. I guess bottom line, if you have to ask wether or not you should play them, you should probably stick with what you have.

Why should your willingness to give up be of value to others???  I understand how you being a 16 handi means missing a lot of greens.  Amazing you don't see its the lack of skill.  All this shows is you either didn't have the needed time to practice, or you chose not to apply the needed practice, which will be needed with other clubs, if you want to be a single digit golfer.

Its posts like this that errantly suggest failed result is the clubs fault.  It should say its the lack of practice.

Edited by Pepperturbo, 20 November 2012 - 01:35 PM.

[1puttwoods]

kellygreen, on 20 November 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

1puttwoods, on 20 November 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

" I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards."

Either Ping makes very average golfers into hero's or you have absolutely no idea how far you hit the ball.

Or he's a strong swinger who has difficulty finding the sweetspot on a bladed iron.

Give this 44 year-old, former power-hitting infielder a ProV1x, and a contemporary strong-lofted 8-iron (Niker VR Split-cavity, 39*, 36.5", and shafted with a C-taper X) I can carry that shot 160 yds in still, summer conditions on flat terrain.

Good for you.

[Daniel Eason]

fairwaysroverated, on 20 November 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

somaplr, on 20 November 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Daniel Eason, on 20 November 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

What about workability? could you work one or the other better to shape shots?

The last thing a 16 hdcp needs to worry about is how to work a ball into a green.

Yeah, I more likely to need to know how to work a ball out of the trees. Which I'm pretty good at, hence the name fairways are over rated. lol

You need a short game lesson then!

Or to not try judging performance on distance ?

[kellygreen]

1puttwoods, on 20 November 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

kellygreen, on 20 November 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

1puttwoods, on 20 November 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

" I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards."

Either Ping makes very average golfers into hero's or you have absolutely no idea how far you hit the ball.

Or he's a strong swinger who has difficulty finding the sweetspot on a bladed iron.

Give this 44 year-old, former power-hitting infielder a ProV1x, and a contemporary strong-lofted 8-iron (Niker VR Split-cavity, 39*, 36.5", and shafted with a C-taper X) I can carry that shot 160 yds in still, summer conditions on flat terrain.

Good for you.

..and you should stop making assumptions about what other people are capable of.

Especially when you know next-to-nothing about them.

[mwkbmw]

Sean2, on 19 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Fairways, I think some folks just got riled up when you said you were a good ball striker but carry a 16 HI. That just doesn't track. When I think of a good ball striker I think of a scratch or plus handicap golfer. Someone who hits a lot of fairways and a ton of greens. Your main message...that GI's are better for your game than blades...seems to have got lost. Just a bit of miscommunication that maybe some people overreacted to.

WRXer's overreact?!! Never, I say.  NEVER!!!

[fairwaysroverated]

Pepperturbo, on 20 November 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

fairwaysroverated, on 18 November 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

First, a little history about me and my game. I have been playing golf for 2 years now. My strength is ball striking, tee to green. I'm a 16 cap and if I had any kind of short game I would shot well into the 80's consistently. It's not uncommon for me to be just off the green on a par 4 then chili dip a chip and three put for double boogey. Just thinking about that makes me want to pull my hair out, but onto my expirience.

  I recently switched from S56's to MP 59 and 69 combo set up (I used to hit my S56's great just for refference). I have the full set of both clubs, but mix and match according to how I feel that day. Since Ive switched I've been hitting what look to be beautiful shot's in the air and feel great off the face, but always fall short of the green. I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards. Talk about depressing. After this happening consistanly now for about 25 rounds, I realize that even though it feels like I'm hitting the center of the club face I must be just a hair off and it makes a huge difference on the distance.

After I played in a local tournament yesterday and hit only one green with my MP 59 4 iron from 208 yards I went straight from the course to my local golf shop and started comparing my blades to the JPX pro 825's and AP2's. I hit the JPX pro 6 iron consistantly 180 yards with 1 out of every 10 going for 190 plus. Took out my MP 69 6 iron and hit it 170 yards 1 out of every 10, and 1 out of 20 it went 180 yards. The AP2's were about 5 yards shorter than the JPX pro's, but just as consistent.

So I hope this saves someone out there thinking about going to blades and having the question we see on here all to often, "should I play blades" some money. I guess bottom line, if you have to ask wether or not you should play them, you should probably stick with what you have.

Why should your willingness to give up be of value to others???  I understand how you being a 16 handi means missing a lot of greens.  Amazing you don't see its the lack of skill.  All this shows is you either didn't have the needed time to practice, or you chose not to apply the needed practice, which will be needed with other clubs, if you want to be a single digit golfer.

Its posts like this that errantly suggest failed result is the clubs fault.  It should say its the lack of practice.

I hit balls every single day

[fairwaysroverated]

1puttwoods, on 20 November 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

" I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards."

Either Ping makes very average golfers into hero's or you have absolutely no idea how far you hit the ball.

Ping I20's do make average golfers look much better than they are. That's what ping is about.

I also have 116 MPH ss with my driver as well, so I am a long hitter when my swing is right. When I startswinging hard I lose my ss and start getting steep attack angles.

[rafal]

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

kg92lefty, on 19 November 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.

That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.

Different length and setup.  On your average course from am tees they hit much higher %.

[the.landshark]

rafal, on 20 November 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

kg92lefty, on 19 November 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.

That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.

Different length and setup.  On your average course from am tees they hit much higher %.

With all due respect, how you (specifically) know how the pro's play on an "average course"? The only real statistics come from the PGA Tour... everything else is speculation. Average golfers do in fact play the same courses on which tour pros compete.

[Pepperturbo]

fairwaysroverated, on 20 November 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Pepperturbo, on 20 November 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

fairwaysroverated, on 18 November 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

First, a little history about me and my game. I have been playing golf for 2 years now. My strength is ball striking, tee to green. I'm a 16 cap and if I had any kind of short game I would shot well into the 80's consistently. It's not uncommon for me to be just off the green on a par 4 then chili dip a chip and three put for double boogey. Just thinking about that makes me want to pull my hair out, but onto my expirience.

  I recently switched from S56's to MP 59 and 69 combo set up (I used to hit my S56's great just for refference). I have the full set of both clubs, but mix and match according to how I feel that day. Since Ive switched I've been hitting what look to be beautiful shot's in the air and feel great off the face, but always fall short of the green. I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards. Talk about depressing. After this happening consistanly now for about 25 rounds, I realize that even though it feels like I'm hitting the center of the club face I must be just a hair off and it makes a huge difference on the distance.

After I played in a local tournament yesterday and hit only one green with my MP 59 4 iron from 208 yards I went straight from the course to my local golf shop and started comparing my blades to the JPX pro 825's and AP2's. I hit the JPX pro 6 iron consistantly 180 yards with 1 out of every 10 going for 190 plus. Took out my MP 69 6 iron and hit it 170 yards 1 out of every 10, and 1 out of 20 it went 180 yards. The AP2's were about 5 yards shorter than the JPX pro's, but just as consistent.

So I hope this saves someone out there thinking about going to blades and having the question we see on here all to often, "should I play blades" some money. I guess bottom line, if you have to ask wether or not you should play them, you should probably stick with what you have.

Why should your willingness to give up be of value to others???  I understand how you being a 16 handi means missing a lot of greens.  Amazing you don't see its the lack of skill.  All this shows is you either didn't have the needed time to practice, or you chose not to apply the needed practice, which will be needed with other clubs, if you want to be a single digit golfer.

Its posts like this that errantly suggest failed result is the clubs fault.  It should say its the lack of practice.

I hit balls every single day

I took up the game at 40... used a new set of Pings off the shelve for 6months before switching to Mizuno blades... reached high single digit inside of "5" years; NOT bragging, fact.  So, you hit balls every single day... for what, maybe months??.  Due to my work environment and being single, I was able to hit upwards of 1500 hundred balls weekly for 3 years.

Obviously, the overall length of your practice time didn't culminate in results you had hoped for.  My investment realized results, hence its NOT the blades fault.  By the way, I don't care what clubs you choose to play.  I just reacted to suggesting it was the clubs fault you missed greens, and not that you are a 16 handi, that simply hasn't put in enough time to realize the greater benefits that come from blades.  Have a good evening.

Edited by Pepperturbo, 20 November 2012 - 08:43 PM.

[NRJyzr]

the.landshark, on 20 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

rafal, on 20 November 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

kg92lefty, on 19 November 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.

That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.

Different length and setup.  On your average course from am tees they hit much higher %.

With all due respect, how you (specifically) know how the pro's play on an "average course"? The only real statistics come from the PGA Tour... everything else is speculation. Average golfers do in fact play the same courses on which tour pros compete.

The point is that you can't make blanket assumptions.

Play a course with huge greens, you'll have more GIR.
Play a course with small greens, you'll have fewer GIR.
Soft greens, more GIR.
Firm greens, fewer GIR.

That's not even accounting for native wind conditions.

There's a lot more to even something like GIR than how well you hit your irons.

[NRJyzr]

fairwaysroverated, on 20 November 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

I also have 116 MPH ss with my driver as well, so I am a long hitter when my swing is right. When I startswinging hard I lose my ss and start getting steep attack angles.

From your quoted distance with the 9 iron, I thought it might be too much spin and/or a shaft fit issue.  Blades appear to spin the ball more than CBs, according to a few sources I've seen, as well as my experience on launch monitors.

C Tapers would maybe help, but a reshaft to those can be heavy coin for what is just an experiment.

[Pepperturbo]

rafal, on 20 November 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

kg92lefty, on 19 November 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.

That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.

Different length and setup.  On your average course from am tees they hit much higher %.

I have played with many touring pros when they are not out on tour.  Our home course was US Open & PGA qualifying, and we always played the back tees, NOT the white or blue tees, and their percentage does change, but not for the reasons you're suggesting.

Difference is non-tour courses do not maintain 12-13 stimp greens, and fast running down grain fairways, which contribute to extra tour distance.  And, being a really good ball striker does not guarantee more GIR; just means trajectory and spin is what the player sought for the shot.  My 2cents.

[fairwaysroverated]

Pepperturbo, on 20 November 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

fairwaysroverated, on 20 November 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Pepperturbo, on 20 November 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

fairwaysroverated, on 18 November 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

First, a little history about me and my game. I have been playing golf for 2 years now. My strength is ball striking, tee to green. I'm a 16 cap and if I had any kind of short game I would shot well into the 80's consistently. It's not uncommon for me to be just off the green on a par 4 then chili dip a chip and three put for double boogey. Just thinking about that makes me want to pull my hair out, but onto my expirience.

  I recently switched from S56's to MP 59 and 69 combo set up (I used to hit my S56's great just for refference). I have the full set of both clubs, but mix and match according to how I feel that day. Since Ive switched I've been hitting what look to be beautiful shot's in the air and feel great off the face, but always fall short of the green. I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards. Talk about depressing. After this happening consistanly now for about 25 rounds, I realize that even though it feels like I'm hitting the center of the club face I must be just a hair off and it makes a huge difference on the distance.

After I played in a local tournament yesterday and hit only one green with my MP 59 4 iron from 208 yards I went straight from the course to my local golf shop and started comparing my blades to the JPX pro 825's and AP2's. I hit the JPX pro 6 iron consistantly 180 yards with 1 out of every 10 going for 190 plus. Took out my MP 69 6 iron and hit it 170 yards 1 out of every 10, and 1 out of 20 it went 180 yards. The AP2's were about 5 yards shorter than the JPX pro's, but just as consistent.

So I hope this saves someone out there thinking about going to blades and having the question we see on here all to often, "should I play blades" some money. I guess bottom line, if you have to ask wether or not you should play them, you should probably stick with what you have.

Why should your willingness to give up be of value to others???  I understand how you being a 16 handi means missing a lot of greens.  Amazing you don't see its the lack of skill.  All this shows is you either didn't have the needed time to practice, or you chose not to apply the needed practice, which will be needed with other clubs, if you want to be a single digit golfer.

Its posts like this that errantly suggest failed result is the clubs fault.  It should say its the lack of practice.

I hit balls every single day

I took up the game at 40... used a new set of Pings off the shelve for 6months before switching to Mizuno blades... reached high single digit inside of "5" years; NOT bragging, fact.  So, you hit balls every single day... for what, maybe months??.  Due to my work environment and being single, I was able to hit upwards of 1500 hundred balls weekly for 3 years.

Obviously, the overall length of your practice time didn't culminate in results you had hoped for.  My investment realized results, hence its NOT the blades fault.  By the way, I don't care what clubs you choose to play.  I just reacted to suggesting it was the clubs fault you missed greens, and not that you are a 16 handi, that simply hasn't put in enough time to realize the greater benefits that come from blades.  Have a good evening.

You were assuming I meant it was the clubs fault, quite the contrary. I was saying I'm not good enough to play blades yet. I'm putting in the work that I can. You sir were making assumtions. The results are coming, but it's not going to happen over night right.

[fairwaysroverated]

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

fairwaysroverated, on 20 November 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

I also have 116 MPH ss with my driver as well, so I am a long hitter when my swing is right. When I startswinging hard I lose my ss and start getting steep attack angles.

From your quoted distance with the 9 iron, I thought it might be too much spin and/or a shaft fit issue.  Blades appear to spin the ball more than CBs, according to a few sources I've seen, as well as my experience on launch monitors.

C Tapers would maybe help, but a reshaft to those can be heavy coin for what is just an experiment.

I put the c tapers in the JPX pros I ordered. I know when I went up to the x stiff shafts in my woods it brought my misses closer into the fairways instead of way out of bounds.

[Sean2]

mwkbmw, on 20 November 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Sean2, on 19 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Fairways, I think some folks just got riled up when you said you were a good ball striker but carry a 16 HI. That just doesn't track. When I think of a good ball striker I think of a scratch or plus handicap golfer. Someone who hits a lot of fairways and a ton of greens. Your main message...that GI's are better for your game than blades...seems to have got lost. Just a bit of miscommunication that maybe some people overreacted to.

WRXer's overreact?!! Never, I say.  NEVER!!!

Ha ha!

[HackerVance]

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

kg92lefty, on 19 November 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.

That is interesting.  I guess the rest of the tour players aren't good ball strikers.

That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.

[rafal]

the.landshark, on 20 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

rafal, on 20 November 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

kg92lefty, on 19 November 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.

That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.

Different length and setup.  On your average course from am tees they hit much higher %.

With all due respect, how you (specifically) know how the pro's play on an "average course"? The only real statistics come from the PGA Tour... everything else is speculation. Average golfers do in fact play the same courses on which tour pros compete.

Less distance and easier setup lead to lower scores and that's highly correlated with more GIRs.  I didn't think that would be controversial but I guess it takes a leap of faith according to you.

This place is becoming a joke.  One basically can't say anything no matter how self-evident without being challenged.

[mweaver84]

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What was the OP expecting from playing blades?
[/quote]

Great question.

Perhaps the adoration of his friends and playing companions?
[/quote]It was more about loving the looks, and yeah I still hope to one day be good enough to play them because it is a status thing I guess. Is something wrong with aspiring to do that?
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Low scores are a status symbol.

Very few low handicappers and even fewer Pros, play blades ... they're generally not conducive to low scoring.
[/quote]

For you, maybe.

They worked for me; shaved a stroke off my index in a month, after switching back to them.
[/quote]

I've shot my 3 lowest scores ever in the last couple months since switching to MP69s.  

As far the OP is concerned, not to sound conceded, but I won't taking advice on what clubs I should play from a 16 hdcp...  They probably have a lot of swing issues to deal with before worrying about clubs.

[the.landshark]

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If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.
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That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.
[/quote]

Different length and setup.  On your average course from am tees they hit much higher %.
[/quote]

With all due respect, how you (specifically) know how the pro's play on an "average course"? The only real statistics come from the PGA Tour... everything else is speculation. Average golfers do in fact play the same courses on which tour pros compete.
[/quote]

This place is becoming a joke.  One basically can't say anything no matter how self-evident without being challenged.
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Okay pal ...the joke about "this place", is more about how some members feel the need to assert their opinions as fact, and are easily offended when another member has a differing opinion. Perhaps it's safer to live in the herd, never question anything, and just say random crap? lol (oh yeah... then get upset when someone calls them out).

The facts, about a PGA Tour pros ball striking ability (according to the PGA Tour website)... is that on average (in competition) they hit about 8 of 14 fairways and 12 of 18 greens in regulation.

[Pepperturbo]

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First, a little history about me and my game. I have been playing golf for 2 years now. My strength is ball striking, tee to green. I'm a 16 cap and if I had any kind of short game I would shot well into the 80's consistently. It's not uncommon for me to be just off the green on a par 4 then chili dip a chip and three put for double boogey. Just thinking about that makes me want to pull my hair out, but onto my expirience.

  I recently switched from S56's to MP 59 and 69 combo set up (I used to hit my S56's great just for refference). I have the full set of both clubs, but mix and match according to how I feel that day. Since Ive switched I've been hitting what look to be beautiful shot's in the air and feel great off the face, but always fall short of the green. I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards. Talk about depressing. After this happening consistanly now for about 25 rounds, I realize that even though it feels like I'm hitting the center of the club face I must be just a hair off and it makes a huge difference on the distance.

After I played in a local tournament yesterday and hit only one green with my MP 59 4 iron from 208 yards I went straight from the course to my local golf shop and started comparing my blades to the JPX pro 825's and AP2's. I hit the JPX pro 6 iron consistantly 180 yards with 1 out of every 10 going for 190 plus. Took out my MP 69 6 iron and hit it 170 yards 1 out of every 10, and 1 out of 20 it went 180 yards. The AP2's were about 5 yards shorter than the JPX pro's, but just as consistent.

So I hope this saves someone out there thinking about going to blades and having the question we see on here all to often, "should I play blades" some money. I guess bottom line, if you have to ask wether or not you should play them, you should probably stick with what you have.
[/quote]

Why should your willingness to give up be of value to others???  I understand how you being a 16 handi means missing a lot of greens.  Amazing you don't see its the lack of skill.  All this shows is you either didn't have the needed time to practice, or you chose not to apply the needed practice, which will be needed with other clubs, if you want to be a single digit golfer.

Its posts like this that errantly suggest failed result is the clubs fault.  It should say its the lack of practice.
[/quote]I hit balls every single day
[/quote]

I took up the game at 40... used a new set of Pings off the shelve for 6months before switching to Mizuno blades... reached high single digit inside of "5" years; NOT bragging, fact.  So, you hit balls every single day... for what, maybe months??.  Due to my work environment and being single, I was able to hit upwards of 1500 hundred balls weekly for 3 years.

Obviously, the overall length of your practice time didn't culminate in results you had hoped for.  My investment realized results, hence its NOT the blades fault.  By the way, I don't care what clubs you choose to play.  I just reacted to suggesting it was the clubs fault you missed greens, and not that you are a 16 handi, that simply hasn't put in enough time to realize the greater benefits that come from blades.  Have a good evening.
[/quote]You were assuming I meant it was the clubs fault, quite the contrary. I was saying I'm not good enough to play blades yet. I'm putting in the work that I can. You sir were making assumtions. The results are coming, but it's not going to happen over night right.
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I re-read your 1st post... and find it interesting you claim "My strength is ball striking, tee to green. I'm a 16 cap... if I had a short-game, then.."  Yet, you're loosing distance with certain clubs, and claim greater distance with another design.  Sounds like an overstatement of ball striking skill for a 16.  Sixteen index seldom hit greens, regardless of the club design in hand.

I always chuckle when someone says if I had this, I would be that.    No, I am not assuming anything.  Just using my command of the English language and subject matter experience to interpret the implications of your statements.  Blades are only seen as status symbols in discussion groups.  On the course, they are tools that allow some of us greater distance and ball control.  If you want to enjoy that, then you need to put in more time with that style of club, and expect to miss greens.  Good luck...

[fairwaysroverated]

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First, a little history about me and my game. I have been playing golf for 2 years now. My strength is ball striking, tee to green. I'm a 16 cap and if I had any kind of short game I would shot well into the 80's consistently. It's not uncommon for me to be just off the green on a par 4 then chili dip a chip and three put for double boogey. Just thinking about that makes me want to pull my hair out, but onto my expirience.

  I recently switched from S56's to MP 59 and 69 combo set up (I used to hit my S56's great just for refference). I have the full set of both clubs, but mix and match according to how I feel that day. Since Ive switched I've been hitting what look to be beautiful shot's in the air and feel great off the face, but always fall short of the green. I've gone from hitting my I20 9 iron 160 yards, to my S56 9 iron 150 yard, to my MP 69 9 iron 135 yards. Talk about depressing. After this happening consistanly now for about 25 rounds, I realize that even though it feels like I'm hitting the center of the club face I must be just a hair off and it makes a huge difference on the distance.

After I played in a local tournament yesterday and hit only one green with my MP 59 4 iron from 208 yards I went straight from the course to my local golf shop and started comparing my blades to the JPX pro 825's and AP2's. I hit the JPX pro 6 iron consistantly 180 yards with 1 out of every 10 going for 190 plus. Took out my MP 69 6 iron and hit it 170 yards 1 out of every 10, and 1 out of 20 it went 180 yards. The AP2's were about 5 yards shorter than the JPX pro's, but just as consistent.

So I hope this saves someone out there thinking about going to blades and having the question we see on here all to often, "should I play blades" some money. I guess bottom line, if you have to ask wether or not you should play them, you should probably stick with what you have.
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Why should your willingness to give up be of value to others???  I understand how you being a 16 handi means missing a lot of greens.  Amazing you don't see its the lack of skill.  All this shows is you either didn't have the needed time to practice, or you chose not to apply the needed practice, which will be needed with other clubs, if you want to be a single digit golfer.

Its posts like this that errantly suggest failed result is the clubs fault.  It should say its the lack of practice.
[/quote]I hit balls every single day
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I took up the game at 40... used a new set of Pings off the shelve for 6months before switching to Mizuno blades... reached high single digit inside of "5" years; NOT bragging, fact.  So, you hit balls every single day... for what, maybe months??.  Due to my work environment and being single, I was able to hit upwards of 1500 hundred balls weekly for 3 years.

Obviously, the overall length of your practice time didn't culminate in results you had hoped for.  My investment realized results, hence its NOT the blades fault.  By the way, I don't care what clubs you choose to play.  I just reacted to suggesting it was the clubs fault you missed greens, and not that you are a 16 handi, that simply hasn't put in enough time to realize the greater benefits that come from blades.  Have a good evening.
[/quote]You were assuming I meant it was the clubs fault, quite the contrary. I was saying I'm not good enough to play blades yet. I'm putting in the work that I can. You sir were making assumtions. The results are coming, but it's not going to happen over night right.
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I re-read your 1st post... and find it interesting you claim "My strength is ball striking, tee to green. I'm a 16 cap... if I had a short-game, then.."  Yet, you're loosing distance with certain clubs, and claim greater distance with another design.  Sounds like an overstatement of ball striking skill for a 16.  Sixteen index seldom hit greens, regardless of the club design in hand.

I always chuckle when someone says if I had this, I would be that.    No, I am not assuming anything.  Just using my command of the English language and subject matter experience to interpret the implications of your statements.  Blades are only seen as status symbols in discussion groups.  On the course, they are tools that allow some of us greater distance and ball control.  If you want to enjoy that, then you need to put in more time with that style of club, and expect to miss greens.  Good luck...
[/quote]About halfway through these replies I found out what good ball striking was which turned out to be another discussion for to other guys on here. I was simply meaning that I hit the ball clean everytime and in the center of the club. However I still struggle with getting into bad habbits like getting really steep on my attack and cutting across the ball, and it takes me a while to figure out how to get out of them. I just figured out today what I've been doing wrong and got my distances back with the MP59's.

Basically all I was trying to do is tell my story so other guys like me could read the experience and if they were thinking about making a similar move maybe either save them some money or they go through with the choice anyway. Just sharing the experience, but it seems people on here get offended by it for what ever reason. I think people loose social skills when they talk on forums becuase if they spoke to people the same ways in real life they would deffinitely struggle.

[dunn]

the.landshark, on 20 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

rafal, on 20 November 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

kg92lefty said:

If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.

That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.

Different length and setup.  On your average course from am tees they hit much higher %.

With all due respect, how you (specifically) know how the pro's play on an "average course"? The only real statistics come from the PGA Tour... everything else is speculation. Average golfers
do in fact play the same courses on which tour pros compete.

no they don't...... Course is set up completely different than it is on a day to day basis and usually lengthened......

I played same course setup for pro tourney and it is not even comparable

7500 yd on tour vs 6500-6900 avg course or less

We have a few PGA players play my home course and they absolutely light it up......wedges into most par 4's........bigger fwy, shorter holes, softer greens with less undulation.......l

Their stats most certainly go up on standard
everyday courses.........these aren't even the big dogs on tour and they still are unbelievable

Not really even logical to think they wouldn't score better on easier courses.....

PGA tournament courses are no joke, when set up for PGA tour play

[rafal]

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If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.
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That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.
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Different length and setup.  On your average course from am tees they hit much higher %.
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With all due respect, how you (specifically) know how the pro's play on an "average course"? The only real statistics come from the PGA Tour... everything else is speculation. Average golfers do in fact play the same courses on which tour pros compete.
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This place is becoming a joke.  One basically can't say anything no matter how self-evident without being challenged.
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Okay pal ...the joke about "this place", is more about how some members feel the need to assert their opinions as fact, and are easily offended when another member has a differing opinion. Perhaps it's safer to live in the herd, never question anything, and just say random crap? lol (oh yeah... then get upset when someone calls them out).

The facts, about a PGA Tour pros ball striking ability (according to the PGA Tour website)... is that on average (in competition) they hit about 8 of 14 fairways and 12 of 18 greens in regulation.
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Saying that your GIR changes when you move from 7200 down to 6400 is random crap? Get out.

[78blades]

fairwaysroverated, on 18 November 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

The only reason I typed this post up is to try and help out a fellow golfer if he's thinking about making the same mistake as I made. I wasn't so much looking for advise on how to improve my game. I know what it takes and unfortunately it takes allot of time and practice. I have a mat and net in my back yard and a chipping net, but being an only parent and commuting to work everyday kind of make it hard to practice any more than hit about 50 balls a night into my net.

Any way, I hope this helped open some ones eyes. I know mine are open now.

It is admirable that you want to help other new golfers and having been where you are at now, 10 yrs ago I understand your enthusiasm. However in retrospect I've found that each golfer needs to learn this stuff for themselves in their own way; it sticks much better that way. Now there are those ppl who golf, and they will never grasp this stuff.

I'd suggest what other poster have said; find a set of club & shaft combination you like and that work good for you and practice with those. I'm a 8.7 hc now and when I look back at some of the stuff I posted when I first starting golfing I feel like Homer Simpson, DOH.

To correlate ball striking to hc, which isn't necessarily a straight or really good comparison, I'd say around a 12 hc one is starting to get into good ball striking. IMO of course.

[BallPincher]

NRJyzr, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

kg92lefty, on 19 November 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

If you aren't hitting 12+ greens you are not a good ballstriker.

That's a level that only 46 players on the PGA Tour managed in 2012 (66.67%).

Interesting comment.

Eh I'm with kg92lefty. I think a season average of 12 is a great number (possibly depending on the cause of the 6 missed greens), perhaps even higher if you're playing a track that defends itself with tiered or fast greens rather than small or inaccessible greens. It's unfair to compare PGA Tour courses with the average muni. Pros are facing longer courses, healthier rough, generally less receptive greens, difficult pin positions, and (perhaps most importantly) pros shoot at these difficult pin positions because they know statistically, their world-class short games allow them to get up and down even when short sided or in a bunker often enough that chasing pins results in a net to-par improvement.

fairwaysroverated, on 20 November 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

You were assuming I meant it was the clubs fault, quite the contrary. I was saying I'm not good enough to play blades yet. I'm putting in the work that I can. You sir were making assumtions. The results are coming, but it's not going to happen over night right.

fairwaysroverated, don't bother arguing any more with PepperTurbo. You're getting the same condescending treatment everyone gets. Just gotta let some guys have a moment...
It seems like you're on the right track, best of luck to you with improving your game!

Edited by BallPincher, 21 November 2012 - 11:23 PM.

[WilburnLong]

Was gonna start another thread but my observation is about a similar experience in trying players iron so ill just put it in here.  Little background, started playing consistently 2 years ago and get to play about 2 times a month with a handicap around 19. Was playing G15 irons and was becoming more and more frustrated the more I played, a massive pull hook was ruining my game.   As an expireiment I bought some Nike Victory Red split cavities from a WRX'r because I wanted to try dynamic gold shafts and to see what my results would be with a more challenging iron.  Surprisingly my pull hook has turned to a slight pull or dead straight and I have played my best ball striking rounds since I put them in the bag.  I'm hitting the ball straighter and more flush than I ever did with the G15's and even with the lower launching shaft I'm still hitting the ball high, even replaced my g20 hybrid with the Nike 3-iron.  What i took from this is play to play what you like, you may get suprising results, everyone doesnt have the same experince.  This is not a players iron vs. game improvement argument just giving some honest feedback on some results that honestly surprised me.

Edited by WilburnLong, 22 November 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[fairwaysroverated]

WilburnLong, on 22 November 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

Was gonna start another thread but my observation is about a similar experience in trying players iron so ill just put it in here.  Little background, started playing consistently 2 years ago and get to play about 2 times a month with a handicap around 19. Was playing G15 irons and was becoming more and more frustrated the more I played, a massive pull hook was ruining my game.   As an expireiment I bought some Nike Victory Red split cavities from a WRX'r because I wanted to try dynamic gold shafts and to see what my results would be with a more challenging iron.  Surprisingly my pull hook has turned to a slight pull or dead straight and I have played my best ball striking rounds since I put them in the bag.  I'm hitting the ball straighter and more flush than I ever did with the G15's and even with the lower launching shaft I'm still hitting the ball high, even replaced my g20 hybrid with the Nike 3-iron.  What i took from this is play to play what you like, you may get suprising results, everyone doesnt have the same experince.  This is not a players iron vs. game improvement argument just giving some honest feedback on some results that honestly surprised me.

I hear those victory splits are some good clubs. I'm glad to see those helped out. I'm not sure I could play the g series from ping. They are tough to look at but allot of people like them. What I was refering to was more of blades than players clubs. I'm begining to hit my MP59 good now. I just don't have confidence with my 69's approaching a green with water right in front. Honestly I don't know how much of a difference there is between the blades and like a victory split. They seem pretty close, maybe just a tad more forgiveness.
I guess bottom line being confident is more important than what your actually hitting the ball with. Thanks for the post

[EK16]

Anyone can play with whatever they like, but the cavity helps get the ball in the air, fly straighter, and reduces distance loss on mishits.

Edited by EK16, 30 November 2012 - 05:03 PM.

[mosesgolf]

@!@@##$##ing cavity backs!!!!!!! My cb experiment is over.  Gone back to blades.   Cally TA Proto blades and Mizzy MP 67's w/Project X 6.5's are my gamers.  They're not any shorter cb's and I just score better with them.  From a personal perspective, blades just give me better control and consistency.  To each his own.  These blades vs cavity back threads always end up in bickering.