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#31 Sean2

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:17 PM

View Postheavybladed, on 16 November 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 16 November 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

Again, I always thought Mr. Daly was judged a bit too harshly. Then again, I was a counselor for kids who had severe emotional and behavioral problems in an alternative high school. Maybe I just see him a bit differently.

I saw the Feherety episode with JD. Apparently his old man used to get drunk and beat the hell out of him and his brother. Things like that often do irreparable damage to a child. It always sounded more accurate to me when deep rooted issues are referred to as demons.
I didn't know that Heavy, but it would explain a lot. It's amazing how that self-destructiveness is nothing more than a form of self-punishment (the individual may not even know he is doing it, i.e., punishing himself). That form of self-loathing is ingrained at an early age by an abusive parent(s).

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:49 PM

John Daly in my mind, is and always be a drunk, a quitter and a baby.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

View Postmonkeynaut, on 17 November 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

Okay.  I think the big problem is people are looking at this wrong.

I would submit that Daly has actually  OVERACHIEVED.  He's an imbecile and a drunk who can hit a ball far and on occasion keep it in play. On rarer occasions he can maintain a modicum of focus for four days in a row.   That he has 2 Majors when so many more consistent players have none is a monumental achievement.  

I have criticized him  in the past. Perhaps my criticism was unwarranted. I think less than wasting his talents and blowing opportunities at winning, maybe we should be praising his ability to stay in the public eye for so long.
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:58 PM

View Post1puttwoods, on 24 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

John Daly in my mind, is and always be a drunk, a quitter and a baby.

I'm sure this breaks him up inside.
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:02 PM

View PostVindog, on 24 November 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

View Post1puttwoods, on 24 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

John Daly in my mind, is and always be a drunk, a quitter and a baby.

I'm sure this breaks him up inside.
Sure he will never be the same if he reads this. Too bad he has never done anything in the world of golf.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:06 PM

View Post1puttwoods, on 24 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

John Daly in my mind, is and always be a drunk, a quitter and a baby.
Obviously you're a very empathetic individual.
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:32 PM

View PostBob_golf1, on 16 November 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

View PostGuia, on 16 November 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Some people a just self destructive, they are called losers.
Yor are the loser or judging others

You are correct, he is infallible. I saw him walk on water once after hitting 34 balls into it.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:49 PM

View PostRob631, on 24 November 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

You are correct, he is infallible. I saw him walk on water once after hitting 34 balls into it.

Tell me he at least turned it into wine afterwards, right?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:11 PM

Yes, he did walk on water!  He filled up the lake with balls so the water was only 2 inches deep

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:42 PM

View PostSean2, on 24 November 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

View Post1puttwoods, on 24 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

John Daly in my mind, is and always be a drunk, a quitter and a baby.
Obviously you're a very empathetic individual.
I'm a narcissistic person, sorry......actually I'm not....sorry that is.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:29 PM

View Post1puttwoods, on 24 November 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 24 November 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

View Post1puttwoods, on 24 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

John Daly in my mind, is and always be a drunk, a quitter and a baby.
Obviously you're a very empathetic individual.
I'm a narcissistic person, sorry......actually I'm not....sorry that is.
Well, a narcissist wouldn't apologize anyway. :-)

Though, I don't know what being a narcissist has to do with your previous comment about Mr. Daly.
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:18 PM

One of the beauties of life is that we get to live our lives as we choose.  JD's choices landed him 2 majors, a lot of interesting experiences and one heck of a good time along the way.

Yes, he made bad decisions and did a lot of stupid stuff but I get really tired of these kind of threads and this mamby pamby apologistic life that the perpetual do-gooders try to impose on everyone else.

The real psychos are those that demand that JD grovel at the public's feet whenever he does something stupid in a public way.  I'd like to see more people stand up to these psychopathic authoritarians and tell them to "F - off" when they start imposing their faux outrage and apology demands.

We used to celebrate oddballs and screw ups in this country as long as they performed.  Guys like Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle who played hungover countless times and probably did a lot more crazy stuff than JD.

One reason that JD still has a huge legion of fans is because he's not one of the milquetoast, "let me give a canned PC answer to every question" automatons that litter modern society and sports.  Thanks goodness that there are still people that appreciate someone who "did it his way" even if that way was littered with bad decisions.  Two more majors than Westwood, Donald or Garcia.  So yes, in some ways he could be considered an over achiever!

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:22 PM

View Posthoganfan924, on 24 November 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

One of the beauties of life is that we get to live our lives as we choose.  JD's choices landed him 2 majors, a lot of interesting experiences and one heck of a good time along the way.

Yes, he made bad decisions and did a lot of stupid stuff but I get really tired of these kind of threads and this mamby pamby apologistic life that the perpetual do-gooders try to impose on everyone else.

The real psychos are those that demand that JD grovel at the public's feet whenever he does something stupid in a public way.  I'd like to see more people stand up to these psychopathic authoritarians and tell them to "F - off" when they start imposing their faux outrage and apology demands.

We used to celebrate oddballs and screw ups in this country as long as they performed.  Guys like Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle who played hungover countless times and probably did a lot more crazy stuff than JD.

One reason that JD still has a huge legion of fans is because he's not one of the milquetoast, "let me give a canned PC answer to every question" automatons that litter modern society and sports.  Thanks goodness that there are still people that appreciate someone who "did it his way" even if that way was littered with bad decisions.  Two more majors than Westwood, Donald or Garcia.  So yes, in some ways he could be considered an over achiever!
Well said!

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:22 PM

View Posthoganfan924, on 24 November 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

One of the beauties of life is that we get to live our lives as we choose.  JD's choices landed him 2 majors, a lot of interesting experiences and one heck of a good time along the way.

Yes, he made bad decisions and did a lot of stupid stuff but I get really tired of these kind of threads and this mamby pamby apologistic life that the perpetual do-gooders try to impose on everyone else.

The real psychos are those that demand that JD grovel at the public's feet whenever he does something stupid in a public way.  I'd like to see more people stand up to these psychopathic authoritarians and tell them to "F - off" when they start imposing their faux outrage and apology demands.

We used to celebrate oddballs and screw ups in this country as long as they performed.  Guys like Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle who played hungover countless times and probably did a lot more crazy stuff than JD.

One reason that JD still has a huge legion of fans is because he's not one of the milquetoast, "let me give a canned PC answer to every question" automatons that litter modern society and sports.  Thanks goodness that there are still people that appreciate someone who "did it his way" even if that way was littered with bad decisions.  Two more majors than Westwood, Donald or Garcia.  So yes, in some ways he could be considered an over achiever!
Babe and The Mick delivered significantly more than Daly.  

But if you're wanting a good baseball analogy Jose Canseco works.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

View Postmonkeynaut, on 24 November 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

View Posthoganfan924, on 24 November 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

One of the beauties of life is that we get to live our lives as we choose.  JD's choices landed him 2 majors, a lot of interesting experiences and one heck of a good time along the way.

Yes, he made bad decisions and did a lot of stupid stuff but I get really tired of these kind of threads and this mamby pamby apologistic life that the perpetual do-gooders try to impose on everyone else.

The real psychos are those that demand that JD grovel at the public's feet whenever he does something stupid in a public way.  I'd like to see more people stand up to these psychopathic authoritarians and tell them to "F - off" when they start imposing their faux outrage and apology demands.

We used to celebrate oddballs and screw ups in this country as long as they performed.  Guys like Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle who played hungover countless times and probably did a lot more crazy stuff than JD.

One reason that JD still has a huge legion of fans is because he's not one of the milquetoast, "let me give a canned PC answer to every question" automatons that litter modern society and sports.  Thanks goodness that there are still people that appreciate someone who "did it his way" even if that way was littered with bad decisions.  Two more majors than Westwood, Donald or Garcia.  So yes, in some ways he could be considered an over achiever!
Babe and The Mick delivered significantly more than Daly.  

But if you're wanting a good baseball analogy Jose Canseco works.

Yes, I appreciate the spirit of hogans post.

But Ruth and Mantle could

"Hold their liquor" and "be a man at night and be a man in the morning"

JD can't.

And as monkey said, numbers don't lie.

Mantle and Ruth, even with all their partying delivered the equivalent of

18 Majors a piece.



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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 24 November 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

View Postmonkeynaut, on 24 November 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

View Posthoganfan924, on 24 November 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

One of the beauties of life is that we get to live our lives as we choose.  JD's choices landed him 2 majors, a lot of interesting experiences and one heck of a good time along the way.

Yes, he made bad decisions and did a lot of stupid stuff but I get really tired of these kind of threads and this mamby pamby apologistic life that the perpetual do-gooders try to impose on everyone else.

The real psychos are those that demand that JD grovel at the public's feet whenever he does something stupid in a public way.  I'd like to see more people stand up to these psychopathic authoritarians and tell them to "F - off" when they start imposing their faux outrage and apology demands.

We used to celebrate oddballs and screw ups in this country as long as they performed.  Guys like Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle who played hungover countless times and probably did a lot more crazy stuff than JD.

One reason that JD still has a huge legion of fans is because he's not one of the milquetoast, "let me give a canned PC answer to every question" automatons that litter modern society and sports.  Thanks goodness that there are still people that appreciate someone who "did it his way" even if that way was littered with bad decisions.  Two more majors than Westwood, Donald or Garcia.  So yes, in some ways he could be considered an over achiever!
Babe and The Mick delivered significantly more than Daly.  

But if you're wanting a good baseball analogy Jose Canseco works.

Yes, I appreciate the spirit of hogans post.

But Ruth and Mantle could

"Hold their liquor" and "be a man at night and be a man in the morning"

JD can't.

And as monkey said, numbers don't lie.

Mantle and Ruth, even with all their partying delivered the equivalent of

18 Majors a piece.
I think his point would be the same if JD had never won an event at all. Point was not to compare his accomplishments to Mantle and Ruth, more that they were all free spirits who lived thier lives on thier own terms, not to please those who wanted them to conduct themselves in a particular manner.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:33 PM

If he won it wouldn't matter how he lives his life.  But he can't hold his liquor AND win.  

Drink and play and win.  Fine.  
Don't drink and play and win.  Fine.  
Drink and play and lose?  Then people will say "The dude can't handle his drink and game.  What a waste. "

He's got talent as a golfer.  He just sucks as a boozer.
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:54 PM

I'm just happy he hasn't killed himself. People are interested in him good, bad or indifferent; so I guess he has done something for golf. I like to see him do well.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:33 AM

View Postdeasy55, on 17 November 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

The main difference between Daly and Janzen is that Daly has a tour card

Daly is rather fortunate to keep his card due to random invites.

With respect to Janzen, he also does have a Players Championship under his belt.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:29 AM

woof...

I know a couple of folks that would be wise to keep their comedy off the road, lol

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:50 AM

View Postmonkeynaut, on 24 November 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

If he won it wouldn't matter how he lives his life.  But he can't hold his liquor AND win.  

Drink and play and win.  Fine.  
Don't drink and play and win.  Fine.  
Drink and play and lose?  Then people will say "The dude can't handle his drink and game.  What a waste. "

He's got talent as a golfer.  He just sucks as a boozer.


You do realise he has been sober for quite some time now, right?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:12 AM

View PostGarrett77, on 25 November 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

View Postmonkeynaut, on 24 November 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

If he won it wouldn't matter how he lives his life.  But he can't hold his liquor AND win.  

Drink and play and win.  Fine.  
Don't drink and play and win.  Fine.  
Drink and play and lose?  Then people will say "The dude can't handle his drink and game.  What a waste. "

He's got talent as a golfer.  He just sucks as a boozer.


You do realise he has been sober for quite some time now, right?

Daly obviously has a hugely addictive personality and if he's winning his battle with alcohol/gambling then that is a significant achievement in its own right. Oh, and before anyone pipes in saying millions of people stay sober all time, please go jump in a lake, thanks.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:06 PM

I don't think he wasted his golf talent, golf has given him alot. I think he wasted his life talents. He does a lot of good and seems to be a guy's guy.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:07 PM

View PostSTEC, on 10 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

I don't think he wasted his golf talent, golf has given him alot. I think he wasted his life talents. He does a lot of good and seems to be a guy's guy.

"A guy's guy"
Really?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:27 PM

View Post1puttwoods, on 24 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

John Daly in my mind, is and always be a drunk, a quitter and a baby.

Well he did quit drinking.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

View PostShrapnac, on 13 December 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

View Post1puttwoods, on 24 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

John Daly in my mind, is and always be a drunk, a quitter and a baby.

Well he did quit drinking.

Killed two birds with one stone!

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:23 PM

People have their ups and downs and he can still play on tour levels just not rip it up and win events! As far as throwing clubs it is a pro sport that smoking cigars use to be allowed while playing...what sport have you ever seen that in before and was that good for children to see?!? Bo Jackson was an amazing athlete all around and snapped bats over his head and knees when striking out in baseball. They are men and some times tempers get the best of them!




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