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Are Golfers Athlete's or should the be treated differently ??


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#61 keiko

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:40 PM

yes, golfers are athletes but some are minimal and others are high level. They should be treated differently because they are different, some are stupid, some are smart, others well you get my point.
Anyway, golf is no different than any other sport from that aspect; as long as human beings play it, it requires a certain amount of physical and mental acuity. To achieve this acuity, some go all out with their training and conditioning and others just try to get by on being able to walk 5 miles and swing a club 72 times all within 4 or 5 hours.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

View PostRock Chalk Jayhawk, on 18 November 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

If you want to be a good father, you will force your son to practice, and you will berate him when he fails.  I have found it best to constantly belittle and tell the kid he will never amount to anything.  Don't forget to take all of the credit when he succeeds.  YOUR WELCOME.

EDIT: Thanks for the humblebrag, OP.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:13 AM

yeah I always hated the "you messed up a little bit, go run for 20 minutes" deal, and getting screamed at all the time.  Made me quit football early on because my coach was a royal ***** and I just went and played hockey.  We definitely got drilled into the ice there on occasion and trained hard but my coach was way cooler, and we only drilled when we all knew we deserved it and we respected him because most of the time he was chill, so we didn't hate on him.  Plus skating is way more fun than running.  Golf was always a relaxed escape for me.  No being winded, burning muscles, yelling coaches, just me and friends and dad having a good time, and that's why I've stuck with it.

But I agree with others, golf isn't a team sport so there's no coming together as a team to help ease the pain of the torture the coach is putting you through.  Best to just let him do his thing, and only gently push him in one direction or the other, and make putting and chipping practice a game.

Read Andre Aggassi's book to see what not to do as a parent with a kid in an individual sport.  It's no wonder andre hated tennis, lol.

See if you can get him interested in meditation and other inner game stuff, make it a game like anything else.  "See how many breaths you can focus on before you get distracted!  bet you can't make it past 10!" then make it an ongoing battle between the 2 of you.  His focus levels will go through the roof and a.d.d won't ever be an issue.  Just a thought.

The only thing my dad tried to get me to practice regimented wise was pitching and short wedges into a bucket in our backyard, and that stuck for all of about 10 minutes until I went and grabbed a .22 and started plinking rounds at the bucket.  What can I say, it was more fun, haha.  It's all about having fun when your a kid.

I was definitely not committed to geting better at golf, had any grand plans for golf, or anything like that.  I grew up in the great white north so golf was only a few month long endeavor every year and I had other sports I was playing as well.  The crucial thing is to just have a club in hand and be whacking balls around when your young and developing your hand eye coordination.  The serious dedication and focus can come later on if it does at all.  I've managed to drop into the plus handicap range and stick with golf since I was 6 so it worked for me at least.  Still had and have to hit the range and course every day to get there, but the basic ground work that made it easy for me was laid out when I was young by having a dad that was into golf.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:57 PM

View Posttofur99, on 19 November 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

yeah I always hated the "you messed up a little bit, go run for 20 minutes" deal, and getting screamed at all the time.  Made me quit football early on because my coach was a royal ***** and I just went and played hockey.  We definitely got drilled into the ice there on occasion and trained hard but my coach was way cooler, and we only drilled when we all knew we deserved it and we respected him because most of the time he was chill, so we didn't hate on him.  Plus skating is way more fun than running.  Golf was always a relaxed escape for me.  No being winded, burning muscles, yelling coaches, just me and friends and dad having a good time, and that's why I've stuck with it.

But I agree with others, golf isn't a team sport so there's no coming together as a team to help ease the pain of the torture the coach is putting you through.  Best to just let him do his thing, and only gently push him in one direction or the other, and make putting and chipping practice a game.

Read Andre Aggassi's book to see what not to do as a parent with a kid in an individual sport.  It's no wonder andre hated tennis, lol.

See if you can get him interested in meditation and other inner game stuff, make it a game like anything else.  "See how many breaths you can focus on before you get distracted!  bet you can't make it past 10!" then make it an ongoing battle between the 2 of you.  His focus levels will go through the roof and a.d.d won't ever be an issue.  Just a thought.

The only thing my dad tried to get me to practice regimented wise was pitching and short wedges into a bucket in our backyard, and that stuck for all of about 10 minutes until I went and grabbed a .22 and started plinking rounds at the bucket.  What can I say, it was more fun, haha.  It's all about having fun when your a kid.

I was definitely not committed to geting better at golf, had any grand plans for golf, or anything like that.  I grew up in the great white north so golf was only a few month long endeavor every year and I had other sports I was playing as well.  The crucial thing is to just have a club in hand and be whacking balls around when your young and developing your hand eye coordination.  The serious dedication and focus can come later on if it does at all.  I've managed to drop into the plus handicap range and stick with golf since I was 6 so it worked for me at least.  Still had and have to hit the range and course every day to get there, but the basic ground work that made it easy for me was laid out when I was young by having a dad that was into golf.

thanks for your post tofur... good thing you didn't play for Vince Lombardi or Paul "Bear" Bryant you would have quit the first day......and I don't think the 14yr old kid that just qualified for the Masters starting out hitting wedges at a pale then finished plinking with a .22 for fun......I agree team sports are different and such be treated as such..... I don't want my kid to be a quitter when things get tough but my priority is that he have fun 1st and enjoy being a kid..... but as long as he pushes me and nags me to go hit balls I take him.......

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:08 PM

Having fun as a kid is important, but there's more to a child's life then fun.  It's when good parents begin teaching their children self-discipline, tenacity, taking difficult direction and their rewards.  That begs the bigger question, does the parent want his child to rise above the average, maturely face adversity and overcome, to realize accomplishments verses just average.  Yes, some don't have the frame of mind for team or individual competition.  They favor too much fun over the values of hard work, discipline and the foundations that follow good men or women.

Athletes typically dislike doing laps for game errors, but do not stereotypically complain about the coach yelling.  Athletes want to be competitive, so they do not whine regarding the coaches tone.  They know its not personal.  Some kids however, have deep issues that distort the coaches purpose, consequently they either quit or cut from the team.  We didn't want those types of people on our team, as they required more attention then their team contribution.  Later in life I noticed the same types of people trying out for Green Beret and Seals, only to give up, and then give up when the going got tough in business.

The Vice Lombardi's of sports create great athletes and accomplished men or women later in life.  Sadly however, today high school teaching and coaching is not designed to make great athletes or accomplished adults in the future; it's too politically correct, noticed at my sons high school sports events.  By and large adolescents are to independent and have too many emotional issues.  Most of all, they lack parenting and discipline, and are soft.

As for the reference to Andri Aggassi; even though Andri didn't like his parents influence over his training; kids seldom like anything that isn't fun.  But, look where Andri ended up; one leads to the other.  Whether team or individual sport, success is all about discipline and tenacity; foundations for great life accomplishment.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:33 AM

yeah andre ended up doing hard drugs and being a total head case, and playing a sport for a living that he hated.  Way to to go andre's dad.  Definitely worth destroying the father son relationship and the kid for a number of years so he could achieve something noteworthy.  Good parenting model...


Based on the last 2 posts, especially the last one, I should clarify some stuff.  Yes I was all about having fun, but as we all know, hard work isn't hard when your having fun.  I wasn't a quitter by nature, I just had the balls to drop something that wasn't perceived as worth my time instead of stick it out, borne out of some ill-conceived sense of duty.

There's a big difference between working hard for a coach you respect and one you don't.  Being struck hard on the helmet for tiny errors in practice and forced to run around a field aren't my idea of good feedback.  I went over to hockey and cleaned up.  I haven't skated more than a few times since I stopped playing right before high school, and last winter got on the ice with two guys who play high level hockey and have been training for years and years and could completely keep up with them in skating ability and defensive ability, so I obviously was focused and paid attention and trained hard.  It was brutal, believe me.  Harder than football, but I respected the coach and enjoyed skating so I went along with it.

I also was playing varsity high school tennis before I was even in high school.  Not because my parents forced me into tennis, but because I willingly sought it out.  I was in lessons for a hour and a half every day for years.  If I faltered a bit they would push me to the lesson.  I was hitting 80 mph ground strokes when I was 12.  Was a little bit of a head case though, made sense later on when I was diagnosed with add, but that's another story.  Can still keep up with good players now after years of not playing.

I also played high school squash for a boarding school and was beating nationally ranked players with little training or background in squash on my part.  The coach worked us hard and I wasn't a fan, but I respected him and enjoyed the sport so I stuck with it.  Nothing more competitive than being locked in a small box with a racquet and a rubber ball that goes 125+ mph with a nationally ranked guy trying to beat you with a crowd watching.  Most fun I've had was playing that game tbo.  Not to mention the mountain biking I did there, some of the most grueling physical work I've willingly subjected myself to.  13 mile hill climbs in your highest gear that make you want to die.  But, you get to blast back down afterwards, and quickly develop an awesome 6 pack, and the coaches and rest of the group were cool, so I stuck it out.

Also was racing go karts for years at a high level, competing against guys like marco andretti, who are now racing for a living.  And can also now keep up with high ranked national enduro riders through tight technical woods on a dirtbike because I drew an interest in that when I was 9 and begged my parents for a bike for 2 years non-stop.  Again, it was fun and I was interested, and I'm now successful at it.


All of this was made easier by having fun and having awesome parents who facilitated my interests and allowed me some freedom to find and follow what I was into.  Not forcing me to chip endless balls into a bucket so I could qualify for the masters because they wanted that for me.  I can go out and shoot in the 20's in skeet anytime I want with no practice either, because of the hand eye coordination I built, having fun, shooting .22's at stuff.  Not too mention the 300 yard carry drives I can hit all day long without thinking about it.  It all comes full circle.  There's more to life than accomplishing some result, it's about the journey.  Just gunna get hit by a bus in the end anyway, might as well enjoy the ride.

Edited by tofur99, 22 November 2012 - 08:42 AM.

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