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[foreeee]

Firstly this is my first time posting on here so hello everyone. I’m trying to find out opinions on online video golf lessons from people who have tried them, what were you experiences etc. I’m a decent golfer who has taken one to one lessons but I feel I have got to the point where if I can pay about half the price and still get one or two main pointers and drills from a video lesson then it would be worth doing that instead?

[SunkTheBirdie]

foreeee, on 15 November 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

online video golf lessons

What does that mean ?
You video your swing and upload it .... and they send something back ?

[russc]

There are pros and cons of internet video instruction.The  pros  are the availibility of a  pool of instructors outside your geographical area,with  a diverse method of teaching.Some of them are well known and well respected.
The cons are really the medium itself .When you are  filming  a video,you need to be careful as to the angles that you filming from.Videos shot at angles that deviate from straight on or straight in back and /or at  the wrong height can sometimes yield deceptive results.There is also  the problem of misunderstanding a pros suggestions.During a 1 to 1 in person session misunderstandings can be quickly corrected by the pro who can  show you what he wants you to do.This may take a few on line sessions to correct.This problem can be partially offset by pros who teach using real time Skype sessions,but there  are currently technological problems of blurring with most webcams during motions such as golf swing.There is also the lack of  ball flight information
If you are not happy with your current in person instruction,then you might give online video lessons a try.There are a number of Golfwrx pros who are active posters , give online video anaylsis and  understand the golf swing  well.

[russc]

SunkTheBirdie, on 15 November 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

foreeee, on 15 November 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

online video golf lessons

What does that mean ?
You video your swing and upload it .... and they send something back ?

Yes

[KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE]

Used Golf Channels Swing Fix as a second opinion and I was pleased with the Pro and his analysis. The breakdown of the swing video was thorough and the recommendations were easy to implement. The follow up conversations were helpful and the drills suggested reinforced his opinion.

Edited by KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE, 15 November 2012 - 09:44 AM.

[foreeee]

russc, on 15 November 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

There are pros and cons of internet video instruction.The  pros  are the availibility of a  pool of instructors outside your geographical area,with  a diverse method of teaching.Some of them are well known and well respected.
The cons are really the medium itself .When you are  filming  a video,you need to be careful as to the angles that you filming from.Videos shot at angles that deviate from straight on or straight in back and /or at  the wrong height can sometimes yield deceptive results.There is also  the problem of misunderstanding a pros suggestions.During a 1 to 1 in person session misunderstandings can be quickly corrected by the pro who can  show you what he wants you to do.This may take a few on line sessions to correct.This problem can be partially offset by pros who teach using real time Skype sessions,but there  are currently technological problems of blurring with most webcams during motions such as golf swing.There is also the lack of  ball flight information
If you are not happy with your current in person instruction,then you might give online video lessons a try.There are a number of Golfwrx pros who are active posters , give online video anaylsis and  understand the golf swing  well.

Thanks for your reply russc, I understand there are pros and cons to online golf lessons compared with one to one lessons and maybe if you were a beginner needing a lot of corrections on grip, stance, posture etc. then I could see how a one to one lesson would be more beneficial. My thought was more along the lines of the cheaper price and the fact whether I go to someone in person or a pro online can see my swing in slo mo and detail they will be able to determine what is best to change technically also I suppose I could go into more detail with the online pro what my usual ball flight was and bad shots are etc.

[Man In The Miura]

To me it's a little like the learning to paint by mail idea, or online college etc.  Easy money for the provider.

[foreeee]

KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE, on 15 November 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Used Golf Channels Swing Fix as a second opinion and I was pleased with the Pro and his analysis. The breakdown of the swing video was thorough and the recommendations were easy to implement. The follow up conversations were helpful and the drills suggested reinforced his opinion.

Thanks I will check them out, sounds like online lessons do have there uses. I suppose its about how good the pro is and also I can imagine how good the quailty of the video's you upload.

[exgolfpro]

foreeee, on 15 November 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Firstly this is my first time posting on here so hello everyone. I’m trying to find out opinions on online video golf lessons from people who have tried them, what were you experiences etc. I’m a decent golfer who has taken one to one lessons but I feel I have got to the point where if I can pay about half the price and still get one or two main pointers and drills from a video lesson then it would be worth doing that instead?

Hello back.  Yes, I have used them and probably will continue to do so.  I am a 1 hdcp golfer that has hovered around this number for 30 years.  About 2 yrs ago, I realized that if I was ever going to improve, I needed to learn to hit more greens (I only average about 55%).  Last year, I did two lessons with Kelvin Miyahira.   He is in Hawaii and I am in Missouri.  I like his teachings and my brain works like his does.  I would say that my experience has been mostly successful.  I send him video, he attaches video of his own (of tour pros) that demonstrate his point and points out where we differ.  He has found stuff that I would never ever find on my own.

I guess what I like about them is, I don't worry about having to perform the action in front of the teacher and either being successful or not.  I can learn the move on my own at my own pace.

[foreeee]

exgolfpro, on 15 November 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

foreeee, on 15 November 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Firstly this is my first time posting on here so hello everyone. I’m trying to find out opinions on online video golf lessons from people who have tried them, what were you experiences etc. I’m a decent golfer who has taken one to one lessons but I feel I have got to the point where if I can pay about half the price and still get one or two main pointers and drills from a video lesson then it would be worth doing that instead?

Hello back.  Yes, I have used them and probably will continue to do so.  I am a 1 hdcp golfer that has hovered around this number for 30 years.  About 2 yrs ago, I realized that if I was ever going to improve, I needed to learn to hit more greens (I only average about 55%).  Last year, I did two lessons with Kelvin Miyahira.   He is in Hawaii and I am in Missouri.  I like his teachings and my brain works like his does.  I would say that my experience has been mostly successful.  I send him video, he attaches video of his own (of tour pros) that demonstrate his point and points out where we differ.  He has found stuff that I would never ever find on my own.

I guess what I like about them is, I don't worry about having to perform the action in front of the teacher and either being successful or not.  I can learn the move on my own at my own pace.

Thanks for your reply, that's a good point about being able to learn at your own pace as I myself like to have one or two main things to work on after a lesson whilst hitting balls at the range.

[iteachgolf]

I do some online lessons and have seen some big improvements and certainly some struggle to fully grasp the ideas. It's very dependant on how you learn and your ability.

[cardoustie]

I have spoke to both iteach and Monte online and they are both great and full of knowledge

[foreeee]

iteachgolf, on 15 November 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

I do some online lessons and have seen some big improvements and certainly some struggle to fully grasp the ideas. It's very dependant on how you learn and your ability.

I can imagine that is the case. From your experience what % of golfers would you say suited online lessons and do you think they are best suited for people like me who are looking to mainly improve swing mechanics?

[iteachgolf]

I'd say 80-90% like it and improve. In person would be better, but it's cheaper and more convenient for people not local to me to do them online.

[HoosierMizuno]

i'd say that in person with the proper instructor would be best but like you said, price wise, online is not a bad way to go if you're looking for a different opinion from a single lesson. also, it doesn't hurt to give a lesson a try as its usually not expensive.

swingfix has a lot of quality instructors so you're not just throwing money away. i'd say most people who have an understanding of the swing could benefit from a few points of advice given through online instructor. someone just starting or picking up the game might need a little more personal hands on instruction.

[russc]

This is not an advertisement for a specific person,but try one of the pros who have contributed so much to this site.As an amateur who knows a little about the swing,I have come to respect a number of them ,even though we do not always agree.And unlike a completely different website,you can read through their posts to see which one fits your needs the best.

[SunkTheBirdie]

foreeee, on 15 November 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

I can imagine that is the case. From your experience what % of golfers would you say suited online lessons and do you think they are best suited for people like me who are looking to mainly improve swing mechanics?

Upload it here. See what people say.
If you like a certain person's tips .... sign up for some online lessons with them.

[cbrian]

I've been working for Evolvr for a while now and I'd agree with what Dan (Iteach) has said. Most people make pretty good progress; some get it faster than others though. And you also have a small group that struggles. However, I find that to be true with in person instruction as well.

Also, I think the online lesson process is unique in that it can encourage the student to take ownership of their game.

[prsgtrman]

yes i have taken several. but i also combine them with a visit to the pro every now and then. ive had really good luck

[MonteScheinblum]

In person is definitely better than online.

However, online instruction from someone who knows what they are talking about is better than in person from someone who doesn't.

I would rather take an online lesson from iteach or cbrian than almost anyone I know of in southern califnornia.  The best complement I can give another instructor (and I said this about Dana Dalquist the other day when asked about him)...

"The worst thing I can say about him is we differ in philosophy."

No two teachers will think the same and no one teacher will work for everyone.

[Cmartingolf]

foreeee, on 15 November 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Firstly this is my first time posting on here so hello everyone. I’m trying to find out opinions on online video golf lessons from people who have tried them, what were you experiences etc. I’m a decent golfer who has taken one to one lessons but I feel I have got to the point where if I can pay about half the price and still get one or two main pointers and drills from a video lesson then it would be worth doing that instead?

If you are interested, I offer online lessons: http://tourstrikergo...nline-coaching.

If you don't feel like the information is spot on, don' pay:) Simple as that...

[QCart]

MonteScheinblum, on 15 November 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

In person is definitely better than online.

However, online instruction from someone who knows what they are talking about is better than in person from someone who doesn't.

I would rather take an online lesson from iteach or cbrian than almost anyone I know of in southern califnornia.  The best complement I can give another instructor (and I said this about Dana Dalquist the other day when asked about him)...

"The worst thing I can say about him is we differ in philosophy."

No two teachers will think the same and no one teacher will work for everyone.

Monte:

I've been interested in purchasing an online lesson from you for quite some time.  You're video's and post are very easy to understand and helpful.  Sh*t.......as many video's and post I've read of yours I almost feel like I'm almost stealing!  I've read your blog and instrusctions (and understand it) on how to submit one, but my question is.....should I shoot the video with my IPad, or would it be better if I shot it with my Casio EX-FH100?  Also, I noticed that Firefox works the best, as you mention on your blog.  Will I be able to upload/view the lesson using an IPad?  If not, no worries, just seems that I rarely get on a regular computer these days.  FYI, just purchased the lesson a second ago, please no Auburn jokes......aren't we a big enough one already?  Thanks, and looking forward to it!

[coops]

I think it's ideal when you can also pay occasional visits to the same instructor - even better if you start off with a personal lesson, then continue with video updates/lessons with further occasional visit every other month (?) or so.... this may be better than weekly lessons in person - as it'll give you time to practice and make the changes needed, and the video lessons can be the easy/best way of ensuring you're still on the correct path while saving you time and money overall.

I went to see Dan Whittaker for that reason, since I'm keen to go down that swing style route and keep it going by video lessons... as i'm not local to Altrincham, to say the least.

[QCart]

Cmartingolf, on 16 November 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

foreeee, on 15 November 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Firstly this is my first time posting on here so hello everyone. I’m trying to find out opinions on online video golf lessons from people who have tried them, what were you experiences etc. I’m a decent golfer who has taken one to one lessons but I feel I have got to the point where if I can pay about half the price and still get one or two main pointers and drills from a video lesson then it would be worth doing that instead?

If you are interested, I offer online lessons: http://tourstrikergo...nline-coaching.

If you don't feel like the information is spot on, don' pay:) Simple as that...

Just came up with a great idea......I think!  

Martin:

I just purchased an online lesson from you as well, I know, I've lost it!  But I respect both of your instruction, and I think it will be really cool to send the same video's to each of you and see what each of you come up with.  Now the good part is that golf season is almost over, so at least I won't  have but maybe another round or two to freeze over the golf ball because of information overload!  Currently, I'm a 7 handicap, been playing since I was 10 (38 years old now).  Lowest handicap I've ever held is a 3, but it has been since I was 18.  Looking forward to it guys!  This is going to be fun!!

P.S.
It's not my intention in doing this to make any sort of competition out of this, and I'm not planning on coming on here and saying who I think is better or not (what do I know, I'm know expert in golf instruction).  I'm doing this purely for fun for myself, and will thoroughly enjoy getting feedback from both of you!  Just wanted to clarify.

Edited by QCart, 16 November 2012 - 01:13 AM.

[MonteScheinblum]

QCart, on 16 November 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

MonteScheinblum, on 15 November 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

In person is definitely better than online.

However, online instruction from someone who knows what they are talking about is better than in person from someone who doesn't.

I would rather take an online lesson from iteach or cbrian than almost anyone I know of in southern califnornia.  The best complement I can give another instructor (and I said this about Dana Dalquist the other day when asked about him)...

"The worst thing I can say about him is we differ in philosophy."

No two teachers will think the same and no one teacher will work for everyone.

Monte:

I've been interested in purchasing an online lesson from you for quite some time.  You're video's and post are very easy to understand and helpful.  Sh*t.......as many video's and post I've read of yours I almost feel like I'm almost stealing!  I've read your blog and instrusctions (and understand it) on how to submit one, but my question is.....should I shoot the video with my IPad, or would it be better if I shot it with my Casio EX-FH100?  Also, I noticed that Firefox works the best, as you mention on your blog.  Will I be able to upload/view the lesson using an IPad?  If not, no worries, just seems that I rarely get on a regular computer these days.  FYI, just purchased the lesson a second ago, please no Auburn jokes......aren't we a big enough one already?  Thanks, and looking forward to it!

Any video is fine.  

I hope when you guys get rid of Chizik, you don't come after Mora.

[foreeee]

HoosierMizuno, on 15 November 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

i'd say that in person with the proper instructor would be best but like you said, price wise, online is not a bad way to go if you're looking for a different opinion from a single lesson. also, it doesn't hurt to give a lesson a try as its usually not expensive.

swingfix has a lot of quality instructors so you're not just throwing money away. i'd say most people who have an understanding of the swing could benefit from a few points of advice given through online instructor. someone just starting or picking up the game might need a little more personal hands on instruction.

I think your right, seems like a one to one lesson every so often with online lessons inbetween is a good option.

[foreeee]

prsgtrman, on 15 November 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

yes i have taken several. but i also combine them with a visit to the pro every now and then. ive had really good luck

Sounds like a good way to go about taking lessons.

[HoosierMizuno]

I'm curious about the different teaching styles or opinions from online swing instructors. Monte mentioned he differs in philosophy from another instructor. I'm wondering, from recent instructors online such as Clements or others mentioned, what are the differences in style or main differences in swing methods compared to other popular instructors.

What are the different philosophies regarding swing. I know S&T is one method, but can anyone provide list of the online teacher or WRX member/instructor and list their prefered method.

Monte -
S. Clements -
Chuck Martin -
Russc -
etc

[foreeee]

MonteScheinblum, on 15 November 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

In person is definitely better than online.

However, online instruction from someone who knows what they are talking about is better than in person from someone who doesn't.

I would rather take an online lesson from iteach or cbrian than almost anyone I know of in southern califnornia.  The best complement I can give another instructor (and I said this about Dana Dalquist the other day when asked about him)...

"The worst thing I can say about him is we differ in philosophy."

No two teachers will think the same and no one teacher will work for everyone.

Thanks for your points, I will have a look around on here and online and see what I come across.

[foreeee]

Cmartingolf, on 16 November 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

foreeee, on 15 November 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Firstly this is my first time posting on here so hello everyone. I’m trying to find out opinions on online video golf lessons from people who have tried them, what were you experiences etc. I’m a decent golfer who has taken one to one lessons but I feel I have got to the point where if I can pay about half the price and still get one or two main pointers and drills from a video lesson then it would be worth doing that instead?

If you are interested, I offer online lessons: http://tourstrikergo...nline-coaching.

If you don't feel like the information is spot on, don' pay:) Simple as that...

Thanks I'll take a look and do a little shopping around and see what I find.