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Can You really hit it farther ?


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#31 MizzyMan

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:36 PM

Just buy a new Taylor Made driver every year. In 3 or 4 years, you'll be hitting 50-60 yards farther. Just ask them.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:12 PM

hahahahahaha LOL ! buying a new driver and new putter and irons every year  according to the ads I should be hitting the ball so long putting so true and hitting every green in regulation I  should have a green jacket no later than 2016

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostMizzyMan, on 13 November 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Just buy a new Taylor Made driver every year. In 3 or 4 years, you'll be hitting 50-60 yards farther. Just ask them.

hence my topic title can you really hit it farther ........ hilarious good one mizzy

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:07 PM

Sure fire way to hit it further would be to hit it in the center. Get some impact tape, and hit the range. Get your swing worked out until you can hit the sweetspot 90% of the time. Your ball marks should cover no bigger than a silver dollar. Most people who want more distance swing harder and sacrifice contact. That leads to a loss in distance.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:25 PM

Um to answer the topic question "Can you really hit it farther?" In your case its obviously yes based on that you use to hit it 290 2 years ago.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

View Postsaltrunner, on 13 November 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

. I come from a long baseball background and when I started playing golf I had that hit a homerun mentality

You can keep the baseball mentality, but think Ichiro instead of Adam Dunn .... just don't start running before you hit the ball. :)

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

I've picked up about 30-40 yards in the last three years (entered college hitting it about 250-260 and now I hit it about 290). Here is what has worked for me:

1) The biggest thing has been to improve my swing so that it is mechanically efficient and I hit the ball solid a lot more consistently. Also, optimizing launch conditions helps (positive angle of attack helps to increase launch, lower spin, usually leads to more distance)

2) Gaining about 20 pounds of muscle (entered college at 6', 130 lbs., currently I weight 150 lbs.). However, I would stress that the majority of the lifting I do involves the olympic lifts (snatch and clean and jerk). If you do a little research about olympic lifting, you will find that these guys are some of the fastest, most explosive athletes out there. It certainly has helped me to become more explosive and helped my golf swing become more dynamic.

3) Proper driver fitting.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:58 PM

View PostMizzyMan, on 13 November 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Just buy a new Taylor Made driver every year. In 3 or 4 years, you'll be hitting 50-60 yards farther. Just ask them.

Or better yet ask Luke Donald.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 01:26 AM

I agree with chouse. My tips would be:

Light grip pressure - tension kills your release.
If you go to the gym, work on explosive movements, not bench pressing a bicep curls. Do squats to build up your legs and glutes.
Make sure yuo aren't coming over the top, early extending, or casting, and losing the left bicep to chest connection - find a teacher if need be.
Once you fix all this, then see if you need to get fitted.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 01:37 AM

I've gained about a club and a half of distance just by doing 200-250 consecutive sit-ups 3x a week along with swinging a weighted club. Yeah it takes a heck of alot of determination, but it is possible.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:02 AM

View Postsaltrunner, on 12 November 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:


have you ever played with a friend or have a guy in your foursome for years and then all of a sudden he is hitting 20yds further. Has ayone ever really been impressed with a guy who used to be a short hitter and now hits the ball a long way ....... what was the difference ?
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Added 50 yards to driver and 30 to iron for national level pro here in one session.
No change in technique, not in fitness all about optimizing the action currently done without impedence.
Meaning no antagonistrestriction in the motion.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:41 AM

View Postflopper, on 14 November 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

View Postsaltrunner, on 12 November 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

have you ever played with a friend or have a guy in your foursome for years and then all of a sudden he is hitting 20yds further. Has ayone ever really been impressed with a guy who used to be a short hitter and now hits the ball a long way ....... what was the difference ?
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Added 50 yards to driver and 30 to iron for national level pro here in one session.
No change in technique, not in fitness all about optimizing the action currently done without impedence.
Meaning no antagonistrestriction in the motion.

When you talk about no antagonist restriction, are you saying you improve the flexibility of those antagonists, or are you training them to be relaxed when the agonists are contracting?

Edited by Cicero, 14 November 2012 - 09:42 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:31 PM

You answered your question in a previous post. Swing harder and get that home run mentality back. At least start with trying to hit doubles into the gap...
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 01:49 PM

Historically,

I gained 15 yards moving from Persimmon to a Bridgestone Whopper
I gained 10-15 yards going to the TM 510tp w speeder
I gained 10 yds with the Prov1

Nowadays ... I am an out of shape 44 yr old BUT

I have gained quite a bit of speed & yardage as of late (read last 30-45 days), a few factors

- some key tips from Monte Sheinblum
- working out core and upper body
- getting right side behind the ball on the backswing .. more extension .. key thought of Carl Lohren's one move to better golf
- better trunk rotation and clearing thru impact .. using a key thought of Slicefixer's teachings
- WAY more extension past impact
- swinging a Skilz gold flex nightly which is helping my sequencing
- flattening my attack angle into impact from slightly OTT to inside the plane
- using video and accepting it does not lie

4 weeks ago is was a 108-109 guy

2 weeks ago I was maxing out at 111-112

Yesterday, my bad swings were 111 and I had a most driver swings around 114, but with great swings at 117-119.  Crazy speed gains I know

Those are huge step ups for me and I think mostly the gains are from finally working out what leading the downswing without the upper body feels like

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:22 AM

so after reading all the posts I went out to the range today ... after 3 cloudy cold days we finally got some sunshine so I took out the swing meter and started swinging the driver.. I really focused on taking a full swing with an nice full finish and also trying to swing fast... I have to say I hit 95 mph quite a few times and 97 mph a couple of times.... felt good to see the ball go and go well beyond my normal landing area as I usually avg about 85 mph .......but so much rang true of reading all the posts... I notice that even swings that reached 95 mph didn't carry the ball very far if I didnt make contact in the center of the face... also in reference to working on strengthening the core my abs felt sore and fatigued afterwards........ now I just have to swing those speeds without looking like a wild man swinging


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:02 PM

View Postjuststeve, on 13 November 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

Most people can hit it longer by:

1.  Hitting the center of the club face more often;

2.  Learning to draw the ball;

3.  Keep the ball in the fairway to maximize roll;

4.  Get a driver with more loft since most golfers play drivers without enough.

For most golfers there is probably 20 yards there without increasing club head speed at all.

Steve

+1.  Kinda hard to hit a high draw with a low loft...  This is the 'duh' moment many players are looking for....

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:04 PM

Just turned 41, this season at the age of 40, I hit the ball further than I ever have with both the wood and irons. Driver swing speed hovers around 110 these days and I know I swung faster in my 20's, just never had the means to measure my swingspeed then. In my case, my angle of attack was the biggest detriment to my game. Too steep with all clubs. It finally clicked for me this year with the driver. My AoA with the driver has increased dramatically and so has my distance. I've kind of come full circle as I was a high ball hitter in my earlier playing days, then all of the sudden decided I need to swing much flatter. Somewhere along the line I started hitting the ball much lower with higher spin. Started seriously hitting down on the ball through the whole bag. Finally saw a pro this summer and once I saw the video I knew what changes needed to take place. I have much more spine tilt away from the target now. Head stays behind the ball much better. AoA has increased with the driver and the irons have shallowed out significantly. Hitting the ball much higher with less spin with the driver and my iron distances have also increased big timeVery happy with the changes, but it took some time to get used to the distance gains. Flew a lot of greens this year..

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:57 PM

Hmm... 2 by 9i. Never heard that equation before. 2 x 145 m = 290 m. Well, that seems to make sense, but where is the logic and science to prove this?

However, I'm trying very hard to hit 9i only 135 m.

I happen to see this driving thing also. Me and my friend were playing togetter and normally he was about the same length as I was. However when the extra distance was needed I just out-drove him by 50 meters.

In fact I did not do anything, but put my 100 - 110 % into hiting it hard as I could, taking all my big muscles in for more clubhead speed.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:02 AM

I was about even with my playing partners. In Oct I picked up a Orange Whip. I am now blowing it past them by more than 20 yds with the same driver going on about 5 rds now. No lie. I just hope it lasts.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:02 PM

View PostCwing, on 18 November 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

I was about even with my playing partners. In Oct I picked up a Orange Whip. I am now blowing it past them by more than 20 yds with the same driver going on about 5 rds now. No lie. I just hope it lasts.


I saw that Orange Whip ... looks awesome I am gonna get one .. what length ? I have been working on swing faster and have hit 97 on the radar but hitting the ball I am still about 88 mph


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:43 PM

I got the longest one. The weight allows me to feel where the club is and it is helping me to start my swing with my
lower body. In a nut shell, I can feel the whip in relation to my forward hip. The flexible shaft also helps with tempo.

So far I love the thing.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:52 AM

View Postsaltrunner, on 13 November 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

I wil swallow my pride and tell you my swing speed is in the mid 80's and it used to be 100mph ....... with no ball in front of me I can take a good controlled hard swing and hit 94 mph but put a ball in front of me and its back to 85 mph...... hows that for discombobulation ..... :angry22:

If you really want to sort this out you should post a video of your swing. There are plenty of experts here who will be able to tell you why you don't produce more speed. You seem to have an athletic background so you probably have technical flaws in your swing that are holding you back.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:11 PM

yeah there has to be some flaw there that is robbing me of power and distance.... but with all the "experts" here I would never put my swing on this site I would get so critiqued by every "armchair tour pro" that by the time I read every correction to my swing I would quit the game!! lol! in a previous post I mentioned going to the range with the swing radar and I was swinging in the 97mph range .. but without a ball on the tee haha then when I hit a ball the max I can muster is 85 mph..... ??? hows that for a basket case..... wanted to go again today but my left wrist is aching today ... maybe thats a sign of a swing flaw .....

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:05 AM

If you can swing it 97mph with no ball, it would suggest to me that you are increasing the tension in your hands/arms when you have a ball/target in your way.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:16 AM

View PostCicero, on 14 November 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

When you talk about no antagonist restriction, are you saying you improve the flexibility of those antagonists, or are you training them to be relaxed when the agonists are contracting?

No.
You either have a free unimpended motion where the muscles needed goes in one direction and dont gets slow down by contractions.
Its how you move and how the brain focus which cant be done on the muscle level as its to complicated.
Normally most add tension in the swing especially with the hit impulse and grip tension.
I work the brain and how it does things for elite performance and since the OP asked I provided with an example.
20 yards isnt much. I did hit it 180-220y 3 years ago, current season it was 230-290y.
In the new technique solvement I fully expect those numbers to be better next year and likely at 300-330y or so.
This at age 49 next year.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:58 PM

View Postsaltrunner, on 19 November 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

yeah there has to be some flaw there that is robbing me of power and distance.... but with all the "experts" here I would never put my swing on this site I would get so critiqued by every "armchair tour pro" that by the time I read every correction to my swing I would quit the game!! lol! in a previous post I mentioned going to the range with the swing radar and I was swinging in the 97mph range .. but without a ball on the tee haha then when I hit a ball the max I can muster is 85 mph..... ??? hows that for a basket case..... wanted to go again today but my left wrist is aching today ... maybe thats a sign of a swing flaw .....

If you don't want to post a video there are a few teachers who can give you a video analysis. Or you can simply shoot & study your own videos. You probably need to do this if your ambition is to groove the best swing you're capable of.

A more moderate approach would be to do whatever adjustments you need to deliver your current full swing speed when there's a ball lying there. The loss of swing speed when the ball is there is almost guaranteed to be a compensation of some sort. Perhaps your club face is wide open through the impact zone when you swing through without a ball and without any restrictions. Or perhaps the club head isn't returning to where the ball is without compensation. You may be able to dig this one out of the dirt if you're persistent, but watching video would be very helpful for you to find out what's going on.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:16 PM

like the orange whip comment.  I think the SKLZ gold flex is a big part of my improvements.  You have to learn to lead with the lower body.  And 20 hard swings works your core
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:48 PM

The best way to hit it further consistently is to try not to. Now I agree there are times when one swings out of one's shoes and catches the ball perfectly enough to make it go a long way in the fairway but that is not consistently the case.
Rhythm and balance coupled with good fundamentals produces swing speed and that gives you consistent distance.
Would you rather be 250 carry in the fairway most of the time or 290 in the fairway 1% of the time and the rest digging it out of the briars-if you can find it while your buddies bust a gut trying not to laugh.
We all must make a choice and not let your body make it for you; of course, your body(mind) is telling you to kill that little ball sitting on a tee but do you have the control and discipline to take charge and swing the way you know you should.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:05 PM

Why not disregard speed all together first and look at optimizing the ability to launch it higher and curve it the least.

I know plenty of Female players who only carry it 210 on the fly with Swing Speeds of 95mph or so...

If you get these areas better you may even pick up speed.

Training to get speed should be secondary to this notion.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:02 AM

View Postdana dahlquist, on 20 November 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Why not disregard speed all together first and look at optimizing the ability to launch it higher and curve it the least.

I know plenty of Female players who only carry it 210 on the fly with Swing Speeds of 95mph or so...

If you get these areas better you may even pick up speed.

Training to get speed should be secondary to this notion.

uhh... ok


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