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[HAWKEYE77]

Who is Lucas Glover?

[tembolo1284]

maybe he can dye the beard white....and it's easily adjustable.

[SweetTeaGolfer]

JaxBeachNole, on 08 November 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Could also be a Bridgestone signee, a lot of their guys play TM drivers and Adidas shoes. I don't see Nike "dropping" him, how often does a company fire a player? I really have no idea if that happens.

I brought this point up in another post about AK. Assumed that with all the new signings they need to dump some guys. Glover, Ames etc...

[rafal]

Nike could probably flush all their staffers except Tiger and Rory and nobody would notice.

EDIT: Nobody outside WRX

Edited by rafal, 09 November 2012 - 08:41 PM.

[practicetee]

rafal, on 09 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Nike could probably flush all their staffers except Tiger and Rory and nobody would notice.

EDIT: Nobody outside WRX

Schwartzel and Petterson have had good visibility this year along with Molinari and Dyson overseas.

[rafal]

What has Schwarzel done this year?

I do agree on Pettersen as far as visibility goes

[Snufles]

imakaveli, on 08 November 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Shrapnac, on 08 November 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

"Guy plays unofficial round with no press and no sponsor obligation, wears stuff from his closet. News at 11."

Sheesh.

How do you know he doesn't have sponsor obligation when he plays outside tournaments?

Who knows who owns who anymore.

[imakaveli]

Snufles, on 10 November 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

imakaveli, on 08 November 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Shrapnac, on 08 November 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

"Guy plays unofficial round with no press and no sponsor obligation, wears stuff from his closet. News at 11."

Sheesh.

How do you know he doesn't have sponsor obligation when he plays outside tournaments?

Who knows who owns who anymore.

As I said all the pros I saw outside tournaments were wearing sponsors, but Glover can be an exeption

[moonshine]

North face is junk, more of the official inform of high school girls. North face used to be something years 2 decades ago, but after vanity fair bought them they when main stream street wear.  North face is looked again outdoor brand like nike is to golf. Patagonia is also headed in that direction as well.
@spitfisher-I was waiting for this kind of comment!  What to buy then?  I have a few of their older jackets...like 7 years old that still look brand new.  I also have family that are huge outdoor people...Yellowstone, Death Valley, etc., that wear Columbia!  Next time after calling stuff junk tell us what is not...please?!  Peace

[Vindog]

rafal, on 09 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Nike could probably flush all their staffers except Tiger and Rory and nobody would notice.

EDIT: Nobody outside WRX

Much the same could be said for the generic staff that is Taylor Made.   Which really only proves that staffers do not equate to sales, because TM definitely sells, even with its crappy staff.

Edited by Vindog, 10 November 2012 - 10:05 AM.

[Snufles]

Llortamaisey, on 08 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

spitfisher, on 08 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

North face is junk, more of the official inform of high school girls. North face used to be something years 2 decades ago, but after vanity fair bought them they when main stream street wear.  North face is looked again outdoor brand like nike is to golf. Patagonia is also headed in that direction as well.

I hear what your saying. I didn't want to bash North Face. It's interesting and disappointing that you say that about Patagonia. What makes you think that they are losing quality?

Patagonia lost it before North Face.  There is always some new company coming out with a new logo to wear.

BTW it isn't the clothing you wear but what you do while wearing it that makes it extreme.

Edited by Snufles, 10 November 2012 - 09:01 AM.

[practicetee]

rafal, on 10 November 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

What has Schwarzel done this year?

I do agree on Pettersen as far as visibility goes

On the Euro Tour Schwartzel had 3 Top 10s, 9 Top 25s in 16 starts, and on the PGA Tour he had 2 Top 10s and 7 Top 25s.  Not bad for having a Major hangover...

[rony]

Speaking of Lucas Glover; did he lose his tour card this year?

[Vindog]

rony, on 12 November 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

Speaking of Lucas Glover; did he lose his tour card this year?

he's good until at least 2014 via his '09 US Open win.  may have tacked on another year via his Quail hollow win last year.  Not sure if the wins have to be in the same year to add on exemptions like that...

[Dayton]

If Glover leaves does he get to take the Nike rep with him, the one thst cost him his marriage?  Or maybe that is why Nike is willing to let him go.  Just saying.......

[slicktry]

Molinari, Schwartzel, Dyson overseas, Rors and Tiger Stateside is all Nike would need IMO.  Stanley and Watney are wildcard bonuses.  Small but VERY talented stable. And VERY noticed in the distinct markets.

About the Patagonia and TNF comments....I do agree that both companies have downgraded their value due to the mass marketing and increased popularity.  And YES, the product hasn't increased in quality, just stayed level.  BUT the amount of increased competition is insane.  Even Under Armour is looking at getting into the "extreme" outerwear segment (if they havent already)....

God Bless
Jer

P.S. if you want a good winter jacket, try Mountain Equipment Co-op (MEC)....just sayin'!

[Sooner1]

LG's nike contract was just probably not renewed.  Nike takes great pride in saying they have not cut any of their pros contracts, just don't renew them.  At this point a switch for LG would be good.  He needs something to spark his game.

As far as pros only playing their companys clubs when practicing at home or away from a tournament or coporate outing, I play with a few pros on a regular occasion and many of them have different companies clubs in their bag.  just played with a guy before second stage and he had 5 drivers, 3 were not from his club company.  happens all the time.  these guys are just like us, looking for more distance that goes straight

[R Hagan]

MtlJeff, on 08 November 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

does TMAG offer a 5 year old square driver? If not Glover is screwed

Got that right. Guess I'm the only one left on the planet still playing that driver

[bew54]

Nike has not renewed several of their players contracts.  Lucas Glover and Stewart Cink both were not renewed

[practicetee]

I'd be shocked to see Cink gone from the Nike lineup.  He played the Covert driver at Disney, and I just don't see him switching drivers for one tournament after using the VR Tour for so long.

[LOVE4LPGA]

rafal, on 09 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Nike could probably flush all their staffers except Tiger and Rory and nobody would notice.

EDIT: Nobody outside WRX

+ 1

NIKE Golf is the poster child for risk-to-lacking-reward of the high profile endorsement game.

With one notable exception, they cannot be happy with their tepid hard-goods % share given what they have invested in their endorsement deals.

No wonder they are seeking some intensity.

[spitfisher]

bew54, on 18 November 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Nike has not renewed several of their players contracts.  Lucas Glover and Stewart Cink both were not renewed

Other than lance Armstrongs contract Nike doesn't litter the air waves with canceling contracts they simple do not renew contract. They feel it can be detrimental to their brand messaging when they dump a guy. A-Rod for example when he announced he used roids, Nike simply did not renew his contract. aRod continues to wear nike without a contract.

Tigers contract is up in 3-4 years........

[Llortamaisey]

Snufles, on 10 November 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Llortamaisey, on 08 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

spitfisher, on 08 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

North face is junk, more of the official inform of high school girls. North face used to be something years 2 decades ago, but after vanity fair bought them they when main stream street wear.  North face is looked again outdoor brand like nike is to golf. Patagonia is also headed in that direction as well.

I hear what your saying. I didn't want to bash North Face. It's interesting and disappointing that you say that about Patagonia. What makes you think that they are losing quality?

Patagonia lost it before North Face.  There is always some new company coming out with a new logo to wear.

BTW it isn't the clothing you wear but what you do while wearing it that makes it extreme.

The only Patagonia stuff I ever see is when I visit their company store that's within a mile of my house. They must have different clothing in their company store because its much more performance based than the North Face stuff I see at Dick's.

[spitfisher]

moonshine, on 10 November 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

North face is junk, more of the official inform of high school girls. North face used to be something years 2 decades ago, but after vanity fair bought them they when main stream street wear.  North face is looked again outdoor brand like nike is to golf. Patagonia is also headed in that direction as well.
@spitfisher-I was waiting for this kind of comment!  What to buy then?  I have a few of their older jackets...like 7 years old that still look brand new.  I also have family that are huge outdoor people...Yellowstone, Death Valley, etc., that wear Columbia!  Next time after calling stuff junk tell us what is not...please?!  Peace

Actually if you want a couple of names of innovative, technology driven, well made out door apparel. Are you sitting down? columbia would be one of them, they have made huge wholesale changes in their performance category the past couple of years, some of the technology is home grown,  saving the consumer huge royalty fees. Gore-tex for example is a dinosaur. They Teflon laminate really hasn't changed in almost 25 years, but the marketing has! Columbia outdry membrane is lighter, far more breathable and as good or better in waterproof effectiveness, and yet  25-35% cheaper. Gore tex commands over 25% royalty fee, just to use their product and labeling. In outside magazine gear of the year award, they one the shell category with their Outdry peak 2 peak shell. Retail was $350, they were up against arctyrx, Patagonia, lafluma, marmont and others, some of which retailed for close to $550-600.
Patagonia still make great outdoor apparel, quality is still there, they are making more and more street wear and commercial products. Arctyrx is likely closer to what TNF & patagonia was 20 years ago a true outdoor brand with extreme quality, function and fit. Mountain hardwear ( owned by columbia) is another very good brand making incredible functional products for the outdoors. Thier are some new comers, RAB, and even adidas is turning it some superior product.

Take a close look at how TNf top is stitched and made, there are no curves being sewn, instead its made like a big square, with few exceptions nothing is sewn on a bias. The fit is like slipping a trash bag on. In other words they make their product, to fit the masses and not the athlete. When compared to other brands its heavier, the fabric is louder, dry to the touch and crunchy, rather than soft, subtle, quiet and light weight. They confuse the consumer with such marketing terms like "hyvent", truth be told its probably the least breathable fabric out there and it waterproof. They continue to market themselves as a mountain climber brand in their brand imaging

[Sooner1]

They had Cink hitting that driver on ON THE RANGE a couple weeks ago and they got a close up of him hitting a Bridgestone ball.  Could be he keeps the Nike woods and moves to Bridgestone irons, ball, hat and bag

[Vindog]

Sooner1, on 19 November 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

They had Cink hitting that driver on ON THE RANGE a couple weeks ago and they got a close up of him hitting a Bridgestone ball.  Could be he keeps the Nike woods and moves to Bridgestone irons, ball, hat and bag

Bridgestone makes Nike balls!!!  

[dalehead]

Sooner1, on 19 November 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

They had Cink hitting that driver on ON THE RANGE a couple weeks ago and they got a close up of him hitting a Bridgestone ball.  Could be he keeps the Nike woods and moves to Bridgestone irons, ball, hat and bag

Possible, but I  wouldn't jump to any conclusions based  on that evidence. Maybe they were out of Nike balls when Cink hit the range. Maybe a Bridgestone ball got mixed in the bag with Cink's Nikes's. Maybe Cink was out of balls but just wanted to hit a few more drives and borrowed some Bridgestones from the guy next to him.

Sooner1, on 19 November 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

They had Cink hitting that driver on ON THE RANGE a couple weeks ago and they got a close up of him hitting a Bridgestone ball.  Could be he keeps the Nike woods and moves to Bridgestone irons, ball, hat and bag

[fairwayhunter31]

Saw the same pics and my first thought was... GOOD FOR HIM! Nothing against Nike, but with the new crop of players changing to the Swoosh net season, it makes sense.... Big fan of LG!

Edited by fairwayhunter31, 19 November 2012 - 01:06 PM.

[TheMoneyShot]

tbowles411, on 08 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Do players do that?  I mean, if they're sponsored by company X do they sport other OEM gear?  Honest question...

Would you if a company was paying you millions of $$$$$ each year???  I think not...

[Vindog]

TheMoneyShot, on 19 November 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

tbowles411, on 08 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Do players do that?  I mean, if they're sponsored by company X do they sport other OEM gear?  Honest question...

Would you if a company was paying you millions of $$$$$ each year???  I think not...

ooof...I shudder to think about whether or not The Swoosh has sleeper cells hanging around to bust me in Adidas gear at the local CC.

I'm paranoid enough already.