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[need2compress]

This site offers probably the most educated golf community on the web but the negativity about Nike golf equipment is not justified. Unfortunately, the signing of RM has once again ignited the bashing.
I understand they made a mistake with their first driver offering but to say their equipment is inferior to Titleist or other companies is ignorant. No one can match Nike's R and D budget. Moreover, the employees they have in the R and D department are some of the industries best and brightest. Many of them were actually plucked from other OEMS. People have to understand they started from zero just a decade ago.  Imagine where they will be in another 5 or ten years.  Good choice Rors!

[Skaffa77]

I would imagine that the same needs to be said about the TM negativity as well!

[scottvw13]

I agree on both points.  Way to much Nike and TM hate around here.

[TheMoneyShot]

The haters will come out in drones now with this thread...

[BirdieBob]

Hate is not acceptable...........BUT criticism if properly stated and specific is acceptable.

[Wooderson]

I guess I'm not seeing it.  I have read every post on the Nike releases.  I'm going to say that it is 80% positive and 20% negative.  That's outstanding.  I can't wait for the new clubs.

[Sean2]

All the OEM's make great equipment. In today's competitive environment they have to. I don't why anyone would hate any OEM. Seems rather silly really.

[Stetson]

I think Nike drivers are fairways are excellent. That being said I believe their wedges and putters are in the bottom half of the industry. Nike seems to be making progress but BECAUSE this board is so well educated in the golf world they need to offer more customization. The wedge loft/bounce selection is far behind Titleist, for example.

[Arafel]

I don't hate Nike, but I do "hate" when fanboys use the word hater.

Edited by sustain, 07 November 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[sharkiesj]

Too many young people that speak too quickly, their idols play Titleist or Ping so Nike gets bashed. That's really the bottom line.

[SoCalTitleist]

TheMoneyShot, on 07 November 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

The haters will come out in drones now with this thread...

Yup just added fuel to the fire.

[MadGolfer76]

There is a lot to be critical of, apart from the clubs. I like to flame Nike, but that is usually just based on the reactions of the self-styled fanboys. So easy to get upset. The good news is Nike doesn't care about what I have to say.

Honestly, some of the stuff they have put out over the years has been great. I loved the One Tour D, original blades, the first Pro Combo's, the Sasquatch fairways (the ones TW used) and the Machspeed Black driver, along with an occasional wedge. It was all just amazingly good. The rest was either "meh" or had the TW "victory red" theme to it. I just don't like the idea of gaming another person's clubs with his aesthetic painted all over them.

If Nike had just kept things plain and traditional, I would have probably overlooked the fact that they bought their way into the industry, put out Walmart-quality clubs for a few years before anything good (you guys remember that don't you?), and pay single players enough cash to curb famine in small countries.

Well, maybe not...

Edited by MadGolfer76, 07 November 2012 - 04:41 PM.

[cb24]

I love Nike's balls

[Kadin 25]

In B4 the lock

[TheU]

MadGolfer76, on 07 November 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

There is a lot to be critical of, apart from the clubs. I like to flame Nike, but that is usually just based on the reactions of the self-styled fanboys. So easy to get upset. The good news is Nike doesn't care about what I have to say.

Honestly, some of the stuff they have put out over the years has been great. I loved the One Tour D, original blades, the first Pro Combo's, the Sasquatch fairways (the ones TW used) and the Machspeed Black driver, along with an occasional wedge. It was all just amazingly good. The rest was either "meh" or had the TW "victory red" theme to it. I just don't like the idea of gaming another person's clubs with his aesthetic painted all over them.

If Nike had just kept things plain and traditional, I would have probably overlooked the fact that they bought their way into the industry, put out Walmart-quality clubs for a few years before anything good (you guys remember that don't you?), and pay single players enough cash to curb famine in small countries.

Well, maybe not...

How did Nike "buy their way into the industry"?

[Arafel]

Instead of making a great product and building their golf business from that point, Nike just paid Tiger to play their clubs

Here are some examples

Callaway and the original Big Bertha driver
PING and the Eye 2 irons and thier Anser putter
Cleveland and the 588 wedge
Adams and their Tight Lie FW wood
TM and the orignal steel woods
Titleist and their consistantly good ball quality for 50+ years

All of these example have the same thing in common, it was about the product and how good they were, not about what overpaid mega star was using them.

Edited by sustain, 07 November 2012 - 05:12 PM.

[TheU]

How about the first solid core golf ball? Does killing the wound ball count?

[ZBigStick]

Hate, Hate, Hate!

[Arafel]

TheU, on 07 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

How about the first solid core golf ball? Does killing the wound ball count?

Add Bridgestone/Precept to that list of great products.  Nike did not develope that technology.  They just overpaid a mega star to use it.  Sorry.  I know a lot of your selft esteem is wrapped up in brand recognition.

[wobgon]

need2compress, on 07 November 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

This site offers probably the most educated golf community on the web but the negativity about Nike golf equipment is not justified. Unfortunately, the signing of RM has once again ignited the bashing.
I understand they made a mistake with their first driver offering but to say their equipment is inferior to Titleist or other companies is ignorant. No one can match Nike's R and D budget. Moreover, the employees they have in the R and D department are some of the industries best and brightest. Many of them were actually plucked from other OEMS. People have to understand they started from zero just a decade ago.  Imagine where they will be in another 5 or ten years.  Good choice Rors!

Is it really humanly possible for a person to hate a brand of golf club. I am almost embarrassed for anyone who would even think such a thing.
Hate a golf club?  Crazy.  

[Arafel]

wobgon, on 07 November 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

need2compress, on 07 November 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

This site offers probably the most educated golf community on the web but the negativity about Nike golf equipment is not justified. Unfortunately, the signing of RM has once again ignited the bashing.
I understand they made a mistake with their first driver offering but to say their equipment is inferior to Titleist or other companies is ignorant. No one can match Nike's R and D budget. Moreover, the employees they have in the R and D department are some of the industries best and brightest. Many of them were actually plucked from other OEMS. People have to understand they started from zero just a decade ago.  Imagine where they will be in another 5 or ten years.  Good choice Rors!

Is it really humanly possible for a person to hate a brand of golf club. I am almost embarrassed for anyone who would even think such a thing.
Hate a golf club?  Crazy.  

I know these brand-recognition-guys seem to be some of the most irrational people at times.

Edited by sustain, 07 November 2012 - 05:42 PM.

[kevcarter]

sustain, on 07 November 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

I don't hate Nike, but I do "hate" when fanboys use the word hater.

I hate when haters use the term fanboy. :-)

[ZBigStick]

TheU, on 07 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

How about the first solid core golf ball? Does killing the wound ball count?

Are you saying Nike was?

The first solid core urethane covered ball was from Precept/Bridgestone I believe.  On The Tour others used the solid core Top-Flite Strata, and before that the Spalding Tour Edition.  Titleist finally saw the benefits and the market for a solid core Tour Ball, and the Pro V1 dominance began.

[Arafel]

kevcarter, on 07 November 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

sustain, on 07 November 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

I don't hate Nike, but I do "hate" when fanboys use the word hater.

I hate when haters use the term fanboy. :-)

Yeah I'm not that fond of fanboy either, but it does seem to be the brand-recognition-guys that throw around "Hater" the most.

Edited by sustain, 07 November 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[Arafel]

ZBigStick, on 07 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

TheU, on 07 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

How about the first solid core golf ball? Does killing the wound ball count?

Are you saying Nike was?

The first solid core urethane covered ball was from Precept/Bridgestone I believe.  On The Tour others used the solid core Top-Flite Strata, and before that the Spalding Tour Edition.  Titleist finally saw the benefits and the market for a solid core Tour Ball, and the Pro V1 dominance began.

Just a little warning to you.  You may not be able to talk much sense into him.  The brand-recognition-guys can be quite irrational at times.  Hopefully it's different this time.

[ufgatrs82]

sustain, on 07 November 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

ZBigStick, on 07 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

TheU, on 07 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

How about the first solid core golf ball? Does killing the wound ball count?

Are you saying Nike was?

The first solid core urethane covered ball was from Precept/Bridgestone I believe.  On The Tour others used the solid core Top-Flite Strata, and before that the Spalding Tour Edition.  Titleist finally saw the benefits and the market for a solid core Tour Ball, and the Pro V1 dominance began.

Just a little warning to you.  You may not be able to talk much sense into him.  The brand-recognition-guys can be quite irrational at times.  Hopefully it's different this time.

Yeah thats a lost cause. Hes on the other thread defending every honest opinion of the new Nike clubs left and right.

[Arafel]

ufgatrs82, on 07 November 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

sustain, on 07 November 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

ZBigStick, on 07 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

TheU, on 07 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

How about the first solid core golf ball? Does killing the wound ball count?

Are you saying Nike was?

The first solid core urethane covered ball was from Precept/Bridgestone I believe.  On The Tour others used the solid core Top-Flite Strata, and before that the Spalding Tour Edition.  Titleist finally saw the benefits and the market for a solid core Tour Ball, and the Pro V1 dominance began.

Just a little warning to you.  You may not be able to talk much sense into him.  The brand-recognition-guys can be quite irrational at times.  Hopefully it's different this time.

Yeah thats a lost cause. Hes on the other thread defending every honest opinion of the new Nike clubs left and right.

Yes it's the brand-recognition-guys that have same mentality that make them suseptable to joining a cult.  It can be kind of scary at times.

[TheU]

ufgatrs82, on 07 November 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

sustain, on 07 November 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

ZBigStick, on 07 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

TheU, on 07 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

How about the first solid core golf ball? Does killing the wound ball count?

Are you saying Nike was?

The first solid core urethane covered ball was from Precept/Bridgestone I believe.  On The Tour others used the solid core Top-Flite Strata, and before that the Spalding Tour Edition.  Titleist finally saw the benefits and the market for a solid core Tour Ball, and the Pro V1 dominance began.

Just a little warning to you.  You may not be able to talk much sense into him.  The brand-recognition-guys can be quite irrational at times.  Hopefully it's different this time.

Yeah thats a lost cause. Hes on the other thread defending every honest opinion of the new Nike clubs left and right.

You still mad about the gator comments?

[Arafel]

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Are you saying Nike was?

The first solid core urethane covered ball was from Precept/Bridgestone I believe.  On The Tour others used the solid core Top-Flite Strata, and before that the Spalding Tour Edition.  Titleist finally saw the benefits and the market for a solid core Tour Ball, and the Pro V1 dominance began.
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Just a little warning to you.  You may not be able to talk much sense into him.  The brand-recognition-guys can be quite irrational at times.  Hopefully it's different this time.
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Yeah thats a lost cause. Hes on the other thread defending every honest opinion of the new Nike clubs left and right.
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You still mad about the gator comments?
[/quote]

Please take your cult-like, obsessive, college fanboy discussion to PM.  We don't want it in this thread too.

[mukster]

kevcarter, on 07 November 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

sustain, on 07 November 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

I don't hate Nike, but I do "hate" when fanboys use the word hater.

I hate when haters use the term fanboy. :-)

Darn kev, you stole my post

Edited by mukster, 07 November 2012 - 06:31 PM.