108 replies to this topic

[rankoutsider]

vman, I suppose the degree of dismissiveness in your posts is what we are responding to rather than the ideas: "You're telling me that someone out there is this intolerant of other people's views about the golf swing....oh dear.  Really, and he doesn't know that the rest of us also know that it happens pretty quickly...good grief..."

Having said that, though, you have hit on exactly what I was saying in my earlier post.  If I want to maintain this dorsiflexion through impact, I have to setup with it, and I find when I do this, I am clearly limiting my backswing arc and taking some athleticism and fluidity out of the golf swing.  A fair number of pros do setup with a dorsiflexed wrist, but they are clearly also setting up with what looks like a minimum amout of it and increasing it at impact.  My guess is that this is something like the ideal pattern for people who want to hit with a dorsiflexed wrist, but that it may not be possible to achieve this without a lot of practice (obviously enough).  The way I have been going about it works for impact but not very effectively for my full swing.  I'm sure that this is the basis of what you were trying to say.

Clearly more work is needed on my part.  That's three in the rabbit hole.

[vman]

SunkTheBirdie, on 23 March 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

vman, on 23 March 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

Dorsiflexion at Setup.

This is off topic.
This topic is discussing leverage (or dorsiflexion) of the right wrist *through the impact zone*.

I was just discussing previous posts and assertions but dorsiflexion at impact happens due to what has gone before,pivot,wrist hinge,path.Please try and feel this with rehearsals and drills but don't focus your conscious mind on it while swinging freely at speed.

[vman]

rankoutsider, on 23 March 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

vman, I suppose the degree of dismissiveness in your posts is what we are responding to rather than the ideas: "You're telling me that someone out there is this intolerant of other people's views about the golf swing....oh dear.  Really, and he doesn't know that the rest of us also know that it happens pretty quickly...good grief..."

Having said that, though, you have hit on exactly what I was saying in my earlier post.  If I want to maintain this dorsiflexion through impact, I have to setup with it, and I find when I do this, I am clearly limiting my backswing arc and taking some athleticism and fluidity out of the golf swing.  A fair number of pros do setup with a dorsiflexed wrist, but they are clearly also setting up with what looks like a minimum amout of it and increasing it at impact.  My guess is that this is something like the ideal pattern for people who want to hit with a dorsiflexed wrist, but that it may not be possible to achieve this without a lot of practice (obviously enough).  The way I have been going about it works for impact but not very effectively for my full swing.  I'm sure that this is the basis of what you were trying to say.

Clearly more work is needed on my part.  That's three in the rabbit hole.

I guess I had one dismissive post which I stand by but apologise if I caused offence.

[dairic]

vman, on 23 March 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

SunkTheBirdie, on 23 March 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

vman, on 23 March 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

Dorsiflexion at Setup.

This is off topic.
This topic is discussing leverage (or dorsiflexion) of the right wrist *through the impact zone*.

I was just discussing previous posts and assertions but dorsiflexion at impact happens due to what has gone before,pivot,wrist hinge,path.Please try and feel this with rehearsals and drills but don't focus your conscious mind on it while swinging freely at speed.

It's not unusual to find people who misinterpret that what happens in the 9 to 3 drill should also exactly happen in a full golf swing.

[SunkTheBirdie]

vman, on 23 March 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

I guess I had one dismissive post which I stand by but apologise if I caused offence.

You are hereby forgiven.
We do suggest 10 hail marys 1000 9 to 3 swings (with leverage) as penance and thou will be forgiven without prejudice.

[SunkTheBirdie]

dairic, on 23 March 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

It's not unusual to find people who misinterpret that what happens in the 9 to 3 drill should also exactly happen in a full golf swing.

That is a direct quote from the Foley DVD.

[vman]

SunkTheBirdie, on 23 March 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

vman, on 23 March 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

I guess I had one dismissive post which I stand by but apologise if I caused offence.

You are hereby forgiven.
We do suggest 10 hail marys 1000 9 to 3 swings (with leverage) as penance and thou will be forgiven without prejudice.

Aghh!I'm in trouble again...I don't do clock face swings.

[rankoutsider]

I was only pointing out what was happening.  I'm not upset at all about anything you did, vman.  In fact, I'm very glad you posted in the thread, since I am going to be spending the day studying this on V1 swings and on youtube and then going to hit a couple of big buckets to try to work this out.  Your post may have saved me weeks or more of misery (swinging like a caveman killing lunch) thinking I should be grooving something in a certain way that wasn't going to work in the long haul.

Great thread so far, at least for me and my swing.

[jblacoustics]

I think this is an excellent feel or image but only as a checkpoint that you are having sufficient shaft lean at impact IF that's what your ball flight requires.

What if we want a very high ball flight that needs to fade a bit? Are we gonna bend our R wrist for shaft lean?

I think if someone HAS TO intentionally keep the R wrist bent thru impact, it's because they have too much "clubhead drop" thru impact. They HAVE TO do it; otherwise the clubhead will dig into the ground hard if they don't lift their head.

[dairic]

SunkTheBirdie, on 23 March 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

dairic, on 23 March 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

It's not unusual to find people who misinterpret that what happens in the 9 to 3 drill should also exactly happen in a full golf swing.

That is a direct quote from the Foley DVD.

yes but this is not done by applying muscle power to keep it bent. That's exactly the same has "holding the lag" or forcing a flat left wrist at impact. Right wrist dorsi flexion at impact is the product of proper sequencing and arms staying connected and in front of body (i.e. arms subservient to the pivot). Now drilling the feeling that the wrist stays bent through impact by holding it bent could be a good teaching tool for those who have a history of being flippy, but it's just that...a drill.

Edited by dairic, 23 March 2013 - 11:34 AM.

[JasonFL]

True or false:

If you play with a strong grip you must maintain the cup in the left wrist at the top of the back you back swing to square the face? (as Fred Couples does)

And if you play with a strong grip and maintain a flat left wrist at the top of the back swing the face will be closed at the top?

Edited by JasonFL, 23 March 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[vman]

JasonFL, on 23 March 2013 - 11:43 AM, said:

True or false:

If you play with a strong grip you must maintain the cup in the left wrist at the top of the back you backswing to square the face? (as Fred Couples does)

And if you play with a strong grip and maintain a flat left wrist at the top of the back swing the face will be closed at the top?

Lee Trevino had a strong grip and an arched wrist at the top of his backswing,the opposite of Couples.A strong grip and a flat left wrist at the top of the backswing would tend to lead to a somewhat closed clubface and you would have to clear your left side and not let the left hand break down through impact,think Tommy Gainey.

[SunkTheBirdie]

Looks like this golfer in this 10 to 4 swing maintains the right wrist angle (leverage).

[dairic]

SunkTheBirdie, on 23 March 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Looks like this golfer in this 10 to 4 swing maintains the right wrist angle (leverage).

See post #15 in the following link. There is no holding of anything in the full swing. Interrupting momentum is a bad idea. Hold off is for drills only.

http://www.golfwrx.c...hout-the-swing/

[dairic]

Also notice how for example the best pivoter of them all eventually releases the bend in the right wrist. All of the bend is gone.

Check out my avatar and also this:

 rw unhinge.jpeg   63.92K   0 downloads

[MonteScheinblum]

vman, on 23 March 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

The golf swing from the beginning of the takeaway to impact takes about 1 1/2 seconds(not much thinking time),the clubface is on the ball for 4 ten thousandth's of a second.Do you believe you should be thinking about the angle of your right wrist prior to impact,should you try and get it into the "right" position or is the "right" position something that comes along by way of what's gone on before?

Best post in thread.

[coldmark]

I was following the thread about twirling to avoid the cast/flip but I believe this is the thread that fits me best. I do a lot of good things but I'm a lifelong flipper and under performer.  I've been working on maintaining the wrist angle the last 2 days and really like the feel. I could never convince myself to do this out of fear of losing speed and distance. But in reality, I feel more speed and it seems to force me into a good rotation and other good positions. Still 2 feet of snow so no range balls for a few weeks. I feel like I finally got past the desire to flip for speed. A good first step. Now to see if I can translate this into improved ball striking. Any/all advice is welcome.

[SunkTheBirdie]

Hello right wrist angle fans:
Zach Allen is a fan too.

[SpacklersEdge]

SunkTheBirdie, on 29 March 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Hello right wrist angle fans:
Zach Allen is a fan too.

This reminds me of the feeling I had when trying the BTRA spin...I think it may be a similar thing said in more than one way.  I liked this vid thanks for the post.