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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:42 PM

So curious could be wrong... But it seems like they get 15-20yds of roll if not more... I don't play PGA courses...they have very soft fairways where your lucky to not be plugged...

How many do you think would be 300+ if there was no roll?


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:34 PM

Half...maybe more...

These guys are good...:)
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:43 PM

there are some really long players out there. But I think the average carry on tour is 265-270 range though i may be wrong. They get a ton of roll, I don't want to look it up again but a lot of the 350-450yd drives are either at Kapalua or Firestone where they basically land on airplane runways. It's not like everyone out there is carrying it 300yds. There are a lot of guys carrying it 270-280 and getting 30yds of roll.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:35 PM

Yeah, Since they cut the fairways a lot tighter they tend to get more roll with the woods. And while hitting from the fairway they get more spin with the irons and the wedges.

You must be looking at these tournaments where it has recently rained.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:40 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 30 October 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

there are some really long players out there. But I think the average carry on tour is 265-270 range though i may be wrong. They get a ton of roll, I don't want to look it up again but a lot of the 350-450yd drives are either at Kapalua or Firestone where they basically land on airplane runways. It's not like everyone out there is carrying it 300yds. There are a lot of guys carrying it 270-280 and getting 30yds of roll.

You're right, but the thing that kills me is that a lot of people at home (me included!) are getting 20-30 yards of roll a lot of the time too.

Yeah, the odd new Orleans resident isn't getting any, but most of us are getting more than we think.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:53 PM

View PostThrillhouse, on 30 October 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 30 October 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

there are some really long players out there. But I think the average carry on tour is 265-270 range though i may be wrong. They get a ton of roll, I don't want to look it up again but a lot of the 350-450yd drives are either at Kapalua or Firestone where they basically land on airplane runways. It's not like everyone out there is carrying it 300yds. There are a lot of guys carrying it 270-280 and getting 30yds of roll.

You're right, but the thing that kills me is that a lot of people at home (me included!) are getting 20-30 yards of roll a lot of the time too.

Yeah, the odd new Orleans resident isn't getting any, but most of us are getting more than we think.

my course is brutal. Zero roll. I felt like i lost 2 club lengths instantly when i started playing there. I carried it between 250-260 most of the season. I'd play with my friends at their club and end up in the 280 range. At my club, 265 was a bomb for me. I don't really know if it's what the ground is underneath or if they just water it too much and it doesn't drain enough. The members always complain about it. Even this year we got no rain and i maybe hit a couple of 300 yarders at most
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:01 PM

Average PGA tour carry is 269yards. Average total distance is 290yards.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:09 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 30 October 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

View PostThrillhouse, on 30 October 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 30 October 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

there are some really long players out there. But I think the average carry on tour is 265-270 range though i may be wrong. They get a ton of roll, I don't want to look it up again but a lot of the 350-450yd drives are either at Kapalua or Firestone where they basically land on airplane runways. It's not like everyone out there is carrying it 300yds. There are a lot of guys carrying it 270-280 and getting 30yds of roll.

You're right, but the thing that kills me is that a lot of people at home (me included!) are getting 20-30 yards of roll a lot of the time too.

Yeah, the odd new Orleans resident isn't getting any, but most of us are getting more than we think.

my course is brutal. Zero roll. I felt like i lost 2 club lengths instantly when i started playing there. I carried it between 250-260 most of the season. I'd play with my friends at their club and end up in the 280 range. At my club, 265 was a bomb for me. I don't really know if it's what the ground is underneath or if they just water it too much and it doesn't drain enough. The members always complain about it. Even this year we got no rain and i maybe hit a couple of 300 yarders at most

Yeah but that's because they know mtljeffs coming so they soak the fairways because you'd be "too huge" if they gave you roll.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:46 AM

Those not of us not getting role on the ball off your drives, next time you get on a launch monitor, use a different ball. Something not like the prov1 or other premium ball, or even better a higher lofted driver and/or different shafts.

Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.

Edited by spitfisher, 31 October 2012 - 05:54 AM.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:53 AM

View Postkeyser, on 30 October 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Average PGA tour carry is 269yards. Average total distance is 290yards.

So, about 35 yards shorter on average than your regular WRXer?


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 06:18 AM

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:


Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.

Unless it's rolling backwards, it's distance.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 06:40 AM

View Postkeyser, on 30 October 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Average PGA tour carry is 269yards. Average total distance is 290yards.

This makes me feel alot better with my driving distance. Can only get 260 yards with about 250 carry

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:54 AM

I played in a local amateur tournament last weekend.  Seniors played the under 50 group.  The groups were the top 12 point getters based on the best performances over the season in regional golf association events as well as state and national events.  I am a senior as was my partner and we played two younger guys, one 22 and the other 33.  I have a swing speed around 104 and hit 8 iron about 150-155 with a smooth swing.  My partner, who is an excellent ball striker, is about the same.  We were being outdriven by at least 40 yards all day long by both of our opponents.  One of them plays for a Div 1 college.

My partner was telling me that he played in a ProAm this summer with Matt Kuchar.  All day long Kuchar was hitting it by him 50 yards with the driver.  My buddy asked Kuchar how the pros shoot those low numbers at a course like Harbor Town because it is so long!  Kuchar tells him Harbor Town isn't long.  The problem is he needs 50 more yards with the driver, and the proportionate additional yards with the irons, and he wouldn't think Harbor Town was long either.  And Kuchar is not relatively long!

The bottom line is the pros hit the ball much farther than the rest of us, plus their equipment fits them perfectly.  These are some of the best in the world.

So with roll the average tour pro would still be 50+ longer than me.  They may be 5 to 10 longer than the two guys we played.  But with the big hitters, they would be 40 yards behind them.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:28 PM

View PostBrianL99, on 31 October 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:


Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.

Unless it's rolling backwards, it's distance.

My point is lots of people have a mis conception that if the ball doesn't roll, then they are not hitting it far, most of us have read & comprehend spin, club head speed and launch angle....well decent angle also plays a role. In pure carried distance, the longest drive by John weekend golfer may only have 5 yards of roll, as opposed to a much shorter overall length drive may have 20 yards of roll. Drives by the pros now are carrying drives greater distances at a much higher apex and for the ball stays for a longer period of time at that apex. For the rest of us, no sooner is our ball hitting the apex, it begins to descend. I spent the last two  summers with a trackman launch monitor watching men and women hit the ball from Div 1 college golfers to 70 year olds in search of the fountain of youth and preverbal extra 15 yards, women golfers, golfers with high and low handicaps, it doesn't seem to matter. When Drew Brees or Tom Brady throws a football down field, they throw it at about 45-50 degrees....85% of us would benefit with greater distance and straighter drives at about 1/3 of that angle. At  14-22+ degrees of launch (depending on swing speed or smash factor) you'll get your longest drive without much roll.  Loft is your friend. I do understand the relevance of kick points and shaft weights, to most golfers out there thats just bar talk for another 3-5 yards.

There is obviously high ball and low ball hitters on tour, Martin Kaymer is probably the lowest ball hitter thats why he sucks at the masters, but this doesn't mean he the shortest driver out there. Conversely tiger and Rory are probably your highest ball hitters with any club.......look at their distances

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

View PostGone Right, on 31 October 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

View Postkeyser, on 30 October 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Average PGA tour carry is 269yards. Average total distance is 290yards.

So, about 35 yards shorter on average than your regular WRXer?

Now my co-workers think I am an idiot for spontaneous laughter.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:45 PM

I don't think I don't hit it far Because I think I do with zero roll because our fairways plug..

I think pros drives are over stated when people compare a pro drive to an average joe drive..

You look at there numbers and I was just like wow that's a ton of players over 300+ ad then you watch a tournament and they get 25+yds roll and your like AHhhh makes sense now

I have pro distance, I don't have pro consistency or pro mental game..IMO

Edited by clewallen, 31 October 2012 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:53 PM

The LPGA/PGA tournaments I've gone to had rock hard fairways.  I've never played a course with conditions that awesome (private courses).  I'm thinking IF I hit the fairway I'm going to be getting another 10-20 yards of roll.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:14 AM

View PostThrillhouse, on 30 October 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 30 October 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

there are some really long players out there. But I think the average carry on tour is 265-270 range though i may be wrong. They get a ton of roll, I don't want to look it up again but a lot of the 350-450yd drives are either at Kapalua or Firestone where they basically land on airplane runways. It's not like everyone out there is carrying it 300yds. There are a lot of guys carrying it 270-280 and getting 30yds of roll.

You're right, but the thing that kills me is that a lot of people at home (me included!) are getting 20-30 yards of roll a lot of the time too.

Yeah, the odd new Orleans resident isn't getting any, but most of us are getting more than we think.

You noticed all the odd folks in New Orleans too?

we're not getting much roll out here in the SF Bay Area either.  A lot of us are odd too.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 07:03 AM

It sure was fun this summer to get pro style roll on our fairways, it sure made me feel like a big hitter again.  Now its cold and wet and I have lost 2 club lengths.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:13 AM

I'm sure many of you have played courses that just finished a tour event.  The fairways are cut like putting greens and are all turf very little leaf.  I don't think the grass would survive much longer at those heights.  I may have hit one or two fairways, the rest rolled through into the rough.  This was a flat Florida course.  It really required a precise tee ball to keep it in the fairway.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:23 PM

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

View PostBrianL99, on 31 October 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.

Unless it's rolling backwards, it's distance.

My point is lots of people have a mis conception that if the ball doesn't roll, then they are not hitting it far, most of us have read & comprehend spin, club head speed and launch angle....well decent angle also plays a role. In pure carried distance, the longest drive by John weekend golfer may only have 5 yards of roll, as opposed to a much shorter overall length drive may have 20 yards of roll. Drives by the pros now are carrying drives greater distances at a much higher apex and for the ball stays for a longer period of time at that apex. For the rest of us, no sooner is our ball hitting the apex, it begins to descend. I spent the last two  summers with a trackman launch monitor watching men and women hit the ball from Div 1 college golfers to 70 year olds in search of the fountain of youth and preverbal extra 15 yards, women golfers, golfers with high and low handicaps, it doesn't seem to matter. When Drew Brees or Tom Brady throws a football down field, they throw it at about 45-50 degrees....85% of us would benefit with greater distance and straighter drives at about 1/3 of that angle. At  14-22+ degrees of launch (depending on swing speed or smash factor) you'll get your longest drive without much roll.  Loft is your friend. I do understand the relevance of kick points and shaft weights, to most golfers out there thats just bar talk for another 3-5 yards.

There is obviously high ball and low ball hitters on tour, Martin Kaymer is probably the lowest ball hitter thats why he sucks at the masters, but this doesn't mean he the shortest driver out there. Conversely tiger and Rory are probably your highest ball hitters with any club.......look at their distances

If you aren't getting much roll, unless you are playing on soft turf, you aren't maximizing distance. I agree most people don't launch the high enough, and higher launch could probably help with accuracy in many cases, but most golfers don't hit the ball the way you need to to achieve optimal launch conditions. And while Tiger is a high ball hitter, his launch with the driver is not really that high relative to the rest of the tour. You want high watch Bubba.

As far as distance, most of them don't carry the ball especially far (265-275), but they have close to optimal conditions so when the course allows it, which is most weeks, they do get a lot of roll. However, the longest guys are long and can carry it around 300 or more.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:52 PM

View PostTLUBulldogGolf, on 02 November 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

View PostBrianL99, on 31 October 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.

Unless it's rolling backwards, it's distance.

My point is lots of people have a mis conception that if the ball doesn't roll, then they are not hitting it far, most of us have read & comprehend spin, club head speed and launch angle....well decent angle also plays a role. In pure carried distance, the longest drive by John weekend golfer may only have 5 yards of roll, as opposed to a much shorter overall length drive may have 20 yards of roll. Drives by the pros now are carrying drives greater distances at a much higher apex and for the ball stays for a longer period of time at that apex. For the rest of us, no sooner is our ball hitting the apex, it begins to descend. I spent the last two  summers with a trackman launch monitor watching men and women hit the ball from Div 1 college golfers to 70 year olds in search of the fountain of youth and preverbal extra 15 yards, women golfers, golfers with high and low handicaps, it doesn't seem to matter. When Drew Brees or Tom Brady throws a football down field, they throw it at about 45-50 degrees....85% of us would benefit with greater distance and straighter drives at about 1/3 of that angle. At  14-22+ degrees of launch (depending on swing speed or smash factor) you'll get your longest drive without much roll.  Loft is your friend. I do understand the relevance of kick points and shaft weights, to most golfers out there thats just bar talk for another 3-5 yards.

There is obviously high ball and low ball hitters on tour, Martin Kaymer is probably the lowest ball hitter thats why he sucks at the masters, but this doesn't mean he the shortest driver out there. Conversely tiger and Rory are probably your highest ball hitters with any club.......look at their distances

If you aren't getting much roll, unless you are playing on soft turf, you aren't maximizing distance. I agree most people don't launch the high enough, and higher launch could probably help with accuracy in many cases, but most golfers don't hit the ball the way you need to to achieve optimal launch conditions. And while Tiger is a high ball hitter, his launch with the driver is not really that high relative to the rest of the tour. You want high watch Bubba.

As far as distance, most of them don't carry the ball especially far (265-275), but they have close to optimal conditions so when the course allows it, which is most weeks, they do get a lot of roll. However, the longest guys are long and can carry it around 300 or more.

Now here is where it gets fun... Bubba launches it at 16-17 and spins its 1800 then tweets about it.  The guy is a total freak of nature and manipulates the club well. On course its a totally different story, hes ranked 180th on tour in launch angle with 8.79 launch with 51 attempts on TrackMan.  So hes obviously got a very positive AoA range swing and a "get it in play" swing on course too.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:52 AM

View PostJ.W., on 02 November 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

View PostTLUBulldogGolf, on 02 November 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

View PostBrianL99, on 31 October 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.

Unless it's rolling backwards, it's distance.

My point is lots of people have a mis conception that if the ball doesn't roll, then they are not hitting it far, most of us have read & comprehend spin, club head speed and launch angle....well decent angle also plays a role. In pure carried distance, the longest drive by John weekend golfer may only have 5 yards of roll, as opposed to a much shorter overall length drive may have 20 yards of roll. Drives by the pros now are carrying drives greater distances at a much higher apex and for the ball stays for a longer period of time at that apex. For the rest of us, no sooner is our ball hitting the apex, it begins to descend. I spent the last two  summers with a trackman launch monitor watching men and women hit the ball from Div 1 college golfers to 70 year olds in search of the fountain of youth and preverbal extra 15 yards, women golfers, golfers with high and low handicaps, it doesn't seem to matter. When Drew Brees or Tom Brady throws a football down field, they throw it at about 45-50 degrees....85% of us would benefit with greater distance and straighter drives at about 1/3 of that angle. At  14-22+ degrees of launch (depending on swing speed or smash factor) you'll get your longest drive without much roll.  Loft is your friend. I do understand the relevance of kick points and shaft weights, to most golfers out there thats just bar talk for another 3-5 yards.

There is obviously high ball and low ball hitters on tour, Martin Kaymer is probably the lowest ball hitter thats why he sucks at the masters, but this doesn't mean he the shortest driver out there. Conversely tiger and Rory are probably your highest ball hitters with any club.......look at their distances

If you aren't getting much roll, unless you are playing on soft turf, you aren't maximizing distance. I agree most people don't launch the high enough, and higher launch could probably help with accuracy in many cases, but most golfers don't hit the ball the way you need to to achieve optimal launch conditions. And while Tiger is a high ball hitter, his launch with the driver is not really that high relative to the rest of the tour. You want high watch Bubba.

As far as distance, most of them don't carry the ball especially far (265-275), but they have close to optimal conditions so when the course allows it, which is most weeks, they do get a lot of roll. However, the longest guys are long and can carry it around 300 or more.

Now here is where it gets fun... Bubba launches it at 16-17 and spins its 1800 then tweets about it.  The guy is a total freak of nature and manipulates the club well. On course its a totally different story, hes ranked 180th on tour in launch angle with 8.79 launch with 51 attempts on TrackMan.  So hes obviously got a very positive AoA range swing and a "get it in play" swing on course too.

http://www.pgatour.c...ats/info/?02404

Expain to me how immelman launches it at 6.72 degrees on average. That's truly his average? Is he leaving like 30 yards onthe table?
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:25 AM

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

View PostBrianL99, on 31 October 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.

Unless it's rolling backwards, it's distance.

My point is lots of people have a mis conception that if the ball doesn't roll, then they are not hitting it far, most of us have read & comprehend spin, club head speed and launch angle....well decent angle also plays a role. In pure carried distance, the longest drive by John weekend golfer may only have 5 yards of roll, as opposed to a much shorter overall length drive may have 20 yards of roll. Drives by the pros now are carrying drives greater distances at a much higher apex and for the ball stays for a longer period of time at that apex. For the rest of us, no sooner is our ball hitting the apex, it begins to descend. I spent the last two  summers with a trackman launch monitor watching men and women hit the ball from Div 1 college golfers to 70 year olds in search of the fountain of youth and preverbal extra 15 yards, women golfers, golfers with high and low handicaps, it doesn't seem to matter. When Drew Brees or Tom Brady throws a football down field, they throw it at about 45-50 degrees....85% of us would benefit with greater distance and straighter drives at about 1/3 of that angle. At  14-22+ degrees of launch (depending on swing speed or smash factor) you'll get your longest drive without much roll.  Loft is your friend. I do understand the relevance of kick points and shaft weights, to most golfers out there thats just bar talk for another 3-5 yards.

There is obviously high ball and low ball hitters on tour, Martin Kaymer is probably the lowest ball hitter thats why he sucks at the masters, but this doesn't mean he the shortest driver out there. Conversely tiger and Rory are probably your highest ball hitters with any club.......look at their distances

I'm far from an expert at Trackman Data, but after a fitting at the TaylorMade Performance Lab, I gained 21 yards.   That's measured over about 1000 Tee Shots, under real course conditions.   I track about 4-5 Drives per round with my GPS.  I was averaging 229 (carry & roll) before fitting, 249-251 after.  (I don't measure "misses", so the word "average" is not an exact description, but close enough for my purposes).

Swing speed around 98
Driver Loft = 9*
Launch Angle = 11.5*-12.5*
Spin = 1800-2200

My "average carry" probably only increased about 5-6 yards.  The major difference was an improvement in trajectory that caused more roll.  Just a guess, but I suspect the operative change in trajectory was mostly the angle of descent.

Prior to fitting, measured over 150 rounds, my "longest" drive was 251.
Post fitting, i have 20 drives over 275, in 150 rounds.

Edited by BrianL99, 03 November 2012 - 05:26 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:20 AM

[quote name='pinhigh27' timestamp='1351921961' post='5885561']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1351914775' post='5885327']
[quote name='TLUBulldogGolf' timestamp='1351912980' post='5885231']
[quote name='spitfisher' timestamp='1351704498' post='5873045']
[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1351682322' post='5871393']
[quote name='spitfisher' timestamp='1351680382' post='5871357']
Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.
[/quote]

Unless it's rolling backwards, it's distance.
[/quote]

My point is lots of people have a mis conception that if the ball doesn't roll, then they are not hitting it far, most of us have read & comprehend spin, club head speed and launch angle....well decent angle also plays a role. In pure carried distance, the longest drive by John weekend golfer may only have 5 yards of roll, as opposed to a much shorter overall length drive may have 20 yards of roll. Drives by the pros now are carrying drives greater distances at a much higher apex and for the ball stays for a longer period of time at that apex. For the rest of us, no sooner is our ball hitting the apex, it begins to descend. I spent the last two  summers with a trackman launch monitor watching men and women hit the ball from Div 1 college golfers to 70 year olds in search of the fountain of youth and preverbal extra 15 yards, women golfers, golfers with high and low handicaps, it doesn't seem to matter. When Drew Brees or Tom Brady throws a football down field, they throw it at about 45-50 degrees....85% of us would benefit with greater distance and straighter drives at about 1/3 of that angle. At  14-22+ degrees of launch (depending on swing speed or smash factor) you'll get your longest drive without much roll.  Loft is your friend. I do understand the relevance of kick points and shaft weights, to most golfers out there thats just bar talk for another 3-5 yards.

There is obviously high ball and low ball hitters on tour, Martin Kaymer is probably the lowest ball hitter thats why he sucks at the masters, but this doesn't mean he the shortest driver out there. Conversely tiger and Rory are probably your highest ball hitters with any club.......look at their distances
[/quote]

If you aren't getting much roll, unless you are playing on soft turf, you aren't maximizing distance. I agree most people don't launch the high enough, and higher launch could probably help with accuracy in many cases, but most golfers don't hit the ball the way you need to to achieve optimal launch conditions. And while Tiger is a high ball hitter, his launch with the driver is not really that high relative to the rest of the tour. You want high watch Bubba.

As far as distance, most of them don't carry the ball especially far (265-275), but they have close to optimal conditions so when the course allows it, which is most weeks, they do get a lot of roll. However, the longest guys are long and can carry it around 300 or more.
[/quote]

Now here is where it gets fun... Bubba launches it at 16-17 and spins its 1800 then tweets about it.  The guy is a total freak of nature and manipulates the club well. On course its a totally different story, hes ranked 180th on tour in launch angle with 8.79 launch with 51 attempts on TrackMan.  So hes obviously got a very positive AoA range swing and a "get it in play" swing on course too.

[url="http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02404"]http://www.pgatour.c...ats/info/?02404[/url]
[/quote]

Expain to me how immelman launches it at 6.72 degrees on average. That's truly his average? Is he leaving like 30 yards onthe table?
[/quote]

Maybe but generally the courses they play are more conducive to roll than anything we'll see as normal golfers.  Launching it higher would require him to change his swing and that's probably something he doesn't want to do.  His ball speed is still 170+ so its not an issue I would guess.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:02 AM

View Postspitfisher, on 31 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

There is obviously high ball and low ball hitters on tour, Martin Kaymer is probably the lowest ball hitter thats why he sucks at the masters, but this doesn't mean he the shortest driver out there. Conversely tiger and Rory are probably your highest ball hitters with any club.......look at their distances

I've followed him a few times and he's definitely not a low ball hitter. Might not hit it as high as Tiger, but there are few guys on the European Tour that have a higher trajectory than him based on my experience.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:19 AM

I was just watching a re run of the frys.com open.  at the driveable 17th which was 275 to front , most were.hitting driver about 280 ish through the air, down wind and a lovely warm day.

a couple of beasts were hitting 3w! to the green.

several layed up.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 01:24 PM

17th at the fry's is also a bit downhill i believe
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 02:09 PM

the green was definitely lower than the tee.  the commentator said the carry needed at just over 270 was right on the average of quite a few of the players.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:21 PM

[quote name='pinhigh27' timestamp='1351921961' post='5885561']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1351914775' post='5885327']
[quote name='TLUBulldogGolf' timestamp='1351912980' post='5885231']
[quote name='spitfisher' timestamp='1351704498' post='5873045']
[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1351682322' post='5871393']
[quote name='spitfisher' timestamp='1351680382' post='5871357']
Btw roll does not equate to distance necessarily.
[/quote]

Unless it's rolling backwards, it's distance.
[/quote]

My point is lots of people have a mis conception that if the ball doesn't roll, then they are not hitting it far, most of us have read & comprehend spin, club head speed and launch angle....well decent angle also plays a role. In pure carried distance, the longest drive by John weekend golfer may only have 5 yards of roll, as opposed to a much shorter overall length drive may have 20 yards of roll. Drives by the pros now are carrying drives greater distances at a much higher apex and for the ball stays for a longer period of time at that apex. For the rest of us, no sooner is our ball hitting the apex, it begins to descend. I spent the last two  summers with a trackman launch monitor watching men and women hit the ball from Div 1 college golfers to 70 year olds in search of the fountain of youth and preverbal extra 15 yards, women golfers, golfers with high and low handicaps, it doesn't seem to matter. When Drew Brees or Tom Brady throws a football down field, they throw it at about 45-50 degrees....85% of us would benefit with greater distance and straighter drives at about 1/3 of that angle. At  14-22+ degrees of launch (depending on swing speed or smash factor) you'll get your longest drive without much roll.  Loft is your friend. I do understand the relevance of kick points and shaft weights, to most golfers out there thats just bar talk for another 3-5 yards.

There is obviously high ball and low ball hitters on tour, Martin Kaymer is probably the lowest ball hitter thats why he sucks at the masters, but this doesn't mean he the shortest driver out there. Conversely tiger and Rory are probably your highest ball hitters with any club.......look at their distances
[/quote]

If you aren't getting much roll, unless you are playing on soft turf, you aren't maximizing distance. I agree most people don't launch the high enough, and higher launch could probably help with accuracy in many cases, but most golfers don't hit the ball the way you need to to achieve optimal launch conditions. And while Tiger is a high ball hitter, his launch with the driver is not really that high relative to the rest of the tour. You want high watch Bubba.

As far as distance, most of them don't carry the ball especially far (265-275), but they have close to optimal conditions so when the course allows it, which is most weeks, they do get a lot of roll. However, the longest guys are long and can carry it around 300 or more.
[/quote]

Now here is where it gets fun... Bubba launches it at 16-17 and spins its 1800 then tweets about it.  The guy is a total freak of nature and manipulates the club well. On course its a totally different story, hes ranked 180th on tour in launch angle with 8.79 launch with 51 attempts on TrackMan.  So hes obviously got a very positive AoA range swing and a "get it in play" swing on course too.

[url="http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02404"]http://www.pgatour.c...ats/info/?02404[/url]
[/quote]

Expain to me how immelman launches it at 6.72 degrees on average. That's truly his average? Is he leaving like 30 yards onthe table?
[/quote]
If his AoA is something like -4 then that would be about his best launch.
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