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#31 SHIVAN

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:40 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 27 October 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Quite successful at getting kids who could have played DII golf into DI golf etc.

I must be missing it, reading too fast or plainly omitted, but it doesn't sound like he could make a DII program at this point, and needs this next year plus another year, post-HS, to make a collegiate program of any kind.  This worries me, I guess my parental feelings are creeping out.

Awil what is your scoring average right now?  Slope and rating of the average course you play?  Best score in a tournament round?


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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:46 PM

View PostSHIVAN, on 27 October 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 27 October 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Quite successful at getting kids who could have played DII golf into DI golf etc.

I must be missing it, reading too fast or plainly omitted, but it doesn't sound like he could make a DII program at this point, and needs this next year plus another year, post-HS, to make a collegiate program of any kind.  This worries me, I guess my parental feelings are creeping out.

Awil what is your scoring average right now?  Slope and rating of the average course you play?  Best score in a tournament round?
With the finishes he had this summer I'm guessing he can certainly play college golf right now. Probably smaller DII school but he could make a team.  He will find out real quick in fcwt events how he stacks up.

How does this worry you as a parent?  He wants to play college golf.  The worst thing that happens he falls short and goes to college a year later.  If he has the means I can't possibly see how letting a kid go after his dream is a bad thing

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:51 PM

On second thought, I don't care, really at all.  Good luck man!  I hope you make it.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:56 PM

View PostSHIVAN, on 27 October 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

On second thought, I don't care, really at all.  Good luck man!  I hope you make it.

Good, you can leave the kid alone now.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:11 PM

View Postpinhigh27, on 26 October 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

View Postawil, on 26 October 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

I am 5-10 and 138 ... I am able to hit the ball as far as I do because of the amount of weight I do with my hockey team and the program that we do .
So I have seen results from muscle building when I strayed a year ago I hit the ball 200 and I weighed 110
So by bulking up I just meant putting more muscle on

You are 5 10 138.. You are still incredibly undersized. You make it sound like you make some crazy gains and that is responsible for your distance gains. You are a junior in high school. I'm willing to bet you gained some height too. If you were 5 10 110 then you'd be pure bone. Ever thought your growth spurt was responsible for some of your distance gains? Where is the correlation between muscle and distance? I have at least 10 pounds of lean body mass more than rory and nick watney but both of them can outdrive me like crazy. I'm a big advocate of strength training and perform high intensity compound lifts 3x a week, however I'm not doing those with the intention of adding distance. I just don't think you've thought this through much with respect to the fitness aspect or know that much about what you are talking about.

View Postpinhigh27, on 26 October 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

View Postawil, on 26 October 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

I am 5-10 and 138 ... I am able to hit the ball as far as I do because of the amount of weight I do with my hockey team and the program that we do .
So I have seen results from muscle building when I strayed a year ago I hit the ball 200 and I weighed 110
So by bulking up I just meant putting more muscle on

You are 5 10 138.. You are still incredibly undersized.

Yea you are puny,
(cool) (cool) (cool) (just kidding)
then again there are some puny golfers on the pga tour
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:31 PM

I can tell you that I am also a junior this year and will definitely not be heading to college after my senior year. Due to a late birthday I'll only be 17 and feel that I'd like another year to mature and even work on my game. I plan on going back for the first semester and only taking like a half day schedule, possibly a co-op program at a local course and then spend the remainder of the day doing as I wish and even working on my game. This also enables me to play another year of HS golf too.
My 2 cents,
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:07 AM

View Postneudles, on 31 October 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

I can tell you that I am also a junior this year and will definitely not be heading to college after my senior year. Due to a late birthday I'll only be 17 and feel that I'd like another year to mature and even work on my game. I plan on going back for the first semester and only taking like a half day schedule, possibly a co-op program at a local course and then spend the remainder of the day doing as I wish and even working on my game. This also enables me to play another year of HS golf too.
My 2 cents,
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You're going to play 5 years of HS golf?
How to be in better shape for golf?
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Compound lifts w/ linear progress
Don't forget the mobility work.
More results, more functional

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:07 AM

Most people are probably like me - sat at a crushingly dull desk job wishing we'd done something fun and self absorbed like the OP, before the crushing reality of wife, kids, mortgage and working for a dick of a boss hit home.

Go for it OP -I wished I'd had your dedication and drive at your age. Getting a 'real' job can wait a year - you only get one life, live it.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:03 PM

Tried to send you a pm awil but wasn't able to.

Edited by TRoc9892, 02 November 2012 - 06:03 PM.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:12 AM

View PostTRoc9892, on 02 November 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Tried to send you a pm awil but wasn't able to.
Hmmm ill check why that's not working


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:58 AM

View Postawil, on 25 October 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

View PostArizonalefty59, on 25 October 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Don't take a year off......
Why so I'm looking for some opinions?
I know alot of colleges like kids to bulk up for other sports and I'd imagine with golf bulking up while playing very compatible golf could easily get me anothe level up an possibly a scholarship for books
Don't sacrifice your education for golf...............
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 01:14 PM

If taking that year off secures you a college scholarship then it's a very wise decision.  Avoid student loans if at all possible.  Taking on a mountain of debt in order to get a 4 year degree is a very bad move for most unless it's a high demand technical degree like Engineering where high paying jobs are more plentiful.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

Here's my final advice, from somebody who played college golf.  If your goal is a golf scholarship, and you are already a consistent low 70's shooter in tournaments, and feel a little more exposure is what you need to get a scholarship, then by all means go for it.  If you are an 85 shooter on a good day in a tournament, and you figure you are going to improve if you dedicate a year to golf, you're probably better off going to school and playing golf for fun or going to play for a D3 school that is not so competitive.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:43 AM

Do it. Id do what iteach says. Go to an academy in California, Florida, South Carolina, etc. Some people in this thread are crazy...

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:25 AM

View PostArizonalefty59, on 03 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

View Postawil, on 25 October 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

View PostArizonalefty59, on 25 October 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Don't take a year off......
Why so I'm looking for some opinions?
I know alot of colleges like kids to bulk up for other sports and I'd imagine with golf bulking up while playing very compatible golf could easily get me anothe level up an possibly a scholarship for books
Don't sacrifice your education for golf...............

Don't sacrifice your life for a job sat in an office wishing you'd played golf when you were young


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:46 PM

How long are ACT or SAT scores considered current?  You don't want to get a year out of school and then take them when you're out of practice academically speaking.  What are your tournament scores?  It's hard to give you advice when we don't know what you're actually doing.  If you have someone to pay the bills, moving to Florida and playing golf for a year would be great.  If you're going to pay your own way, you need a trust fund, because you won't get better working at MickeyD's, trying to scrape out a living and play golf.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:54 PM

Do NOT take the year off.  If you're as good as you think, you'll make the college team on skill.  If you're not - there's your answer.  As a side note, taking the time off has consequences too; discovering how much you enjoy the freedom and partying.  I saw it in my son.  Those are the death of college for many HS grads.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:06 PM

It's really all about how much self-discipline you have.  The longer you're away from school, the harder it is to go back as your knowledge and skills erode.  You have to be brutally honest with yourself about whether you've got the discipline to work really hard at improving in that year off and whether you can get yourself to go back to school after that year off (and be successful at it).

The flip side is that a lot of HS kids aren't mature enough to handle being on their own as a college freshman and fail or drop out and a year away working a job and on your game might just instill some of the maturity you'll need to handle the college experience.  Even if you or your parents have the money saved to support you in your year off, I'd suggest getting at least a part time job for this very reason (it will keep you in a routine and provide some structure that you'll need in college).

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:07 PM

35 percent of first year college students drop out, and only 63 percent of people who embark on a four year degree complete it.

So, going to college right away vs taking a year off doesn't indicate that you'll finish. Worse yet a lot of people who go to college right away have no clue what they want to do with their lives and wind up wishing they got their degree or degrees in something else.

Food for thought.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:46 PM

View PostThrillhouse, on 05 November 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

35 percent of first year college students drop out, and only 63 percent of people who embark on a four year degree complete it.

So, going to college right away vs taking a year off doesn't indicate that you'll finish. Worse yet a lot of people who go to college right away have no clue what they want to do with their lives and wind up wishing they got their degree or degrees in something else.

Food for thought.
Oh man. You wouldn't believe the amount of people I've spoken to who wish they'd taken time off before starting college. Suprisingly the majority.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:19 AM

View PostGaijin_Golfer, on 26 October 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

So you want to take a year off, living in apartments and flying around to various tournaments?  Really?  Go to college and get an education so that you can get a, "real" job.  Chasing a dream is fine but you still need to be realistic.


First, unbelievably ridiculous post, next time just refrain will you! Imagine if Michael Jordan took your advice when he couldn't make his high school basketball team (don't tell me that is different, all he did was work his a** off one offseason and we all know the rest). I can't stand people who try to quash someone else's dream - damn it, just don't do it. He should strive to be exceptional, not realistic - especially most peoples idea of reality.  Wonder who you're voting for today?

Second, I don't know much about junior or college golf but if you have the means to take a year off, the discipline to actually do the work necessary and finally have the support of your family then go ahead. I do agree with others who say to get with a coach or academy so you can have the facilities, coaching and talent around you to maximize your potential. My only other question is do you know what you would study if you did go to college? If your only reason to go to school is golf then it might be good to develop and test your skill for the year as well as consider what you will study when you do go to school.

Follow your dream man - don't listen to anyone who'll say you can't do it - successful people hear those words and use them to fuel greater achievement!

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:22 AM

Been here, done that with my son, so here's a little from what I learned:

Why not consider this, you are a junior in H.S. (fall of Jr. year of H.S.), and have less ~1 year left to get into college golf programs.  You need to know where your game is at ASAP, where it can be or needs to be soon in order to entice college golf coaches.  Most big Div I college golf teams will have made their choices before you start your senior year in H.S. (for the incoming year you would start college), save for a last minute additions, drop outs for various reasons...change of mind/commitment, etc.  I think Div. II & III (Div. III = no athletic scholarship, but many give academic scholarships) go further into your H.S. senior year before filling out their roster for what would be your 1st year in college.

You say you haven't played much competitive golf....you need to play some competitive caliber golf...be it:
  • State Golf Association Jr. Tournies,
  • Private Junior Tours (in state/surrounding states),
  • Larger Private Tours (FCWT) and ultimately
  • AJGA (and/or regional/national Jr. Amateur Championships, etc).
One question is...do you have realistic expectations?, or are you like some youngsters that have a 78 scoring average on 6,000 yrd courses and say "they only want to play for the top 10 Div I schools"?  If you are realistic and simply want to find a college team that suits your skills (and you can always improve and be that much more of a player), check into the GolfStat Prep Report below that matches up your current scoring average to what college players are currently shooting, at least you can go after a team where your current scoring average is competitive with what they are shooting.  Like I said in the bottom blurb, I used a scoring average of 100 and you won't believe there are college teams that sport that for the best player of the team...of course, you can select anything you want.

Take your choice, but if you don't play these tournaments, the coaches don't have much to judge you against other players.  The larger the school/division, the more you would need to demonstrate competitiveness at the end of this list. You are in Minn, so your playing season is about to come to an end until what....April/May at the earliest?  How well you've done in competitive golf also shows up in national rankings of high school players (http://www.juniorgol...ngs_display.asp ) which you can use in your communications with college coaches....which should start before you even apply to the team, to get them to know you are interested, let them know your schedule, and then communicate your results (but you should have a good idea before that time that you are competitive to their current prospects/players, otherwise you wont get any 'looks').

Below is part of an earlier post I made on a similar thread.  I thought the Golfstat Prep Report was pretty cool as it give you an indication of what schools fit your current scoring average....that you can compare your scoring average with their top 1-5 players.  It even tells you how many players each college team has at each college year level, so if you see a college team with 4-5 players listed as Seniors then you know they will have a large turnover the following year, if that was to be your incoming year of college (remember, most teams don't take but 1-3 players/year).
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Posted 08 February 2009 - 06:23 PM Yes, I just went through all this with my son :yahoo: :clapping: . But we should have started the process a lot earlier than we did....remember, most colleges (not all, but probably most) will have completed their rosters for your freshman college year by the time you start you senior year in high school.

OK, so where do you start looking? There's literally thousands of schools, colleges, universities? One way is to see 'where your scores fit' into the pre-existing scoring by the starting golf team (usually the top 5 players).

I thought the GolfStat Prep Report was a very good utility for the purpose of identifying where your scores 'fit in' with the current top-5 players on any given team (they only go up to the top 5 players).

http://college.golfs.../prepreport.cfm

If you plan to play AJGA...and join up (I think it's about $250-300 membership fee), you get a free subscription to both the GolfStat Prep Report & the Ping College Guide, or you can subscribe to the Golfstat Prep Report without joining the AJGA... I think it's like $40.

But I think the Golfstat Prep Report addresses your current need.... what school/golf teams would you fit in with your golf scores?

I made 2 slide shows (you can mouse-over the bottom of the slide show and double click on the indiviual slide to stay on that slide)

The first showing the login page, the selection criteria page, and a result of using the prep report (I used selection criteria of Div I, Texas, and scoring average for 5th player > 75):




For the 2nd one, I took the "75" scoring average and increased it to "78" (presuming you haven't played courses as tough as 7,000 yrd AJGA courses) and selected all Div I, II, III in California, Texas, Florida, New York (the largest states...they have the most schools) and selected that the "5th player on the team has an average score of greater than 78"(what this does is say the 1-4th guys on the team are likely shooting lower scores than 78, but the 5th guy is shooting higher....so a spot on the squad is competitive to anyone in this range...you can make any such configuration you can imagine). Here's the 71 selections that came up (and I didn't even select Juco or NAIA schools, or other states):



If you look at the results you will see the scoring average, rounds played, year in college for the entire team for the schools that fit the selection criteria (i.e., 5th player has scoring average > 78) and you will also see (on the right) how many players are in a given year....so you can expect if you are a high school junior and a team has 4 college juniors, that they would need to replace several, if not all of those, by the time you would start college....the more that they graduate in a given year, the more positions they'll likely be looking to replace.

Good luck .. hope this helps.

p.s. - for giggles, we did a search for schools where the top player had a scoring average of 100, and you won't believe how many there are. So one way to look at it, is would you rather be a player with a 78-scoring average, never playing a round of competitive college golf because you're among the higher scorers on the team (that is, if you even got on the team), or would you rather find a team where your current average score is competitive to their current starting 5 (not that you couldn't improve in either situation). Another consideration is, are your scores and high school tournament courses of the same caliber that will be played in college....likely not....so you may need to consider that an average high school score of 75 might play more like a 78-80-83 on a Div 1 college track (or use your AJGA scores as a measure...most of the top kids there will be playing college golf).

Edited by bulls9999, 06 November 2012 - 11:47 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

Definitely a big proponent of making that year after HS a 'gap year' if you have the means. After my freshman year I took a year off to figure out what I was passionate about, which eventually led into an internship and finding out what I wanted to do when I finally have to get a real job. Glad I did it, but wish I would have done it right after high school as it seems most people have no idea what they want to do when they get into college anyway. Taking a year off to play golf is something a lot of people would kill for.

I don't know what your ACT/SAT scores or GPA is, but if taking a year off can get you a scholarship or into a school that fits you, by all means do it.

Besides, most of your classmates are going to be taking five years to finish college anyway. You probably won't be losing any ground to them.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:54 PM

Ok so here is this years tournament average and last years average .
I Plan on  Dropping more strokes next season and doing a lot of fcwt this winter as I'm 98% Lilkely going to be cut from hockey .
http://mnpgajr.blueg...0/tresults.htm?
Here is last years
http://mnpgajr.blueg...statl=mnpgajr11
I know they don't look to impressive but again I'm a bit out of my comfort zone on those courses. I usually play my home course
The wilds golf club in prior lake from 7000 /154 slope
My handicap is down to a 5.3

Hope this helps everyone oh btw it was a 10 this spring .

I talked the idea over with my parents who think ill be able to play somewhere and as a last ditch effort if I make it to state and don't play for any teams they will fund ad support the year off


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:58 PM

My family actually lives in Prior Lake.   You will have to do a lot of work, but I've had a junior go from about where you're at to a scratch golfer in a year and was Conference Champion and placed 6th in regionals this year.  He has one more year in HS and has a good shot at playing D1 golf.  

You need to play tournaments but you also need to go somewhere that you can work with a professional who has a history of creating good players and spends time on scoring and course management.  Not necessarily a big time golf academy.  Just playing events won't make you better to the extent you will need.  I can try to answer any questions if you wanna email me at dciteachgolf@gmail.com.  Any way you choose, good luck


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:23 PM

Those scores do not indicate much.  Its because of those numbers and my professional background speaking to university students regarding career planning, I suggest the smarter more disciplined, sadly unpopular choice (based on the advice seen here). Got to college and do not blow a valuable year.  While there, when time exists, do what's necessary to see about playing on a team.  If you can't do both, then at least your focusing on the greater priority of education, and will finish quicker than all those that goof off, looking to postpone growing up and moving into a career position.

Choosing a career is NOT rocket science, nor is it an unchangeable decision.  If you're destine to be a really good golfer, that will happen.  Its easier to return to golf later then it is goofing off for a year or more, and thinking you'll go back to college.  Discipline gets harder and harder to find as a few years pass.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:36 PM

View PostPepperturbo, on 08 November 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Those scores do not indicate much.  Its because of those numbers and my professional background speaking to university students regarding career planning, I suggest the smarter more disciplined, sadly unpopular choice (based on the advice seen here). Got to college and do not blow a valuable year.  While there, when time exists, do what's necessary to see about playing on a team.  If you can't do both, then at least your focusing on the greater priority of education, and will finish quicker than all those that goof off, looking to postpone growing up and moving into a career position.

Choosing a career is NOT rocket science, nor is it an unchangeable decision.  If you're destine to be a really good golfer, that will happen.  Its easier to return to golf later then it is goofing off for a year or more, and thinking you'll go back to college.  Discipline gets harder and harder to find as a few years pass.

I think there is a serious lack of good guidance in this country that causes a great deal of problems for young people going forward.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:10 PM

View Postej002, on 08 November 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

View PostPepperturbo, on 08 November 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Those scores do not indicate much.  Its because of those numbers and my professional background speaking to university students regarding career planning, I suggest the smarter more disciplined, sadly unpopular choice (based on the advice seen here). Got to college and do not blow a valuable year.  While there, when time exists, do what's necessary to see about playing on a team.  If you can't do both, then at least your focusing on the greater priority of education, and will finish quicker than all those that goof off, looking to postpone growing up and moving into a career position.

Choosing a career is NOT rocket science, nor is it an unchangeable decision.  If you're destine to be a really good golfer, that will happen.  Its easier to return to golf later then it is goofing off for a year or more, and thinking you'll go back to college.  Discipline gets harder and harder to find as a few years pass.

I think there is a serious lack of good guidance in this country that causes a great deal of problems for young people going forward.

That's an understatement.  I can't tell you how much time I have spent on stage talking to auditoriums filled with idealistic students wanting to make, what they view, as the perfect career decision.  They think its rocket science, when all it really comes down to is Ben Franklin decisions, picking something you like, sticking with it, giving your all, till you realize some upward accomplishment, then decide if your happy with what's been happening, and might happen.

Sounds a bit unusual, but picking a "career" and sticking with it is much like picking a spouse & marriage".  People need to know their likes, dislikes and wants, and choose as wisely as possible, someone similar, and then make a commitment to their choice.  NOTHING is perfect, so be prepared for what lays in front to change, including people.  

That's why the "average" college graduate takes so long to graduate, has 4-5 different career level positions by 30 years old, and still isn't sure what makes him/her happy.  Success isn't so much the result of the job choice; it's about knowing yourself, setting up goals, making a commitment, using mature judgment and persevering.  Sadly, for most, what normally happens to careers is a crap shoot, impulsiveness and poor judgment, and oops, I need a job.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:15 PM

Sounds like all the more reason to take a gap year. If the OP finds out that golf isn't for him, or finds something more meaningful outside of college then so much the better. How you can know yourself having only spent it in the education conveyer belt is beyond me.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:39 PM

Don't know exactly what your interests are in the level of college golf you want to play.  I can say that there are plenty of community colleges with golf teams that compete in their own divisions.  You could focus on golf while taking a minimum class load for eligibility.  The options after that are endless... Play in some actual college tournaments, and if you play well move on to a university on golf scholarship after community college.  Just a thought.

I went to college immediately after high school and it was the best move for me.

The best thing about playing any type of college golf is the fact that you will be able to practice and play for a lot less money!! :victory:


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