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[geesecougar2]

 Vindog, on 25 October 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

 Hateto3Putt, on 25 October 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

3 packs  of smokes were almost $21!

$6.81 a pack. (regional pricing ymmv)

WOW. How can kids even afford it these days?

I started "rolling" my own with the tubes, machine and American Spirit tins about 10 years ago.

ended up being about 1/3 the price for a while, until the tax man caught up with that too.  Then it was 1/2 the price.

Then I quit altogether.

I tried that for a while, and I love the act of rolling. It's better with the European "backrolling" method where you only have one layer of paper, tearing off the rest.

But it's not the same. The loose tobacco doesn't have those delicious chemical additives!

[KNGR5150]

 nbg352, on 25 October 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

 soregongolfer, on 24 October 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

 H.A. Kerr, on 24 October 2012 - 02:12 AM, said:

 golfpros1, on 23 October 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

When smokers get nervous, they smoke, and it chills them out.  

No it does not.

It elevates their heart rate and increases their blood pressure. Mentally, it satisfies their craving, but physiologically, it causes anything but "chilling out" in their bodies. It's a performance "de-hancer", if you like, for a sport like golf.

Nicotine is a stimulant. Just like a broad class of drugs generally ending in "-ine" like caffeine, phentermine and , oh yeah, meth.

Not saying you can't dislike smoking, because it is indeed pretty gross, but get the facts right when mounting the soapbox. And be sure to lump Jim Furyk into your message for his pounding and promoting on national TV another concentrated stimulant as well.

Did you miss the part where he said he, himself, smoked?  I have to think a smoker would have a pretty good idea what smoking does to him.

Apparently not, because Mr. Kerr is correct. You outa read up on it all. Might be a good education for you and sorgongolfer. Let's be clear. Nicotine is a depressant. Depressants do not enhance performance, they can actually detract from it. But the user of nicotine often may FEEL that smoking relaxes or improves attitude and performance, even though it is doing the opposite. And I guess I know what I'm talking about, if usage equates to knowledge. I quit smoking eight years ago, after 30 + years of smoking 2 or more large packs of cigarettes every day. Imagine, eight years and I still can't tolerate born again anti smokers who use a soapbox to keep convincing themselves to stay away from the crap. Believe me, the addiction never leaves, it just hides under the surface, waiting for you to make a mistake, take that first drag. But, that's my problem, not that smoker's over there on the corner being ostracised for his habit.

Actually nicotine is one of the few chemicals that is both a stimulant and a depressant.

[KNGR5150]

 Hateto3Putt, on 25 October 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

 geesecougar2, on 25 October 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

Marlboros are $12 a pack in NYC.

I know the Big Apple is overpriced in everything, but that is freaking insane!

That close to price in much of the northeast, at least anywhere that has taxes.

[nbg352]

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When smokers get nervous, they smoke, and it chills them out.  [/quote]

No it does not.

It elevates their heart rate and increases their blood pressure. Mentally, it satisfies their craving, but physiologically, it causes anything but "chilling out" in their bodies. It's a performance "de-hancer", if you like, for a sport like golf.

Nicotine is a stimulant. Just like a broad class of drugs generally ending in "-ine" like caffeine, phentermine and , oh yeah, meth.

Not saying you can't dislike smoking, because it is indeed pretty gross, but get the facts right when mounting the soapbox. And be sure to lump Jim Furyk into your message for his pounding and promoting on national TV another concentrated stimulant as well.
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Did you miss the part where he said he, himself, smoked?  [u]I have to think a smoker would have a pretty good idea what smoking does to him.[/u]
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Apparently not, because Mr. Kerr is correct. You outa read up on it all. Might be a good education for you and sorgongolfer. Let's be clear. Nicotine is a depressant. Depressants do not enhance performance, they can actually detract from it. But the user of nicotine often may FEEL that smoking relaxes or improves attitude and performance, even though it is doing the opposite. And I guess I know what I'm talking about, if usage equates to knowledge. I quit smoking eight years ago, after 30 + years of smoking 2 or more large packs of cigarettes every day. Imagine, eight years and I still can't tolerate born again anti smokers who use a soapbox to keep convincing themselves to stay away from the crap. Believe me, the addiction never leaves, it just hides under the surface, waiting for you to make a mistake, take that first drag. But, that's my problem, not that smoker's over there on the corner being ostracised for his habit.
[/quote] Actually nicotine is one of the few chemicals that is both a stimulant and a depressant.
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Hmmm....Apparently a quick smoke acts as a depressant and a slow smoke creates the effect of a stimulant. That info was never in my smoking cessation guide. Guess I was always a quick smoker.....

[bscinstnct]

Smoke 'em you got 'em.

I like to smoke after my round.

My 4rth round.

Of Scotch.

[hmx3]

No sex, no drugs, no rock´n`roll on golf courses.

I will quit this game.

[golfpros1]

I just saw two big fat naked bikers in the woods off 17 havin sex...how am i supposed to chip with that goin on!  Damn you people...go back to your shanties.

[imakaveli]

Just heard that on the European Challenge Tour and European Alps Tour smoking is forbidden

[golfpros1]

I would be shocked if every tour didn't ban smoking in the near future.  Smokeless may have a longer life, but probably shouldn't.  Off the course, players will do what they want (even if people would be much better off not doing it), but on the course I doubt it will continue any kind of presence in the near future.  There's no tour or event sponsor that wants to in any way align themselves with Tobacco use.  in fact, players may have a hard time with manufacturer sponsors as well at some point.  Do you really think a brand wants to be advertised while a guy chain smokes the back nine on camera?  They would prefer the guy not smoking on the course imo.

Edited by golfpros1, 29 October 2012 - 05:16 PM.

[Bob57]

Tiger has done a lot of dumb things in his life, but smoking isn't one of them.  There are no pictures of him anywhere smoking.  I'm not talking about on the golf course but at places like Las Vegas where everyone was smoking (and many of his friends).  Two other reasons fitness nut not wanting to ruin his lungs and last but not least seeing the absolute destruction of his life long smoking father....

I always laugh at the amount of people that think dipping is less dangerous than smoking.  Might want to read up on some of the research done in that regard and also check out which is more addictive.....

[A.G.Blade]

I don't think smoking affects distance, golf stamina maybe, but not distance. It didn't help my putting but helped my overall attitude of enjoyment. That being said, my 2 biggest victories this year came when I did not smoke; parent/child( obviously not smoking there!). And my club championship,but boy, had a few puffs after!!

[Black Label Johnny]

"Drink, smoke, smoke weed, smoke coke... I do it all baby!" ~ Beetlejuice

[golfpros1]

 Black Label Johnny, on 29 October 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

"Drink, smoke, smoke weed, smoke coke... I do it all baby!" ~ Beetlejuice

go for it.... off the golf course.

[Black Label Johnny]

 golfpros1, on 29 October 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

 Black Label Johnny, on 29 October 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

"Drink, smoke, smoke weed, smoke coke... I do it all baby!" ~ Beetlejuice

go for it.... off the golf course.

This is Beetlejuice and that was a quote...

[Jbird33]

My 2 cents...Why is it that the group that wants to outlaw tobacco join the same party that the people that want to legalize weed join?

[golfpros1]

 Black Label Johnny, on 29 October 2012 - 11:43 PM, said:

 golfpros1, on 29 October 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

 Black Label Johnny, on 29 October 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

"Drink, smoke, smoke weed, smoke coke... I do it all baby!" ~ Beetlejuice

go for it.... off the golf course.

This is Beetlejuice and that was a quote...

He looks totally normal too, you'd never guess it.

[Black Label Johnny]

WOW. Hahaha

There ya go buddy

[mandudebro]

 Jbird33, on 30 October 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

My 2 cents...Why is it that the group that wants to outlaw tobacco join the same party that the people that want to legalize weed join?

Because they are dangerously certain in their 'beliefs' once they latch on to them.  The world is easier for them to live in and make sense of when everything is black/white, right/wrong, good/bad- rather than putting in the effort to continuously evaluate their outlook on things, and allow for different perspectives than their own.

...and for TDO if you're still following this- LET'S GO GIANTS!!!

[golfpros1]

 mandudebro, on 02 November 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

 Jbird33, on 30 October 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

My 2 cents...Why is it that the group that wants to outlaw tobacco join the same party that the people that want to legalize weed join?

Because they are dangerously certain in their 'beliefs' once they latch on to them.  The world is easier for them to live in and make sense of when everything is black/white, right/wrong, good/bad- rather than putting in the effort to continuously evaluate their outlook on things, and allow for different perspectives than their own.

...and for TDO if you're still following this- LET'S GO GIANTS!!!

Is the jury still out on this stuff?  I thought the tobacco mystery was solved several decades ago.  Same with marijuana, which is why it's allowed for medical purposes only.  What exactly are we suppose to continue to evaluate?  The degree of harm it causes and why it's fatal in some and only damaging in others?  How about evaluating the effects a lobotomy... hey, might change... got to keep an open mind.  I don't know about any of you, but I'd rather spend my time and energy evaluating things that haven't been solved... like how to cure cancer, what causes autism, etc.  Seems like time better spent in the research lab.

Edited by golfpros1, 02 November 2012 - 06:48 PM.

[mandudebro]

 golfpros1, on 02 November 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

 mandudebro, on 02 November 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

 Jbird33, on 30 October 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

My 2 cents...Why is it that the group that wants to outlaw tobacco join the same party that the people that want to legalize weed join?

Because they are dangerously certain in their 'beliefs' once they latch on to them.  The world is easier for them to live in and make sense of when everything is black/white, right/wrong, good/bad- rather than putting in the effort to continuously evaluate their outlook on things, and allow for different perspectives than their own.

...and for TDO if you're still following this- LET'S GO GIANTS!!!

Is the jury still out on this stuff?  I thought the tobacco mystery was solved several decades ago.  Same with marijuana, which is why it's allowed for medical purposes only.  What exactly are we suppose to continue to evaluate?  The degree of harm it causes and why it's fatal in some and only damaging in others?  How about evaluating the effects a lobotomy... hey, might change... got to keep an open mind.  I don't know about any of you, but I'd rather spend my time and energy evaluating things that haven't been solved... like how to cure cancer, what causes autism, etc.  Seems like time better spent in the research lab.

Um, the 'beliefs' I was referring to aren't that cig's are bad for you- I'm pretty sure the science is conclusive there.   You can now continue to evaluate my original comment.