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[mflores]

Great Review JW - many thanks

Seems that from the stock offerings the D+ and then the S+ are getting all the love (in my mind I think the D+ will do the trick but that's fromt he hype) . Would love to see some comparison info between those shafts and the RIP alpha and RIP Phenom. From the chart they look to be putting up some nice numbers.

[CTEagle]

Great review, I've been looking forward to seeing that shaft chart.  Someone else asked it, but I would also be interested in hearing your thoughts on how the 913 compares to the Anser.

[J.W.]

CTEagle, on 20 October 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Great review, I've been looking forward to seeing that shaft chart.  Someone else asked it, but I would also be interested in hearing your thoughts on how the 913 compares to the Anser.

I believe I posted some comparisons in another thread asking for it.  I won't include it in this thread but I'll see if I can find it and if not I'll post it again.  Short answer- Anser is also a great head and you should try/get fit for whatever you buy.

[J.W.]

Lildinho, on 20 October 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Great review i think this will knock the i20 out of my bag. What's your swing speed?

110-112 is my max speed.  When the weather gets colder here I think everyone loses a little bit of speed.  My ball speed max is 167-168 or so.  One of the guys that knows my game very well, who read this but won't post makes fun of me as being a terrible range or launch monitor player.  His ball speed is routinely 165+ on Foresight or TrackMan and on course I out-drive him by 20-40 yards.  We still talk about one hole at a private club that is a 520 yard downhill par 5 where I really hit one well and had 170 yards into.  I remember he hit one pretty solid and told me to "come get it" and was 220+ from the green... although in his defense he hit a hybrid to 12 feet.  Hes fit a lot of top players and would swear up and down my ball speed is in the 170's but when the numbers pop up its just not there.

Edited by J.W., 20 October 2012 - 09:18 AM.

[pinhigh27]

What'd you have in? I'm pleased to say I putted in from the fringe for bird at my last tournament there. I hate 16, that green is crazy and somehow I always end up in the trees.

[J.W.]

pinhigh27, on 20 October 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

What'd you have in? I'm pleased to say I putted in from the fringe for bird at my last tournament there. I hate 16, that green is crazy and somehow I always end up in the trees.

Into 15?  I play the Gold tees typically so just depends on the day and how soft the course is...  I think I had 145 in there.  Most of the money games I play the guys wanna play the Blues so same thing...can have anywhere from 105-160 depending on the day.  16 is a great hole, tough par for sure.  If you think about it, there are no real birdie holes out there.

Edited by J.W., 20 October 2012 - 09:31 AM.

[CTEagle]

J.W., on 20 October 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

CTEagle, on 20 October 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Great review, I've been looking forward to seeing that shaft chart.  Someone else asked it, but I would also be interested in hearing your thoughts on how the 913 compares to the Anser.

I believe I posted some comparisons in another thread asking for it.  I won't include it in this thread but I'll see if I can find it and if not I'll post it again.  Short answer- Anser is also a great head and you should try/get fit for whatever you buy.

My mistake, I'll look for it in another thread.  Thanks.

[Hstead]

Awesome review, well done.  I can't wait to get one.

[tmax77]

nice review...excellent fitter here guys, probably the best in Ohio...

Edited by tmax77, 20 October 2012 - 10:51 AM.

[swanry30]

Great great review!  The BB sounds awesome.  I've considered this shaft in the 8x at 44.25".

The 910 spun like a top - but the 913 is playable for me.  I tried a 7.5 and was very impressed...

Titleist has also really improved their shaft chart.  In past years the placement of shafts were suspect - but this looks pretty accurate.

Thanks for your comments/thoughts!  What length are you playing your setup at now?  Can't remember...

[play18now]

Thanks for posting the shaft chart.  Officially the best stock selection on the market now

[24vince]

JW....I'll be more specific with my question (prob make it easier to answer)

I've seen video of Titleist rep at PGA debut talking about the 913 vs 910....talking about face insert he said something like this; "the new insert is has increased ball speed on toe and heel strikes, if you were already in the center of the face then you've got it already"....

In your experience thus far is it "hotter" accross the entire face?? Or do your increased numbers have more to do more with shafts??

Obviosly I dont hit it dead center on every swing but contact tape has shown even when i miss left/right most of the time I still centering up the shot (other issues are causing the miss)

[J.W.]

tmax77, on 20 October 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

nice review...excellent fitter here guys, probably the best in Ohio...

Thanks TMax, not too bad yourself.

[J.W.]

24vince, on 20 October 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

JW....I'll be more specific with my question (prob make it easier to answer)

I've seen video of Titleist rep at PGA debut talking about the 913 vs 910....talking about face insert he said something like this; "the new insert is has increased ball speed on toe and heel strikes, if you were already in the center of the face then you've got it already"....

In your experience thus far is it "hotter" accross the entire face?? Or do your increased numbers have more to do more with shafts??

Obviosly I dont hit it dead center on every swing but contact tape has shown even when i miss left/right most of the time I still centering up the shot (other issues are causing the miss)

If you take any driver from the last couple years, they should all be relatively close in terms of ball speed on center contact.  I've seen a small increase in speed across the face.  I had a fitting today from a guy playing a R9 460 with ball speed 139-141 and 913D2 was as high as 148!  I think he was making better contact but 8 mph surprised me.  I had him take a couple swipes with 910D2 and 146 was his max... its tough to say though.  I think the 913 is a better head, how much better is up to the buyer.  The shafts shouldn't increase ball speed, I just think they did an excellent job choosing a line of stock shafts to fit almost every player.  S+, D+, Phenom, RIP Alpha, even Bassara are ALL awesome shafts that do/feel different than the next for no additional money.  Its still early but so far, every 913 fit I've had has picked up yardage.  You can definitely pick up additional yardage from a driver that's fit correctly, feels good, and inspires confidence.

Edited by J.W., 20 October 2012 - 03:28 PM.

[Roy_Munson]

J.W. - Awesome review!  Hey, I just posted a question in the forum about the 913 stock shafts.  Would you mind taking a peek and giving your input?  Thanks!!

http://www.golfwrx.c...on-please-help/

[256ctf]

awesome review````
i saw you mentioned you play ad di 7 before ,how do you compare the new D+ and di7 . thx

[pinhigh27]

You seem like a titleist guy, have you looked at any LM numbers compared to TM or Cally offerings? Most curious about RBZ tour.
Thanks

[J.W.]

pinhigh27, on 20 October 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

You seem like a titleist guy, have you looked at any LM numbers compared to TM or Cally offerings? Most curious about RBZ tour.
Thanks

I have, we fit all of them.

[pdaero]

JW - what's your opinion on the stock shafts, if you don't mind me asking? I swing similarly to you.

[24vince]

J.W., on 20 October 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

24vince, on 20 October 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

JW....I'll be more specific with my question (prob make it easier to answer)

I've seen video of Titleist rep at PGA debut talking about the 913 vs 910....talking about face insert he said something like this; "the new insert is has increased ball speed on toe and heel strikes, if you were already in the center of the face then you've got it already"....

In your experience thus far is it "hotter" accross the entire face?? Or do your increased numbers have more to do more with shafts??

Obviosly I dont hit it dead center on every swing but contact tape has shown even when i miss left/right most of the time I still centering up the shot (other issues are causing the miss)

If you take any driver from the last couple years, they should all be relatively close in terms of ball speed on center contact.  I've seen a small increase in speed across the face.  I had a fitting today from a guy playing a R9 460 with ball speed 139-141 and 913D2 was as high as 148!  I think he was making better contact but 8 mph surprised me.  I had him take a couple swipes with 910D2 and 146 was his max... its tough to say though.  I think the 913 is a better head, how much better is up to the buyer.  The shafts shouldn't increase ball speed, I just think they did an excellent job choosing a line of stock shafts to fit almost every player.  S+, D+, Phenom, RIP Alpha, even Bassara are ALL awesome shafts that do/feel different than the next for no additional money.  Its still early but so far, every 913 fit I've had has picked up yardage.  You can definitely pick up additional yardage from a driver that's fit correctly, feels good, and inspires confidence.

Thanks for the response, I guess maybe I shoulda waited....   I

[Whats-it-too-ya]

Great review ... now I may have to get one, too!

[kg92lefty]

pdaero, on 20 October 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

JW - what's your opinion on the stock shafts, if you don't mind me asking? I swing similarly to you.

read the thread. It's in there.

[pinhigh27]

J.W., on 20 October 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

pinhigh27, on 20 October 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

You seem like a titleist guy, have you looked at any LM numbers compared to TM or Cally offerings? Most curious about RBZ tour.
Thanks

I have, we fit all of them.

Do you see better numbers out of the r11 or rbz tour? Sorry, not to detract from your thread... if I had more $$$$ I'd probably go with a 913D2

[pdaero]

kg92lefty, on 20 October 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

pdaero, on 20 October 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

JW - what's your opinion on the stock shafts, if you don't mind me asking? I swing similarly to you.

read the thread. It's in there.

I did, and I never saw his opinion on the stock shafts. The only thing I saw was my comment earlier on two shafts that might work for me, but that definitely isn't his experience.

[joneser]

I went out and did some additional testing today in cold rainy conditions.  JW loaded me up with a bunch of clubs.  Let me start by saying that Titleist did a great job with the shafts.  I hit 3 of the 4 stock shafts and they all feel different and there should be something in there for everyone.  I love the feel of the S+ but I don't control it as good as the D+.  I also hit the D3 with a phenom and that combo was surprisingly good.  I did some real world testing on the course with 4-6 balls off every tee.  I think that a D2 or a D3 could be really good for me if I could find the right shaft.  I think that could be the D+ 62 gram shaft but I am not sure because that was one combo I did not hit on the course.  I did hit that on the range a couple of weeks ago but not on the course.  As I said, the stock shafts are great and there is a noticeable difference with every one of them.  There may be a few people that just have to have a custom shaft and I am sure there is a good reason but I am guessing you could get very good numbers with one of the stock shafts.  

While out there, I did take out a Ping Anser with a Blur stiff tipped .5 inches.  For me, that combo was the most consistent and the easiest of the clubs to swing.  I think the Titleist feels like a more expensive club and it sounds better but I hit nice, high long carrying balls with the Anser.  When I hit the D2 or D3 well, it was a toss up but I think the bulk of the shots with the Anser were longer.  I think that Ping and Titleist have some off the shelf combo that almost everyone can fit into.  I would have no problem putting either one in the bag.  I think the Anser could be the one for me but If I had another couple hours of on course testing with the D2/D3, I am sure it would come out equal.  I am a low single digit handicap that does not pure it all day long.  I also have a bad elbow that feels pretty bad when a ball is not hit square and the shaft is a little harsh.  I need an easy to swing club with a smooth feeling shaft and I think the Answer could be it.  Of course I wont sign any long term contracts

[drbonesvt]

swanry30, on 20 October 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

Great great review!  The BB sounds awesome.  I've considered this shaft in the 8x at 44.25".

The 910 spun like a top - but the 913 is playable for me.  I tried a 7.5 and was very impressed...

Titleist has also really improved their shaft chart.  In past years the placement of shafts were suspect - but this looks pretty accurate.

Thanks for your comments/thoughts!  What length are you playing your setup at now?  Can't remember...

How is the kai li 80 higher launch than the kai li 70, according to the attached chart? Less I'm missing something

[stk123]

Or the Project X 7 is both lower launching and lower spin vs. Project X 8?

[J.W.]

Some companies make the tip softer in the heavier profiles because they're meant to be played in fairway woods.

Edited by J.W., 21 October 2012 - 09:29 AM.

[Lefty1987]

J.W., on 21 October 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Some companies make the tip softer in the heavier profiles because they're meant to be played in fairway woods.

Cheers for the review and chart. Do you have a copy of the hybrid chart? If not where the new D+ 100g hybrid shaft sits? Keen to give it a go in the 913h 19* against a 913f 19* with v2 96x

[PreppySlapCut]

Nice review.  The BB is the best driver shaft I've hit, period (in terms of numbers produced for my swing, as well as feel).  I'm currently using a Kiyoshi simply because of the fitting joint I've been working with and availability, but nothing matched the feel/flight of the BB for me (I found the DI and Kiyoshi to give me virtually indistinguishable numbers, and are the next best thing to the BB for me).