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#31 rafal

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:38 AM

View PostWaterboy, on 16 October 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 16 October 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

View Postdrstroud, on 16 October 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Still won't make him play to his potential and hype.  Needs to change what is between the ears.

with any help and luck, he will improve to number.....zero in the world?
Yes, he will become the first ever player  ranked zero in the world. A feat never before been achieved.

He already ranks 0 in his major count.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:10 AM

View Postxerpro, on 17 October 2012 - 05:31 AM, said:

I know TM is signing a top 5 player....
And it is a direct correlation of the new iron..
And thats all I know....

So.....

1. McIlroy
2. Woods
3. Donald
4. Westwood
5. Rose

It won't be Woods and I highly doubt Westwood. That leaves Luke and Rory as obviously Justin Rose is already with TMAG.

If you weren't being 100% literal, the next 5 is:

6. Scott
7. Watson
8. Simpson
9. Snedeker
10. Dufner



Also, I hate these 100% rumor threads on WRX. Not sure they should be kept open.

Edited by WVP, 17 October 2012 - 07:11 AM.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:26 AM

View Postshankz, on 16 October 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Luke should command a better price than just irons at his current level. He should cash in on a full deal, maybe Titleist if Rory leaves.

Disagree.

Endorsements are about image.  Luke is not a long hitter like a Dustin Johnson or a Rory McIlroy...and he's not a flashy, "style" guy like Rickie Fowler.   He's more of a "player's player".  Someone who is such a student of the game, that they can really appreciate someone whose defining skills are his accuracy and his iron play.

So his appeal to the CASUAL golfer---the ones that TM is trying to attract to its brand---would be limited.   Callaway has too many problems.

The only brands that I think he'd be a good fit for would be either Nike or Titleist....and I just don't see him getting any substantially better deals from either of them than he would from Mizuno.   At Mizuno, he's the star of their stable of endorsees.  At Titleist (with Rory) and Nike (with Tiger) he'd just be another face in the crowd.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:49 AM

View Postrafal, on 17 October 2012 - 06:38 AM, said:

View PostWaterboy, on 16 October 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 16 October 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

View Postdrstroud, on 16 October 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Still won't make him play to his potential and hype.  Needs to change what is between the ears.

with any help and luck, he will improve to number.....zero in the world?
Yes, he will become the first ever player  ranked zero in the world. A feat never before been achieved.

He already ranks 0 in his major count.


View Postrafal, on 16 October 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

Mizuno cannot match TM's full package deal.  They simply can't.  And Luke might be leaving the top 10 soon so he better strike a deal while he still can.

I take it you aren't a fan of Luke Donald??

Edited by irlgolf56, 17 October 2012 - 07:49 AM.


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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:58 AM

View Postrafal, on 17 October 2012 - 06:38 AM, said:

He already ranks 0 in his major count.

And with 0 Majors he would still be the best player in their underperfoming stable.

Edited by Vindog, 17 October 2012 - 08:01 AM.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:11 AM

Yeah not sure I buy into this. Luke doesn't like to switch gear. He played the 62's forever. Finally was strong armed into the 59's, which lasted less than a year. He put the 64's in immediately and loves them. NOt to mention he said the new wedges are some of the best he has hit. If anything he does a hat/bag/woods deal with TM or someone else. But no way he switches irons or wedges. And he has had that Odessey forever too. Would be way to much change for him.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:11 AM

Seriously, how many threads are there out there now about supposed new contracts between players and OEMs with little to no information to back up the claim??
I mean, I like golf balls
but not that much.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:26 AM

This is bs.  Just because his contract is "up" doesn't mean he's leaving.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:34 AM

I don't see him leaving Mizuno.He is their top posterboy with an amazing swing.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:25 AM

Also, I truly believe Mizuno could match any number TM is offering.
Remember, Mizuno is a huge worldwide company.  Most of their revenue is not from the U.S.


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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:48 AM

View Postxerpro, on 17 October 2012 - 05:31 AM, said:

I know TM is signing a top 5 player....
And it is a direct correlation of the new iron..
And thats all I know....

Maybe....maybe not.

But IF it is true and IF it is Luke Donald...that will be a marriage that will not end well for either party.

Luke Donald is a poor fit for the TM brand...and the TM brand is a poor fit for what makes Donald a unique player and personality on tour.

I thought Tiger wasn't making a good choice when he married Elin...and we all know how that all turned out.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:13 AM

View Postchiguy, on 17 October 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

Seriously, how many threads are there out there now about supposed new contracts between players and OEMs with little to no information to back up the claim??

Depends on the time of year...

From Jan-Sept, less than a handful. From Oct-Dec, probably about 10/week.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:15 AM

Top 5 in the world ranking??? If so, why don't we just toss a name in there...has to be Rory or Luke, right??

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:25 AM

Luke Donald....yawn

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:27 AM

View PostLamo70, on 17 October 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Luke Donald....yawn
I love Luke Donald, but this is not inaccurate.

And is precisely why TM would be a horrible fit.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:06 AM

View Postkellygreen, on 17 October 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

View Postshankz, on 16 October 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Luke should command a better price than just irons at his current level. He should cash in on a full deal, maybe Titleist if Rory leaves.

Disagree.

Endorsements are about image.  Luke is not a long hitter like a Dustin Johnson or a Rory McIlroy...and he's not a flashy, "style" guy like Rickie Fowler.   He's more of a "player's player".  Someone who is such a student of the game, that they can really appreciate someone whose defining skills are his accuracy and his iron play.

So his appeal to the CASUAL golfer---the ones that TM is trying to attract to its brand---would be limited.   Callaway has too many problems.

The only brands that I think he'd be a good fit for would be either Nike or Titleist....and I just don't see him getting any substantially better deals from either of them than he would from Mizuno.   At Mizuno, he's the star of their stable of endorsees.  At Titleist (with Rory) and Nike (with Tiger) he'd just be another face in the crowd.
If TM wants to make people think they are legit as an iron maker, Donald could be huge for them though.  When most people think TM, they think woods, not irons.  If they could get Donald to switch from what many consider to be the best irons in golf to their irons, it could be huge for them from a marketing standpoint.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:09 AM

View Postmickeytbones, on 17 October 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

Also, I truly believe Mizuno could match any number TM is offering.
Remember, Mizuno is a huge worldwide company.  Most of their revenue is not from the U.S.
Mizuno is NOT huge company, quite small actually.  They arent the #1 golf company in Japan, arent even #2 actually.  Thats why they dont offer putters, balls and golf shoes in North America.  They are too small of a company who cant compete with TM, Nike and Callaway.  Anyone who thinks that Mizuno is a, "huge" company who could compete head to head with the likes of TM and Nike clearly dont know Mizuno as well as they think.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:41 AM

Mizuno Golf, globaly, has about $250 million annual revenue, about half in the US. TMag globally has about $2 billion annual revenue. I wouldn't call Mizuno small, but nowhere near the scale of TMAG.  Callaway, for comparison, is about $900million annually.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:03 PM

View PostGaijin_Golfer, on 17 October 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Mizuno is NOT huge company, quite small actually.  They arent the #1 golf company in Japan, arent even #2 actually.  Thats why they dont offer putters, balls and golf shoes in North America.  They are too small of a company who cant compete with TM, Nike and Callaway.  Anyone who thinks that Mizuno is a, "huge" company who could compete head to head with the likes of TM and Nike clearly dont know Mizuno as well as they think.

I'll defer to your knowledge on this.

Yet one could think that since Mizuno doesn't carpet bomb the tour with endorsment deals, they would have the advertising/endorsment dollars in reserve for a few "choice" staffers, instead of dozens of staffers.

Maybe, just throwing it out there.  I have no clue how it all works.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:13 PM

View Postmickeytbones, on 17 October 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

Also, I truly believe Mizuno could match any number TM is offering.
Remember, Mizuno is a huge worldwide company.  Most of their revenue is not from the U.S.

...and like Nike, they are a MAJOR player in sports other than golf.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:19 PM

Mizuno, all sports, is around $2 billion global sales. Nike is $24 billion. Not the same league.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:20 PM

View Postgoplutus, on 17 October 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Mizuno Golf, globaly, has about $250 million annual revenue, about half in the US. TMag globally has about $2 billion annual revenue. I wouldn't call Mizuno small, but nowhere near the scale of TMAG.  Callaway, for comparison, is about $900million annually.

Mizuno CORP has revenues that are the equal of TMAG globally.

They could easily stand their ground in a bidding war with Taylor Made.   Which is one of MANY reasons why this rumor doesn't ring true with me.

Taylor Made stands little to gain by taking Donald away from Mizuno.  Mizuno is not even one of the competitors for the market niche that TMAG occupies....and Mizuno stands a lot to lose by allowing him to leave.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:25 PM

View Postgoplutus, on 17 October 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Mizuno, all sports, is around $2 billion global sales. Nike is $24 billion. Not the same league.

Most of Nike's revenue comes from its shoe and apparel sales.  Nike was already a collossus in those markets long before it entered into the world of golf.

Mizuno is one of the outside-of-the-US giants in general sports equipment.

In the world of baseball equipment, Mizuno occupies that same market niche that Taylor Made does in golf equipment.

The point, however, is that Taylor Made couldn't simply spend Mizuno Golf into submission if Mizuno Corp decided not to allow it.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:33 PM

View Postkellygreen, on 17 October 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

View Postgoplutus, on 17 October 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Mizuno, all sports, is around $2 billion global sales. Nike is $24 billion. Not the same league.

Most of Nike's revenue comes from its shoe and apparel sales.  Nike was already a collossus in those markets long before it entered into the world of golf.

Mizuno is one of the outside-of-the-US giants in general sports equipment.

In the world of baseball equipment, Mizuno occupies that same market niche that Taylor Made does in golf equipment.

The point, however, is that Taylor Made couldn't simply spend Mizuno Golf into submission if Mizuno Corp decided not to allow it.

No. They do not hold the same "niche" as TMaG in baseball. If you need, I'll supply the baseball hardgood market share numbers for you...I happen to have them handy. And if you want to count adidas worldwide, like you are Mizuno non-golf worldwide (to make it a fair comparison) adidas could absolutely spend Mizuno to death.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

View Postkellygreen, on 17 October 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:



Taylor Made stands little to gain by taking Donald away from Mizuno.

i would of thought it would of been a good move from TM to sign one of the best players in the world,he's known for been one of the best iron players so why not have him on board

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:36 PM

read most of these posts but i'm curious if there is anything that suggests he may switch brands other than just his contract being up. i'm sure over the years of playing mizuno his contract has been renewed multiple times, so i'm curious why this would be any different...
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

View PostGaijin_Golfer, on 17 October 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

If TM wants to make people think they are legit as an iron maker, Donald could be huge for them though.  When most people think TM, they think woods, not irons.  If they could get Donald to switch from what many consider to be the best irons in golf to their irons, it could be huge for them from a marketing standpoint.

No one who isn't a hardcore golf-wonk even knows who Luke Donald IS...and the kind of player that TM is trying to attract isn't going to think of Luke Donald when they think of accurate Iron play.

Luke Donald is a PERFECT fit for the Mizuno iron brand.  In that they want to appeal to a (by comparison) small group of very serious, and very skilled golfers who are demanding about the irons that they play.

Luke Donald is a TERRIBLE fit for the Taylor Made brand.  In that they are trying to more broadly to the causual recreational golfer.  As such all their major endorsees are players that carry significant star power in their respective markets.  Dustin Johnson, Sergio Garcia, Justin Rose, etc...  Acquiring him from Mizuno would be a expensive, and not add much to the TM brand.  

A far better move on the part of TMAG would be to slug it out with Titleist to get Rory McIlroy.   It would cost them more, but would do far more for their brand in the end.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:42 PM

See how we gave Luke Donald 17 more yards.  He can finally drive it 290!!!
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

View Postsmackygolf, on 17 October 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

View Postkellygreen, on 17 October 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

View Postgoplutus, on 17 October 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Mizuno, all sports, is around $2 billion global sales. Nike is $24 billion. Not the same league.

Most of Nike's revenue comes from its shoe and apparel sales.  Nike was already a collossus in those markets long before it entered into the world of golf.

Mizuno is one of the outside-of-the-US giants in general sports equipment.

In the world of baseball equipment, Mizuno occupies that same market niche that Taylor Made does in golf equipment.

The point, however, is that Taylor Made couldn't simply spend Mizuno Golf into submission if Mizuno Corp decided not to allow it.

No. They do not hold the same "niche" as TMaG in baseball. If you need, I'll supply the baseball hardgood market share numbers for you...I happen to have them handy. And if you want to count adidas worldwide, like you are Mizuno non-golf worldwide (to make it a fair comparison) adidas could absolutely spend Mizuno to death.

You are counting revenue.

I'm talking stature and brand recognition.  Apples and Oranges.

Adidas wouldn't do that, for the simple reason that the TMAG brand has little to gain in getting into a bidding war with Mizuno over Luke Donald.

Whereas, Mizuno stands a great deal to lose if Luke left their stable. He is their most famous and most high-profile endorsee.  Mizuno has a great deal of incentive to make all the resources of the corporation available to keep him.   He is not so valuable to TMAG that it would make any sense for Adidas to do the same.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

View PostVindog, on 17 October 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

See how we gave Luke Donald 17 more yards.  He can finally drive it 290!!!

Seriously.

Luke Donald and "freakishly long" do NOT belong in the same sentence.  Ever.

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