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[silver77]

Its just strange to me that golf digest did a article this month about wedges and showcases wedges and leaves out callaway. granted I am not a huge callaway fan but there wedges are top of the pack and it just seems odd they mention ping and Nike and not callaway. anybody else notice this?

[ksuchris2000]

Callaway didn't spend enough ad money so they get skipped.

[ryancjordan]

How are Callaway's wedges top of the pack?  I would say the clear consensus winner is generally either Titleist or Cleveland in this department, with TM being right behind.  Callaway haven't really released anything new or interesting since the jaws wedge, which is like 3 or 4 years old now right?  The X forged is probably one of the worst wedges I've ever used and I haven't used one since.

[Thrillhouse]

Callaway is really more middle of the pack in the wedge department.

Plus everyone is really excited about these faces on the new Cleveland wedges.

[Ranger Rick]

Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.

[silver77]

I agree the x forged was the worst, what about scratch? they were the hot wedge couple years ago

[+Church]

You have to pay to play.... They may have gone off companies that spent the most on ads, or maybe(this is just a guess)  golf digest charges companies for "spotlight" articles.

[rafal]

Ranger Rick, on 13 October 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.

Mizuno on the bottom easily.

[JJK947]

Wow, serious x forged hate in this thread.  I thought they were one of the best wedges of all time and I'm sure there are a lot of WRX'ers that will agree with me.  Either way none of the other companies can compete with the buzz that Titleist and Cleveland get when they come out with new wedges.  TM is trying their hardest, XFT and ATV were fairly innovative but they still can't quite get to the top tier.  Cleveland went through a rough patch IMO with that butt-ugly rounded sole on a couple wedges in the last few years but I am glad they went back to what works.  Can't really beat the 588 profile and just update them with being forged.

[Instant Offense]

I would guess Vokey is far and away the number one selling wedge this season.

[SHORTBUTSTR8]

rafal, on 13 October 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Ranger Rick, on 13 October 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.

Mizuno on the bottom easily.

Apparently you never tried one.  One of the best out there.  Far better than any TM wedges.

[SHORTBUTSTR8]

JJK947, on 13 October 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Wow, serious x forged hate in this thread.  I thought they were one of the best wedges of all time and I'm sure there are a lot of WRX'ers that will agree with me.  Either way none of the other companies can compete with the buzz that Titleist and Cleveland get when they come out with new wedges.  TM is trying their hardest, XFT and ATV were fairly innovative but they still can't quite get to the top tier.  Cleveland went through a rough patch IMO with that butt-ugly rounded sole on a couple wedges in the last few years but I am glad they went back to what works.  Can't really beat the 588 profile and just update them with being forged.

I agree.  The X Forged with MD grooves is one of the best wedges I ever played.

[Thrillhouse]

SHORTBUTSTR8, on 13 October 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

rafal, on 13 October 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Ranger Rick, on 13 October 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.

Mizuno on the bottom easily.

Apparently you never tried one.  One of the best out there.  Far better than any TM wedges.

Sales wise they probably are near the bottom. They may be good, but you don't see a whole lot of them in play.

[Skaffa77]

Thrillhouse, on 13 October 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

SHORTBUTSTR8, on 13 October 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

rafal, on 13 October 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Ranger Rick, on 13 October 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.

Mizuno on the bottom easily.

Apparently you never tried one.  One of the best out there.  Far better than any TM wedges.

Sales wise they probably are near the bottom. They may be good, but you don't see a whole lot of them in play.

That said...both Mizuno and TM would share bottom.  I've seen very few TM wedges in play at the course.

[Thrillhouse]

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Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.
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Mizuno on the bottom easily.
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Apparently you never tried one.  One of the best out there.  Far better than any TM wedges.
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Sales wise they probably are near the bottom. They may be good, but you don't see a whole lot of them in play.
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That said...both Mizuno and TM would share bottom.  I've seen very few TM wedges in play at the course.
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Yeah, probably true, I saw a few xft's but I saw nobody using the atv's.

[Golfjunki71]

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Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.
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Mizuno on the bottom easily.
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Apparently you never tried one.  One of the best out there.  Far better than any TM wedges.
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Sales wise they probably are near the bottom. They may be good, but you don't see a whole lot of them in play.
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That said...both Mizuno and TM would share bottom.  I've seen very few TM wedges in play at the course.
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I've never seen a TMAG wedge in the wild.

[Golfjunki71]

SHORTBUTSTR8, on 13 October 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

rafal, on 13 October 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Ranger Rick, on 13 October 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.

Mizuno on the bottom easily.

Apparently you never tried one.  One of the best out there.  Far better than any TM wedges.

+ 1

[cheeks]

rafal, on 13 October 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Ranger Rick, on 13 October 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

Ye Callaway had something going back when grooves were still big but their latest releases haven't been top of the pack. I am sure with the new management and Roger Cleveland they will have something big next year.

The wedge pecking order probably goes:

Cleveland
Titleist
Mizuno
TM
Ping
then only Callaway. You might even be able to throw Nike in there above them.

Mizuno on the bottom easily.

You're easily wrong.

[TripleGrindSole]

ryancjordan, on 13 October 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

How are Callaway's wedges top of the pack?  I would say the clear consensus winner is generally either Titleist or Cleveland in this department, with TM being right behind.  Callaway haven't really released anything new or interesting since the jaws wedge, which is like 3 or 4 years old now right?  The X forged is probably one of the worst wedges I've ever used and I haven't used one since.

Wrong on three levels...

1. Callaway hasn't released anything new since the Jaws--How about the 2012 Callaway Copper and it's Dark Grey counterpart...A solid wedge if you ask me. I had it in the bag for a few months and it definitely held it's own and it even gets some play on tour. I do prefer the Jaws though.

2. The X-forged wedge is the worst wedge you have ever used---No it's not. You have used a worse wedge. You are just being wonky. The X-Forged with MD grooves is one of the top 10 best wedges ever released.

3. TaylorMade is right behind Vokeys and Clevelands in the wedge dept.----TM wedges wouldn't rank high in any category (performance, price, quality, feel, tour play) when it comes to wedges. Except maybe in the ability to change faceplates. And even then, it would still rank second behind the SPIN DOCTOR RI




we good?

[Ranger Rick]

I see quite a few Taylormade wedges out here. Mainly the RAC's because they are quite cheap and solid enough. Also while Mizuno might not be huge in sales in terms of quality and following they are right up there.

[TripleGrindSole]

^I will give you that on the RAC's.. I do see a lot of those out on the course. When I was writing my response on TM wedges, the XFT and ATV were at the front of my mind.

I also agree on the Mizzy wedges. You would think that with so many die hard Mizuno iron players out there, their wedges would get more play than they do. I personally have yet to try one.




*edited for spelling

Edited by TripleGrindSole, 14 October 2012 - 04:13 AM.

[silver77]

I don't think taylormade will ever be known for their wedges lol TM is to busy hyping the rbz 3 wood.I personally think callaway jaws md was their best wedge and I own 2 of them. second would be scratch forged and cast

[TheLastDon]

Vokey and Cleveland are top 2 without doubt, which order depends on who you ask. Ping is actually probably third, they have strong brand loyalty and hell I've seen more eye2 wedges still kicking than I have mizuno wedges. I am a big mizz fan iron wise, but I grew up on the 588's and I always end up going back to them.

Tmag's popularity is mostly top down, Driver then hybrids, then fairways, irons, and their putters/wedges at the bottom of their popularity. While you will see a fair number of the RAC's still out and about I don't think I've seen anything from the past 3-4 seasons in a bag yet this year. Putter wise, they are very far down the totem pole.

[theebdk]

I was dissapointed that they did not add one of the smaller high quality companies like Scor or Scratch.  I understand advertising but maybe one of these days the big guys will buy the smaller fish.

[Fornesto]

wow really surprised to hear that callaway doesnt make good wedges especially since the V forged are the best wedges Ive ever played. way better than any janky cast club (yes vokeys too) but by all means keep beliving the hype and buying horrible tmag and Titleist casts it makes my selection cheaper and easier. Thanx!

[asualum]

I love Cally wedges - particularly the Jaws series. They're up there with my Scratch wedges. Love'em both!

[pt77]

vokeys and Cleveland are top of the wedge pile ...period

[moonshine]

I have the mag, but not next to me.  Are they mentioning new wedges for the upcoming season?  Maybe nothing continued included?  For me personally, the mp-r performs far better than anything else.  However, reading the comments, many staff players from other brands play older cally x forged wedges.  This is a choice...they could carry any brand they want..including no 1 ladies player in the world.

[ryancjordan]

+Church, on 13 October 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

You have to pay to play.... They may have gone off companies that spent the most on ads, or maybe(this is just a guess)  golf digest charges companies for "spotlight" articles.

Yeah I'm sure the problem was that Callaway didn't pay enough for promotion.  Are you people being serious?

[jmvargas]

i am a wedge ho and have owned more than a hundred and still have about 40+...

the best wedge i had was a wilson staff R69 sometime in the 60s(am 67)..

it was forged and heavyish and fantastic from both bunkers and and grass..

never had it measured but guessed it was in the 55* or 56* range..

gene sarazen invented the sand wedge and he was on their staff until he passed in his 90s so i have always liked their older wedges..

i haven't tried their new ones lately but have always used wedges very similar to the old wilsons..

my current conforming favorites are my adams V3 forged 55* SW and 60* LW as i also use the matching forged short irons...

my back-ups are the srixon forged wg-504s which i have in 54/8..58/8..58/14 but they're non-conforming..

my collection includes clevelands, callaways, wilsons,tourstages,bridgestones,adams,hogans, geotech and pings..

vokeys never fitted my eye...

Edited by jmvargas, 04 December 2012 - 04:52 AM.