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#31 General Ursus

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:06 PM

View Postdlam, on 11 October 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

IMO 3/4 time signature would have made better tracks than 4/4.

I've always thought that the swing was like waltzing myself,,, at least I feel like I waltz .


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:08 PM

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Fifth, it's not that hard, the beep starts at the beginning of the 1 count not on it.
Beep---one count---one count---one count---Beep---one count---Beep.


What? You can't count like that. So the second beep is the transition and the third beep is the finish? You just made it more confusing.

No one is arguing that the pros have a 3:1 ratio, I've gone step by step on videos and I agree, 3:1. The argument is if you follow the rhythm of the music and start on 1, end on four, your swing is a total of three beats. 1 to 2 is ONE beat, 2 to 3 is ONE beat, 3 to four is ONE beat... 3 beats (4 to 1 would be another beat).

This actually has nothing to do with music, because in music if you play four quarter notes the last one ends just before the next measure. But if this tour tempo says impact is AT FOUR, then four isn't really counted as a beat. If four isn't counted as a beat then you have 3 beats which would be a 2:1 ratio... 2 quarter notes back swing and 1 quarter note down swing.

When counting frames you start at frame 0, if we are counting starting at 1 then that shifts everything over, so you have to start counting after a 1/3 of the back swing has occurred.



0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8   9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16   17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24   (tansition) 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
1   2 3   4

That is where the beats have to be for it to be a 3:1 ratio.

So we literally just said the same thing.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

View PostHitEmTrue, on 11 October 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

View PostGolfzalo, on 11 October 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

View PosttElihu, on 11 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

The OP has a valid point. That being said, measuring a time ratio by rhythmically saying one-two-three-four is not a very accurate method and, in and of itself, does not prove the 3:1 ratio wrong.

Listen to the musical tracks on Tour Tempo website...and count...it's that easy!

If you use a 6/8 time sequence...with | 1 2 3 | 4 5 6 |, starting the back swing on the down beat of 1, and FINISHING the downswing on the down beat of the 2nd measure (beat 4), you are correct, that would be a 2/1 ratio.

If you look at the video of the Micro Player page, at about the 2:46 mark.  It is in slow motion, and it is a 3:1 ratio, 4/4 time.   | 1 2 3 4 | 5 6 7 8 |   backswing starts on beat one, top of backswing on beat 4, and impact on beat 5.  Beats 2 and 3 are silent.

OK, now I've heard the music from his link.  I have no idea what the specific instructions are, but to get 3:1 ratio you have to start backswing on down beat of beat one, start downswing at downbeat of 4, and impact at down beat of next measure.

That's exactly what we are saying.

It would have worked better with music in 5/4 but many people cant count to 5.

I think 5/4 time closer to 195 BPM is what should have happened.

3/4 would be a 1:1 ratio because you DON'T count the last beat as that is impact and the swing is over.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:11 PM

I think the confusion at OP started when thinking those beeps are timed to mean those moments and they are not. Don't have the app, but seems logical way to confuse it.

So the time between 1st and 3rd beep is in 1:3 but there is only 2 beeps there instead of 3

So the real time goes

1.......2......3......4(t)......5

and the beeps are
1...........2..........3.........5

Does this make sense?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:15 PM

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I think the confusion at OP started when thinking those beeps are timed to mean those moments and they are not. Don't have the app, but seems logical way to confuse it.

So the time between 1st and 3rd beep is in 1:3 but there is only 2 beeps there instead of 3

So the real time goes

1.......2......3......4(t)......5

and the beeps are
1...........2..........3.........5

Does this make sense?

Did you listen to the tracks?

They go... Da (rest) Da Da

You start the back swing ON the first note. The last note is impact.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:17 PM

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Fifth, it's not that hard, the beep starts at the beginning of the 1 count not on it.
Beep---one count---one count---one count---Beep---one count---Beep.


What? You can't count like that. So the second beep is the transition and the third beep is the finish? You just made it more confusing.

No one is arguing that the pros have a 3:1 ratio, I've gone step by step on videos and I agree, 3:1. The argument is if you follow the rhythm of the music and start on 1, end on four, your swing is a total of three beats. 1 to 2 is ONE beat, 2 to 3 is ONE beat, 3 to four is ONE beat... 3 beats (4 to 1 would be another beat).

This actually has nothing to do with music, because in music if you play four quarter notes the last one ends just before the next measure. But if this tour tempo says impact is AT FOUR, then four isn't really counted as a beat.

O I'll put it this way if you were looking at it on a video.

BEEP --- 8 frames --- 8 frames --- 8 frames --- BEEP top of backswing ---  8 frames --- BEEP impact

If this is in 4/4 time, then where would the SECOND beep (beat) go?

BEEP --- 8 frames --- 4 frames --- BEEP--- 4 frames --- 8 frames --- BEEP top of backswing ---  8 frames --- BEEP impact

You see, that does not divide equally.



BEEP --- 8 frames ---  BEEP--- 8 frames ---BEEP--- 8 frames --- BEEP top of backswing ---  8 frames --- BEEP impact

Edited by crapula, 11 October 2012 - 01:18 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:23 PM

Like others have said, the beats may not be precisely 3:1.

They account for reaction time. Mostly, the reaction time needed to transition from backswing to downswing.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

View Postnova6868, on 11 October 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Like others have said, the beats may not be precisely 3:1.

They account for reaction time. Mostly, the reaction time needed to transition from backswing to downswing.

So, the idea is that everyone will be late and never notice that they are late, therefore using it correctly?
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:31 PM

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I think the confusion at OP started when thinking those beeps are timed to mean those moments and they are not. Don't have the app, but seems logical way to confuse it.

So the time between 1st and 3rd beep is in 1:3 but there is only 2 beeps there instead of 3

So the real time goes

1.......2......3......4(t)......5

and the beeps are
1...........2..........3.........5

Does this make sense?

Did you listen to the tracks?

They go... Da (rest) Da Da

You start the back swing ON the first note. The last note is impact.

Doesn't change the point. The timing can still be 1:3 even there is no beep for each split

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:43 PM

Now I know why so many musician's can't write music, including a few friends.  :lol:  In B&W photography the spectrum starts at "0" - 9; so I vote the count starts at "0".

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:44 PM

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I think the confusion at OP started when thinking those beeps are timed to mean those moments and they are not. Don't have the app, but seems logical way to confuse it.

So the time between 1st and 3rd beep is in 1:3 but there is only 2 beeps there instead of 3

So the real time goes

1.......2......3......4(t)......5

and the beeps are
1...........2..........3.........5

Does this make sense?

Did you listen to the tracks?

They go... Da (rest) Da Da

You start the back swing ON the first note. The last note is impact.

Doesn't change the point. The timing can still be 1:3 even there is no beep for each split

Not if you start on 1 and end on 4. If you start on one and transition starts on 3, 3 to 4 is considered the 1 in the ratio and 1 to 2, 2 to 3 is 2... 2:1
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I think the confusion at OP started when thinking those beeps are timed to mean those moments and they are not. Don't have the app, but seems logical way to confuse it.

So the time between 1st and 3rd beep is in 1:3 but there is only 2 beeps there instead of 3

So the real time goes

1.......2......3......4(t)......5

and the beeps are
1...........2..........3.........5

Does this make sense?

Did you listen to the tracks?

They go... Da (rest) Da Da

You start the back swing ON the first note. The last note is impact.

Doesn't change the point. The timing can still be 1:3 even there is no beep for each split

Not if you start on 1 and end on 4. If you start on one and transition starts on 3, 3 to 4 is considered the 1 in the ratio and 1 to 2, 2 to 3 is 2... 2:1

The problem is a musician heard the beeps and assumed they were on a 3:1 ratio, which is incorrect. The PURPOSE of the beeps is simply to have a time segment that is 3X longer than the next segment.

To exaggerate the timing should be BEEP (One second) BEEP (1/3 a second) BEEP. I have no idea what beats those are supposed to be on, but that's how the timing works.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:


It would have worked better with music in 5/4 but many people cant count to 5.

I think 5/4 time closer to 195 BPM is what should have happened.


They could use the intro to The Allman Brothers "Whipping Post". 11/4 time. Or 6/6 followed by 5/6. EIther way, the first 6 for aim, the last 5 for swing :)

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:56 PM

View Postdlam, on 11 October 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

IMO 3/4 time signature would have made better tracks than 4/4.

LOL must be a CW music man

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:00 PM

View PostPepperturbo, on 11 October 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Now I know why so many musician's can't write music, including a few friends.  :lol:  In B&W photography the spectrum starts at "0" - 9; so I vote the count starts at "0".

Count all the fingers on your hand starting from 0 to 4 and tell me what finger you finish on.

Edited by General Ursus, 11 October 2012 - 02:00 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

View Postsonofagunn, on 11 October 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

It would have worked better with music in 5/4 but many people cant count to 5.

I think 5/4 time closer to 195 BPM is what should have happened.


They could use the intro to The Allman Brothers "Whipping Post". 11/4 time. Or 6/6 followed by 5/6. EIther way, the first 6 for aim, the last 5 for swing :)

Wasn't the intro to Heart's Magic Man 11/4 :slow_en:

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:06 PM

View PostGeneral Ursus, on 11 October 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

View PostPepperturbo, on 11 October 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Now I know why so many musician's can't write music, including a few friends.  :lol:  In B&W photography the spectrum starts at "0" - 9; so I vote the count starts at "0".

Count all the fingers on your hand starting from 0 to 4 and tell me what finger you finish on.

Neat idea, but NOT all subject counts fit starting with "0", that includes counting all fingers... but if I do that, the count is 3; thumb is NOT a finger. :)

Edited by Pepperturbo, 11 October 2012 - 02:06 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:10 PM

View PostPepperturbo, on 11 October 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

View PostGeneral Ursus, on 11 October 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

View PostPepperturbo, on 11 October 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Now I know why so many musician's can't write music, including a few friends.  :lol:  In B&W photography the spectrum starts at "0" - 9; so I vote the count starts at "0".

Count all the fingers on your hand starting from 0 to 4 and tell me what finger you finish on.

Neat idea, but NOT all subject counts fit starting with "0", that includes counting all fingers... but if I do that, the count is 3; thumb is NOT a finger. :)

Who said anything about a thumb ? :swoon:

Edited by General Ursus, 11 October 2012 - 02:13 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:21 PM

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

The problem is a musician heard the beeps and assumed they were on a 3:1 ratio, which is incorrect. The PURPOSE of the beeps is simply to have a time segment that is 3X longer than the next segment.

To exaggerate the timing should be BEEP (One second) BEEP (1/3 a second) BEEP. I have no idea what beats those are supposed to be on, but that's how the timing works.

http://www.tourtempo.com/yale.pdf

I recorded the first track and brought it into Premiere, created a 24fps project and counted the frames from beat 1 to beat 3 (20 frames), then counted the frames from 3 to 4 (10 frames).

Posted Image

As you can see, the three is not at one second (if the 3 was at the 3rd four I typed in, then the 3 would be at one second). And this is a 2:1 ratio.

Edited by crapula, 11 October 2012 - 02:25 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:39 PM

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

The problem is a musician heard the beeps and assumed they were on a 3:1 ratio, which is incorrect. The PURPOSE of the beeps is simply to have a time segment that is 3X longer than the next segment.

To exaggerate the timing should be BEEP (One second) BEEP (1/3 a second) BEEP. I have no idea what beats those are supposed to be on, but that's how the timing works.

http://www.tourtempo.com/yale.pdf

I recorded the first track and brought it into Premiere, created a 24fps project and counted the frames from beat 1 to beat 3 (20 frames), then counted the frames from 3 to 4 (10 frames).

Posted Image

As you can see, the three is not at one second (if the 3 was at the 3rd four I typed in, then the 3 would be at one second). And this is a 2:1 ratio.

You'll have to do a better job explaining that.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:44 PM

View PostGeneral Ursus, on 11 October 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

View PostMDP1555, on 11 October 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Even in music time you are incorrect. A mesure starts ar Zero not 1. Take 4/4 time. It takes one fourth of a measure to finish to the first beat (the full extent of a quarter note). by your therory you could only have 3 quarter notes to a measure because you are assuming that the event starts at  the cout of 1 but it starts at zero, 1 is the end of the first quarter measure.

Same is true In time laps. An event starts at Zero and by the of count one has been in action one unit of time. So if you start at zero seconds and it takes 3 seconds for the event to reach the first stage and one more second for the event to reach its climax the ratio between fist stage and climax is 3:1

Guitarists have always under stand that time starts at Zero. drummers are always late :) just ripping

A measure starts on 1.  You have to allot time for the 4th

i.e.

1-ee-and-a-2-ee-and-a-3-ee-and-a-4-ee-and-a

if it started on zero,,, you'd have 5 beats to a measure ...

0-ee-and-a-1-ee-and-a-2-ee-and-a-3-ee-and-a-4-ee-and-a


(studied to be a music teacher,,, played band from 3rd to 2nd year of college.)

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:50 PM

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Fifth, it's not that hard, the beep starts at the beginning of the 1 count not on it.
Beep---one count---one count---one count---Beep---one count---Beep.


What? You can't count like that. So the second beep is the transition and the third beep is the finish? You just made it more confusing.

No one is arguing that the pros have a 3:1 ratio, I've gone step by step on videos and I agree, 3:1. The argument is if you follow the rhythm of the music and start on 1, end on four, your swing is a total of three beats. 1 to 2 is ONE beat, 2 to 3 is ONE beat, 3 to four is ONE beat... 3 beats (4 to 1 would be another beat).

This actually has nothing to do with music, because in music if you play four quarter notes the last one ends just before the next measure. But if this tour tempo says impact is AT FOUR, then four isn't really counted as a beat.

O I'll put it this way if you were looking at it on a video.

BEEP --- 8 frames --- 8 frames --- 8 frames --- BEEP top of backswing ---  8 frames --- BEEP impact

That's what it should be, but is not. What you hear is this:

Beep - - - - - Rest - - - - - Beep - - - - - Beep

How many intervals?

You are mixing the explanation of the frames with the beeps. Just concentrate on the beeps (and rest) and check how many EQUAL intervals are --> Only 3!!!

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

The problem is a musician heard the beeps and assumed they were on a 3:1 ratio, which is incorrect. The PURPOSE of the beeps is simply to have a time segment that is 3X longer than the next segment.

To exaggerate the timing should be BEEP (One second) BEEP (1/3 a second) BEEP. I have no idea what beats those are supposed to be on, but that's how the timing works.

http://www.tourtempo.com/yale.pdf

I recorded the first track and brought it into Premiere, created a 24fps project and counted the frames from beat 1 to beat 3 (20 frames), then counted the frames from 3 to 4 (10 frames).

Posted Image

As you can see, the three is not at one second (if the 3 was at the 3rd four I typed in, then the 3 would be at one second). And this is a 2:1 ratio.

You'll have to do a better job explaining that.

I can't. If you don't see the proof, then you will never change your mind. I'll try again...

You see how downswing to impact is 10 ticks? That is the 1 in the tour tempo ratio. You see how there are 20 ticks from the start of the swing to transition? That is the 2 (it supposed to be 30 ticks to make a 3:1 ratio).
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:52 PM

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I think the confusion at OP started when thinking those beeps are timed to mean those moments and they are not. Don't have the app, but seems logical way to confuse it.

So the time between 1st and 3rd beep is in 1:3 but there is only 2 beeps there instead of 3

So the real time goes

1.......2......3......4(t)......5

and the beeps are
1...........2..........3.........5

Does this make sense?

Did you listen to the tracks?

They go... Da (rest) Da Da

You start the back swing ON the first note. The last note is impact.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:53 PM

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

View PostTeeAce, on 11 October 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I think the confusion at OP started when thinking those beeps are timed to mean those moments and they are not. Don't have the app, but seems logical way to confuse it.

So the time between 1st and 3rd beep is in 1:3 but there is only 2 beeps there instead of 3

So the real time goes

1.......2......3......4(t)......5

and the beeps are
1...........2..........3.........5

Does this make sense?

Did you listen to the tracks?

They go... Da (rest) Da Da

You start the back swing ON the first note. The last note is impact.

Doesn't change the point. The timing can still be 1:3 even there is no beep for each split

Not if you start on 1 and end on 4. If you start on one and transition starts on 3, 3 to 4 is considered the 1 in the ratio and 1 to 2, 2 to 3 is 2... 2:1

The problem is a musician heard the beeps and assumed they were on a 3:1 ratio, which is incorrect. The PURPOSE of the beeps is simply to have a time segment that is 3X longer than the next segment.

To exaggerate the timing should be BEEP (One second) BEEP (1/3 a second) BEEP. I have no idea what beats those are supposed to be on, but that's how the timing works.

http://www.tourtempo.com/yale.pdf

But it is not 3 times longer!!!!! It is only 2 times!!!


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:54 PM

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

The problem is a musician heard the beeps and assumed they were on a 3:1 ratio, which is incorrect. The PURPOSE of the beeps is simply to have a time segment that is 3X longer than the next segment.

To exaggerate the timing should be BEEP (One second) BEEP (1/3 a second) BEEP. I have no idea what beats those are supposed to be on, but that's how the timing works.

http://www.tourtempo.com/yale.pdf

I recorded the first track and brought it into Premiere, created a 24fps project and counted the frames from beat 1 to beat 3 (20 frames), then counted the frames from 3 to 4 (10 frames).

Posted Image

As you can see, the three is not at one second (if the 3 was at the 3rd four I typed in, then the 3 would be at one second). And this is a 2:1 ratio.

You'll have to do a better job explaining that.

I can't. If you don't see the proof, then you will never change your mind. I'll try again...

You see how downswing to impact is 10 ticks? That is the 1 in the tour tempo ratio. You see how there are 20 ticks from the start of the swing to transition? That is the 2 (it supposed to be 30 ticks to make a 3:1 ratio).

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:57 PM

View PostGeneral Ursus, on 11 October 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

View PostGolfzalo, on 11 October 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

View PostGeneral Ursus, on 11 October 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

View PostMDP1555, on 11 October 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Even in music time you are incorrect. A mesure starts ar Zero not 1. Take 4/4 time. It takes one fourth of a measure to finish to the first beat (the full extent of a quarter note). by your therory you could only have 3 quarter notes to a measure because you are assuming that the event starts at  the cout of 1 but it starts at zero, 1 is the end of the first quarter measure.

Same is true In time laps. An event starts at Zero and by the of count one has been in action one unit of time. So if you start at zero seconds and it takes 3 seconds for the event to reach the first stage and one more second for the event to reach its climax the ratio between fist stage and climax is 3:1

Guitarists have always under stand that time starts at Zero. drummers are always late :) just ripping

A measure starts on 1.  You have to allot time for the 4th

i.e.

1-ee-and-a-2-ee-and-a-3-ee-and-a-4-ee-and-a

if it started on zero,,, you'd have 5 beats to a measure ...

0-ee-and-a-1-ee-and-a-2-ee-and-a-3-ee-and-a-4-ee-and-a


Relative to MUSIC,,,,, 4 means something !!!!!  

There are four (4) 1/4 beats for every count.


The 4 is a 1/4
The ee is 1/4
The and is a 1/4
and the a is a 1/4


which makes 1 count.

There are 16 1/4 notes/beats in 4 counts.


(studied to be a music teacher,,, played band from 3rd to 2nd year of college.)

There is no 4th beat...the swing finishes in Four!

So the swing doesn't finish?

How the hell can you say something doesn't  exists,,,, but you still count it?

Ok - Do it this way...it is a 1/3 beat actually. Count 1, 2 , 3 and 1. There you go...that's what your swinging.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:57 PM

View PostGolfzalo, on 11 October 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

The problem is a musician heard the beeps and assumed they were on a 3:1 ratio, which is incorrect. The PURPOSE of the beeps is simply to have a time segment that is 3X longer than the next segment.

To exaggerate the timing should be BEEP (One second) BEEP (1/3 a second) BEEP. I have no idea what beats those are supposed to be on, but that's how the timing works.

http://www.tourtempo.com/yale.pdf

But it is not 3 times longer!!!!! It is only 2 times!!!

Wow I'm a total idiot, all this time I thought 1 second is 3 times longer than a 1/3 a second.................

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Edited by gators78, 11 October 2012 - 02:58 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:58 PM

View PostGeneral Ursus, on 11 October 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:


So the swing doesn't finish?

How the hell can you say something doesn't  exists,,,, but you still count it?

You don't count the 4 because that is impact and the end of the "tour ratio."
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:59 PM

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

View Postcrapula, on 11 October 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

View Postgators78, on 11 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

The problem is a musician heard the beeps and assumed they were on a 3:1 ratio, which is incorrect. The PURPOSE of the beeps is simply to have a time segment that is 3X longer than the next segment.

To exaggerate the timing should be BEEP (One second) BEEP (1/3 a second) BEEP. I have no idea what beats those are supposed to be on, but that's how the timing works.

http://www.tourtempo.com/yale.pdf

I recorded the first track and brought it into Premiere, created a 24fps project and counted the frames from beat 1 to beat 3 (20 frames), then counted the frames from 3 to 4 (10 frames).

Posted Image

As you can see, the three is not at one second (if the 3 was at the 3rd four I typed in, then the 3 would be at one second). And this is a 2:1 ratio.

You'll have to do a better job explaining that.

I can't. If you don't see the proof, then you will never change your mind. I'll try again...

You see how downswing to impact is 10 ticks? That is the 1 in the tour tempo ratio. You see how there are 20 ticks from the start of the swing to transition? That is the 2 (it supposed to be 30 ticks to make a 3:1 ratio).

What file are you using.

I recorded the first file on the website. 01 Country Club

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