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Titleist 913 D2 Vs. D3

Difference in spin

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#1 jwolfe910

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:33 AM

I'm looking at purchasing a new 913 to replace my 910 D3.  I was ready to preorder a 913 D3 until I've read alot of posts on here saying the spin is almost identical between the two.  The reason I went with the 910 D3 is because it spun about 300rpms less than the D2. If I can get a little more forgiveness and not sacrifice spin then I'll be ordering a 913 D2. Anyone who has tested the new 913's on a launch monitor please let me know what the differences between the 913 D2 Vs. D3.  Thanks,

Edited by jwolfe910, 10 October 2012 - 11:35 AM.


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:28 PM

I got fit for these today. The D3 was definitely coming out hotter. Not a huge difference but noticeable. I actually felt forgiveness was pretty close. I got put into a 7.5, but I hit the ball very high.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:21 PM

 Honman, on 10 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I got fit for these today. The D3 was definitely coming out hotter. Not a huge difference but noticeable. I actually felt forgiveness was pretty close. I got put into a 7.5, but I hit the ball very high.

Do you have actual numbers on how much spin was reduced with the D3 or was this your ball flight observation/feel opinion?
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:10 PM

I've got a fitting scheduled in the morning at an outdoor facility with a Trackman. I'll post my numbers tomorrow night. I'm currently in a 910D2 with the Ahina 72 S. I also have a Speeder VC 6.2 that I switch in and out. Looking forward to it.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:27 PM

I thought this information was very helpful. http://www.titleist....re-performance.

"Unlike the 910 series, both D2 and D3 models now provide the same launch and spin characteristics to provide maximum fitting flexibility"

"Golfers can now choose their 913 model based on size or shape preference, amount of forgiveness or workability, and amount of draw bias"

913D2 vs. 913D3:

"The 913D2 driver, provides maximum forgiveness and has a slight draw bias as a result of its CG being positioned deeper in the head."

"The 913D3 driver is a forgiving driver yet provides more workability with no flight bias from its CG that is positioned closer to the face relative to the 913D2."

Edited by JR Van, 10 October 2012 - 02:31 PM.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

 RonSwanson, on 10 October 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

 Honman, on 10 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I got fit for these today. The D3 was definitely coming out hotter. Not a huge difference but noticeable. I actually felt forgiveness was pretty close. I got put into a 7.5, but I hit the ball very high.

Do you have actual numbers on how much spin was reduced with the D3 or was this your ball flight observation/feel opinion?

We hit a couple of balls with the d2 and was then put straight back into the d3. I don't have those numbers but I can probably get them. But it was so glaringly obvious to the eye as well when I hit them. The D2 was just climbing more.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:21 PM

I just don't see how the D2 and D3 could be identical in spin.  I know Titleist says they're the same, but I'd like to see some results from members who has hit both.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:52 PM

 jwolfe910, on 10 October 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

I just don't see how the D2 and D3 could be identical in spin.  I know Titleist says they're the same, but I'd like to see some results from members who has hit both.

They were NOT the same for me but they were close enough that it would not have mattered which head I would get.  In the end I would opt for more forgiveness and while I like the D3 head better, the D2 is better for me.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:14 PM

"The reason I went with the 910 D3 is because it spun about 300rpms less than the D2"

Well they said they lowered the D2 by 250 and the D3 by 50 rpms. So basically the difference would be 100 rpms in your case. Which is not enough difference to base any decisions off of, that's why they say they are the "same".

So if you can handle an increase in spin of 100 rpms, you can gain 5 percent forgiveness that the D2 has. This is only what I interpret from their info, doesn't mean I believe you should base your decision off of it. lol

Edited by JR Van, 10 October 2012 - 06:17 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:27 AM

 vsabre, on 10 October 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

I've got a fitting scheduled in the morning at an outdoor facility with a Trackman. I'll post my numbers tomorrow night. I'm currently in a 910D2 with the Ahina 72 S. I also have a Speeder VC 6.2 that I switch in and out. Looking forward to it.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:40 AM

 RonSwanson, on 10 October 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

 Honman, on 10 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I got fit for these today. The D3 was definitely coming out hotter. Not a huge difference but noticeable. I actually felt forgiveness was pretty close. I got put into a 7.5, but I hit the ball very high.

Do you have actual numbers on how much spin was reduced with the D3 or was this your ball flight observation/feel opinion?

Just looked and its not quite apple for apple, as the numbers I've got are for a slightly different shaft with the d2.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:09 AM

I am going for a fitting up here in the cold of Toronto tomorrow and will report back some numbers.  Thinking the spin will be almost identical on both.  I currently have a 910 D2 with the Project X Tour Issue shaft, 6.0.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:12 AM

 Honman, on 11 October 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

 RonSwanson, on 10 October 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

 Honman, on 10 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I got fit for these today. The D3 was definitely coming out hotter. Not a huge difference but noticeable. I actually felt forgiveness was pretty close. I got put into a 7.5, but I hit the ball very high.

Do you have actual numbers on how much spin was reduced with the D3 or was this your ball flight observation/feel opinion?

Just looked and its not quite apple for apple, as the numbers I've got are for a slightly different shaft with the d2.

7.5 D3 oban devotion 6 04 flex
99mph clubhead speed
143.7  mph ballspeed
12.4 launch
2488 spin

7.5 d2 Fuji motore f1 65 stiff
97 Mph clubheadspeed speed
138.8 mph ballspeed
13.9 launch
4679 spin

Quite the difference in spin rates.... Looks like a great upgrade for you!  I know I'm excited for my fitting today, I am hoping for similar spin rates as you found
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:20 AM

 Stetson, on 11 October 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

 Honman, on 11 October 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

 RonSwanson, on 10 October 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

 Honman, on 10 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I got fit for these today. The D3 was definitely coming out hotter. Not a huge difference but noticeable. I actually felt forgiveness was pretty close. I got put into a 7.5, but I hit the ball very high.

Do you have actual numbers on how much spin was reduced with the D3 or was this your ball flight observation/feel opinion?

Just looked and its not quite apple for apple, as the numbers I've got are for a slightly different shaft with the d2.

7.5 D3 oban devotion 6 04 flex
99mph clubhead speed
143.7  mph ballspeed
12.4 launch
2488 spin

7.5 d2 Fuji motore f1 65 stiff
97 Mph clubheadspeed speed
138.8 mph ballspeed
13.9 launch
4679 spin

Quite the difference in spin rates.... Looks like a great upgrade for you!  I know I'm excited for my fitting today, I am hoping for similar spin rates as you found

That's obviously not even close to the same swing.  They're a lot closer than 910 that's for sure.  It's much easier to get D2 players optimal this year than when using 910.  It's hard to put an exact number to it but I'd guess less than 150 rpm spin difference.  Certain players are going to react different and make different swings depending on the head.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:19 AM

 J.W., on 11 October 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

 Stetson, on 11 October 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

 Honman, on 11 October 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

 RonSwanson, on 10 October 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

 Honman, on 10 October 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I got fit for these today. The D3 was definitely coming out hotter. Not a huge difference but noticeable. I actually felt forgiveness was pretty close. I got put into a 7.5, but I hit the ball very high.

Do you have actual numbers on how much spin was reduced with the D3 or was this your ball flight observation/feel opinion?

Just looked and its not quite apple for apple, as the numbers I've got are for a slightly different shaft with the d2.

7.5 D3 oban devotion 6 04 flex
99mph clubhead speed
143.7  mph ballspeed
12.4 launch
2488 spin

7.5 d2 Fuji motore f1 65 stiff
97 Mph clubheadspeed speed
138.8 mph ballspeed
13.9 launch
4679 spin

Quite the difference in spin rates.... Looks like a great upgrade for you!  I know I'm excited for my fitting today, I am hoping for similar spin rates as you found

That's obviously not even close to the same swing.  They're a lot closer than 910 that's for sure.  It's much easier to get D2 players optimal this year than when using 910.  It's hard to put an exact number to it but I'd guess less than 150 rpm spin difference.  Certain players are going to react different and make different swings depending on the head.

I agree they are closer. My friend has a 910 d2 that I fly to the moon, and this wasn't the case.

However I was just surprised as the story they are selling is that they both spin the same, and they don't. I was fully expecting to come out with a d2 for the added forgiveness , and not in such an extreme loft! On bad days I'll be able to use it as a broom handle putter! But the results were fantastic. There was such a marked improvement in my ball flight.

To compare it to my current driver, a Razr hawk tour 9.5 ahina 60 x my numbers were a great imprement

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

That's great Honman, glad you found one that worked for you.  Titleist definitely has them closer to each other as far as spin but I think its obvious to most guys into custom clubs that they weren't going to be exact (or D2 as low spinning) just with CG placement and the design of the head, lofts being equal of course.  I think where Titleist has made strides is in the D2 player market where 910 would spin too much for some players that Titleist would lose out on a sale to another OEM.  For example G20 would be more forgiving than 910D2 but spin much less especially on misses.  This should be fixed, it was hard to put that player in D3 because misses were punished too much and the lower spin didn't matter on swings where they couldn't find the face.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:21 PM

Vsabre how did your fitting go today?

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:24 PM

Anyone care to comment on the "feel" of the 913 vs the 910 (d3 preferabley)?  I know its "hotter off the face" but what about balance/weight distribution/feel/etc?  Basically, I'm wondering if they are two totally different heads or just slight amendments of each other either validating or not validating a purchase over the other?  Thanks!
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 05:49 PM

 jwolfe910, on 11 October 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Vsabre how did your fitting go today?

Went well and actually spent less time on the driver than I thought. Got truly fit into some new JPX825 Pros and believe it or not, I'm trading in my MP59s. But this is a Titleist thread so I'll move that story over to another thread.

I'm going back in two weeks to get fit for the driver but I did have a chance to hit the 913D3 with the Phenom S shaft and compare it to the 910D2 with the Ahina 72 S. Only about 15 balls, and I didn't see or feel any magic in the 913. All the numbers between the 910 and the 913 were about the same, although near the end the spin on the 913 started to come down to the 2500-2600 range.I was about 2900-3200 with the 910. Swing speed is between 100-105.  I'll post a more complete number picture after my next session.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:01 AM

I believe that they are two totally different clubs (910 vs 913)  and I believe the face insert is  a big reason for that.  Both clubs feel good, but I don't believe the ball stays on the face as long on the 913, it springs off the face quicker for more ball speed, and more distance.  I went back and forth hitting D2 and D3, and hit both pretty well in the booth (for me anyway)  I am not a really long hitter, so it's critical that I get the launch angle right, to maximize my distance.  For me, I tended to launch the D2 higher than the D3, even dialed down to 8.75, I still hit the D2 pretty high, the Edwiin Watts  rep that fitted me, said he liked the numbers on the D3 for me better, that I was putting the D2 to high.  I believe the D2 is characteristic for higher ball flight.  I'm hitting a 9.5 degree.  With the D3, I got the launch angle around  12.5 to 13.5, down from over 14 on the D2.

One thing that helped me to choose the D3 is, the slight increase in vertical hitting space as well as a lower launch angle.  If I tee the ball up or down a bit, the D3 is going to help me to still find the face, even if not the sweet spot.  the last ball I hit in the booth with the D3 felt so pure on the sweet spot, I can tell you that, and the 910 D2 never felt that pure!  Oh it felt great, just not quite that great!


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:11 AM

 jwolfe910, on 10 October 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

I just don't see how the D2 and D3 could be identical in spin.  I know Titleist says they're the same, but I'd like to see some results from members who has hit both.

I have done plenty of fittings with the two and D3 is certainly less spin than D2...Titleist is going to say it from a Marketing perspective...and I am certainly not knocking Titleist for saying this I think they make excellent products..
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:17 AM

With the D2 having a natural draw "bias" according to Titleist, it only stands to reason that it must spin more.  Right?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:19 AM

The day my 913D3 arrived, I went to the store to pick it up.  The guy I bought it from asked me, want to hit a few just to make sure the shaft is right and everything before you walk out the door?  I said sure!  Got on the trackman and started ripping away, the original fitting I did with the 913d3, was launching 12-13 with 2150-2300 spin with the stock phenom in a 9.5 head.  So starting hitting balls and was hitting it a little further left than was before, launch was the same but spinning over 3000.  Went thru a few shafts and all about the same.  After done went to the front and thinking, "is this the right move?  trackman numbers don't lie!", then realized they had given me a D2 head not the D3, so went back and started hitting D3 on trackman and numbers were in same ball park as first fitting.  The D2 felt great and hot, but it spun considerably more than the D3 for me.

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BS: 161.7
Launch: 11.7
Smash: 1.49
Spin: 3030

913D3 9.5 w/ Phenom 70 & D+72
BS: 161.9
Launch: 12.3
Smash:1.49
Spin: 2240

Been a great 3 weeks of having this driver and look forward to playing it for awhile.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:23 AM

I went through a pretty extensive fitting, outdoors, with Trackman, Pro V1x and a really experienced fitter. As a high launch/ high spin player I have always played the D3 to get optimal numbers. The 913D2 is another story... We were able to get optimal numbers with both heads in 8.5°. My miss is generally a hook and I didn't notice any draw biased in the D2. I am going to demo a D2 and do some on course testing before I commit to the D2 over the D3 but from what I have seen so far the D2 is the superior head and I never expected for that to be the case.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:28 AM

 PrO_D_BoMbEr, on 04 December 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

The day my 913D3 arrived, I went to the store to pick it up.  The guy I bought it from asked me, want to hit a few just to make sure the shaft is right and everything before you walk out the door?  I said sure!  Got on the trackman and started ripping away, the original fitting I did with the 913d3, was launching 12-13 with 2150-2300 spin with the stock phenom in a 9.5 head.  So starting hitting balls and was hitting it a little further left than was before, launch was the same but spinning over 3000.  Went thru a few shafts and all about the same.  After done went to the front and thinking, "is this the right move?  trackman numbers don't lie!", then realized they had given me a D2 head not the D3, so went back and started hitting D3 on trackman and numbers were in same ball park as first fitting.  The D2 felt great and hot, but it spun considerably more than the D3 for me.

913D2 9.5 w/ Phenom 70 & D+72
BS: 161.7
Launch: 11.7
Smash: 1.49
Spin: 3030

913D3 9.5 w/ Phenom 70 & D+72
BS: 161.9
Launch: 12.3
Smash:1.49
Spin: 2240

Been a great 3 weeks of having this driver and look forward to playing it for awhile.

That is a substantial difference in spin... Where the Sure Fit settings the same on each head? Our experiences were different ends of the spectrum and it goes to show how important it is to get properly fit and hit everything before just deciding to buy. I found that the D3 spun about 150-250 RPMS less on average.


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Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:12 PM

I didn't do any testing with computer equipment. I just hit them on the range for about a half hour with a few different shafts that come on the fitting cart against my driver. I am a 2 hcp with a 104mph ss. I hit a fade. I tell you, they were both closely similar in performance overall, But I did favor the D3. But they didn't go any further than what I curently play, Nike Ignite 410 with a Diamana 63s Blueboard. I want a new driver, but the old seems to fit my swing. I will wait for the new others and go from there. Not saying I didn't like the Titleist, just saying that I can't justify the 4 bills verses what I currently own.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:17 PM

I think the two 913's feel totally different, when comparing the 910D3 to the 913D3 I would say the new face insert has a firmer feel. My early testing shows the 913 has better numbers across the board but I actually prefer the 910 feel and sound. Keeping in mind this could easily be a shaft thing...BB

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

 Big Ben, on 06 December 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

I think the two 913's feel totally different, when comparing the 910D3 to the 913D3 I would say the new face insert has a firmer feel. My early testing shows the 913 has better numbers across the board but I actually prefer the 910 feel and sound. Keeping in mind this could easily be a shaft thing...BB


Probably not. The 913 is definately louder and more tinny.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:05 PM

913 D3 is more forgiving with few extra  yards .
So 910 d3 has better feedback on mishits than 913 D3..
Bought a 910D3 from PGA apprentice , for better sound and feedback , does not matter if I loose few yards ...

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:37 PM

In my opinion ...I have the 913 D3.....the proof is in the pudding! Launch monitors and Trackman and all that stuff is all well to figure out what numbers are. You have to try and take them for a run on various courses, grass, conditions, shafts etc... Honestly I get fit for irons but when it comes to a shaft and drivers I let that to the proof on the range or courses I am playing. I know some would completely disagree but to be real....most are not pros. Now I am going to school for golf and inspiring to play on a tour level of some kind. Maybe then I would spend a lot more time using these services. People have seen good results on the monitor and numbers and vice versa on the course! If your not playing for money it's not worth the money Titleist wants for a true fitting at a fitting center if your not a competition player! If you know your game and the way you hit the ball and have knowledge and research certain shafts to fit your game, you can get pretty good results with that being said! Just imo, doesn't mean I am right but to me if you can trial run a demo club or a range session with different shafts and adjustments and the D2 vs D3, that is good enough to let you know where you really stand as a normal golfer. Buy yourself a Bushnell V2 rangefinder and I bet you improve your game more then you do getting a hundred dollar fitting for a driver and then having people push 300 to 400 and up dollar shafts on you that give you slightly better numbers! D3 no draw bias and more traditional shape at 445cc vs D2 with different center of gravity placement to promote a slight draw bias with a more pear shape 460cc head! Good Luck!


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