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[chunkyboy79]

so im at my local course with my friend and tee up on a 180 yard par three and hook the ball right into tree's on the left ball gone. so i proceed to take a three off the tee and that ball fly's beautifully towards the green. there are some trees blocking the view so we dont see it drop but when we get down there ..there she is sitting pretty in the cup. my first ever hole in one after playing for 3months, (pure luck i guess but i'll take it). my problem is my mate reckons i shouldnt count it as a hole in one as it was my provisional ball. obviously a three went down on the scorecard but i still tell people (as often as i can) that i had a hio. should i count it as one?

[paulshack]

great par save m8

Edited by paulshack, 30 September 2012 - 08:45 AM.

[RRFireblade]

Any time you have to ask , the answer is no.

[lbj273]

Its a par, a great par sure, but a par nonetheless. Save telling people you got a hole in one till you actually get one

[chunkyboy79]

suppose ill have to keep at it then.

[BrianL99]

chunkyboy79, on 30 September 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

so im at my local course with my friend and tee up on a 180 yard par three and hook the ball right into tree's on the left ball gone. so i proceed to take a three off the tee and that ball fly's beautifully towards the green. there are some trees blocking the view so we dont see it drop but when we get down there ..there she is sitting pretty in the cup. my first ever hole in one after playing for 3months, (pure luck i guess but i'll take it). my problem is my mate reckons i shouldnt count it as a hole in one as it was my provisional ball. obviously a three went down on the scorecard but i still tell people (as often as i can) that i had a hio. should i count it as one?

I disagree.

A "hole in one" is by definition, a shot that goes into the hole from the Tee:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hole_in_one

It's surely not an "Ace" and clearly not an "Eagle".   Your score on the hole was "3", but you made a hole in one.

There really is no such thing as an "official hole in one", other than some arbitrary standard that's been made up by some association or group ... the Rules of Golf make no mention of it.

[larrybud]

Brian, I have to disagree.  It's a "hole from the tee", and it's certainly a "hole out" but by words alone "hole in ONE" means ONE shot.   There's no other definition of what "one" means.  The OP was hitting three.

[BrianL99]

larrybud, on 30 September 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Brian, I have to disagree.  It's a "hole from the tee", and it's certainly a "hole out" but by words alone "hole in ONE" means ONE shot.   There's no other definition of what "one" means.  The OP was hitting three.

A semantic disagreement & not relevant in the world ... the guy's new to golf, give him his moment of glory

[Nessism]

Not a hole in one.  A great shot none the less though.

[Sonny217]

BrianL99, on 30 September 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

chunkyboy79, on 30 September 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

so im at my local course with my friend and tee up on a 180 yard par three and hook the ball right into tree's on the left ball gone. so i proceed to take a three off the tee and that ball fly's beautifully towards the green. there are some trees blocking the view so we dont see it drop but when we get down there ..there she is sitting pretty in the cup. my first ever hole in one after playing for 3months, (pure luck i guess but i'll take it). my problem is my mate reckons i shouldnt count it as a hole in one as it was my provisional ball. obviously a three went down on the scorecard but i still tell people (as often as i can) that i had a hio. should i count it as one?

I disagree.

A "hole in one" is by definition, a shot that goes into the hole from the Tee:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hole_in_one

It's surely not an "Ace" and clearly not an "Eagle".   Your score on the hole was "3", but you made a hole in one.

There really is no such thing as an "official hole in one", other than some arbitrary standard that's been made up by some association or group ... the Rules of Golf make no mention of it.

Sounds good. Next round I'll take 1000 balls and hit until one goes in. Then I can brag to everyone about my sweet golf skills. If anyone challenges the authenticity of my hole in one, I can just point them to Wikipedia.


Sorry, it's not a hole in one.

[inthefairway]

Not a hole in one unless everyone looks the other way!!!!

[HAWKEYE77]

BrianL99, on 30 September 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

chunkyboy79, on 30 September 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

so im at my local course with my friend and tee up on a 180 yard par three and hook the ball right into tree's on the left ball gone. so i proceed to take a three off the tee and that ball fly's beautifully towards the green. there are some trees blocking the view so we dont see it drop but when we get down there ..there she is sitting pretty in the cup. my first ever hole in one after playing for 3months, (pure luck i guess but i'll take it). my problem is my mate reckons i shouldnt count it as a hole in one as it was my provisional ball. obviously a three went down on the scorecard but i still tell people (as often as i can) that i had a hio. should i count it as one?

I disagree.

A "hole in one" is by definition, a shot that goes into the hole from the Tee:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hole_in_one

It's surely not an "Ace" and clearly not an "Eagle".   Your score on the hole was "3", but you made a hole in one.

There really is no such thing as an "official hole in one", other than some arbitrary standard that's been made up by some association or group ... the Rules of Golf make no mention of it.

Wiki?

Obviously, wrong-ee.

Hole in one means it goes on your scorecard as 1.

[jwrogers]

BrianL99, on 30 September 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

chunkyboy79, on 30 September 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

so im at my local course with my friend and tee up on a 180 yard par three and hook the ball right into tree's on the left ball gone. so i proceed to take a three off the tee and that ball fly's beautifully towards the green. there are some trees blocking the view so we dont see it drop but when we get down there ..there she is sitting pretty in the cup. my first ever hole in one after playing for 3months, (pure luck i guess but i'll take it). my problem is my mate reckons i shouldnt count it as a hole in one as it was my provisional ball. obviously a three went down on the scorecard but i still tell people (as often as i can) that i had a hio. should i count it as one?

I disagree.

A "hole in one" is by definition, a shot that goes into the hole from the Tee:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hole_in_one

It's surely not an "Ace" and clearly not an "Eagle".   Your score on the hole was "3", but you made a hole in one.

There really is no such thing as an "official hole in one", other than some arbitrary standard that's been made up by some association or group ... the Rules of Golf make no mention of it.

No way.   I don't even understand how the question gets asked.   While you are writing down "3" on the card, it should be intuitively obvious you didn't make a 1.

[Sawgrass]

I want to know what a Tourament organizer, who offers a new car as a prize for a hole in one, will have to say about this profound question.

[BrianL99]

chunkyboy79, on 30 September 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

so im at my local course with my friend and tee up on a 180 yard par three and hook the ball right into tree's on the left ball gone. so i proceed to take a three off the tee and that ball fly's beautifully towards the green. there are some trees blocking the view so we dont see it drop but when we get down there ..there she is sitting pretty in the cup. my first ever hole in one after playing for 3months, (pure luck i guess but i'll take it). my problem is my mate reckons i shouldnt count it as a hole in one as it was my provisional ball. obviously a three went down on the scorecard but i still tell people (as often as i can) that i had a hio. should i count it as one?

The first (6) sources on a Google search of the Internet, agree with me.

You can chose to agree with whoever you want, including the experts on WRX.

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[lander215]

Actually they don't. Look again very first one says no intervening shots.

Stop trying so hard to be stupid on this.

[Matty T]

just tell people you holed out from 180yds for a par

[Long Shot]

Great Par though.

[BrianL99]

lander215, on 30 September 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Actually they don't. Look again very first one says no intervening shots.

Stop trying so hard to be stupid on this.

You perhaps should look up the meaning of the word "intervening".

[lander215]

Without even looking I'm confident his first shot into the trees would fit the definition.

You're just arguing without merit. If you come up with new evidence I may respond to you again. Otherwise bye-bye.


OP - as others have said, great recovery for par. Keep playing for that first hole in one.

[puttingmatt]

Its a hole out, for three !! Nice par !!
I am guessing you could not find your
first ball, and returned to the tee ?

[2bGood]

not a hole in one, nice shot though.

[LULynx'er]

Always a good feeling to hole out from 180!

[Guia]

Great par.  Freddie did the same thing at the TPC water hole a few years back.

For a previous poster:  a hole in one, means in the first stroke (that would be 1 stroke) on the hole
from the teeing ground.  Check your rules.  I have 7 holes in one, but have never holed out for a par on a par 3 from the tee.  Great recovery.

Edited by Guia, 30 September 2012 - 10:43 PM.

[BrianL99]

Guia, on 30 September 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Great par.  Freddie did the same thing at the TPC water hole a few years back.

For a previous poster:  a hole in one, means in the first stroke (that would be 1 stroke) on the hole
from the teeing ground.  Check your rules.  I have 7 holes in one, but have never holed out for a par on a par 3 from the tee.  Great recovery.

Show me the "rule", I'll send you $100.

[AndrewZA]

Nice hole out but no to the hole-in-one.  If you don't write "1" on the scorecard it isn't a hole-in-one.  Knowing my luck, the first time I manage to hole out off the tee will be have been immediately preceded by sending the previous ball OB ;-)

[lander215]

BrianL99, on 01 October 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

Guia, on 30 September 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Great par.  Freddie did the same thing at the TPC water hole a few years back.

For a previous poster:  a hole in one, means in the first stroke (that would be 1 stroke) on the hole
from the teeing ground.  Check your rules.  I have 7 holes in one, but have never holed out for a par on a par 3 from the tee.  Great recovery.

Show me the "rule", I'll send you $100.

From the USGA, Definitions:

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stroke’’ is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he has not made a stroke.

Therefore, his first stroke went into the woods, and his second stroke went into the hole. Add on the penalty, and the OP has his 3. Since a score is a count of all strokes and penalties, and you need a score of one to have made a hole-in-one, that's the rule that would be applied.

I won't bother sending you my address, as I know you won't pay up.

Edited by lander215, 01 October 2012 - 07:54 AM.

[Veng]

His point (right or wrong) is the definition from all of his sources, say nothing about it having to be the FIRST stroke from the tee.  Only that it is A shot from the tee into the hole in one stroke.  That is, a hole in one is a hole out from the tee box, while an ace is a hole in which a single stroke is played.

[lander215]

Veng, on 01 October 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

His point (right or wrong) is the definition from all of his sources, say nothing about it having to be the FIRST stroke from the tee.  Only that it is A shot from the tee into the hole in one stroke.  That is, a hole in one is a hole out from the tee box, while an ace is a hole in which a single stroke is played.

No they don't, my post #16 refutes his references because his very first one says "no intervening shots".

[Veng]

lander215, on 01 October 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

Veng, on 01 October 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

His point (right or wrong) is the definition from all of his sources, say nothing about it having to be the FIRST stroke from the tee.  Only that it is A shot from the tee into the hole in one stroke.  That is, a hole in one is a hole out from the tee box, while an ace is a hole in which a single stroke is played.

No they don't, my post #16 refutes his references because his very first one says "no intervening shots".

From the tee, does not mean "the first ball hit off the tee", it simply means a ball hit from the teeing area.  See the below decision, which is one of many to use the term this way to define second balls, and provisional balls as being from the tee.

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27-2a/2
Q.A player's tee shot might be in a water hazard, but clearly it is not lost outside a water hazard or out of bounds. The player announces that, since his ball might be in the hazard, he is going to play a provisional ball and he does so. Rule 27-2a seems to prohibit a provisional ball in the circumstances. What is the ruling?

A.The player did not play a provisional ball which, according to the Definition of "Provisional Ball," is a ball played under Rule 27-2 for a ball which may be lost outside a water hazard or may be out of bounds. The second ball from the tee was in play since it was not a provisional ball.

If you'd like to argue his definition, you can, but under the definition above, the second shot is a HIO, but not an ace.