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Do ya'll think all these people claiming to be 0-2 handicaps are honest?


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Poll: Do ya'll think all these people claiming to be 0-2 handicaps are honest? (131 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you believe it?

  1. Yes, I believe that most GolfWRX members are as low as they claim to be (61 votes [46.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.56%

  2. No, I believe they are not truthfully representing their handicaps (70 votes [53.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.44%

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#31 hebron1427

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:32 PM

View PostBuckeyePaul01, on 01 October 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

I've played to a 0.0 HC index with an average score of 77!!  Your HC has a lot to do with where you play and the CR................is the course rating from the tees you play 69.1 or 75.1?
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Just saying..................I've never cracked below the 0.0 mark in spite of having 3 revisions during the year exactly at 0.0!!!  LOL...a crazy coincidence!  oh well......0.0 stands as my PB.
On my home course.......a 0.4 Index= 0 course HC from the tips.  "Shooting Par"  is not relevant........it depends on the course rating. If you can average 77 from tees rated 75, a scratch HC is in your near future.  

The scratch golfers I question are those who have only 10-15 rounds posted for the year.......How can they be scratch if they only play 10-15 times a year?   (not realistic)  On the other hand, I remember a young AM making the cut and finishing high at Olympic club...........and he barely posted any rounds either, so this could be a double edged sword!!!!!  Just because they don't post doesn't necessarily mean they are Vanity.

what i also find interesting is that every round on your GHIN is at the same course. i've typically  found that i can play my home course like a semi-pro, but i have a lot of trouble playing a new course for the first time. of course, that's a general rule, as some courses i've flat out owned the first time, but don't shoot so well once i know what's out there to get in trouble with.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:48 PM

The thing that pisses me off is seeing 3 handicaps tournament scores of 5 and 6 under par re: club champion from Papago out here, shot a 67-68 playing off a 3 on a 7400 yard course with a rating/slope of 75.0/130

What are the odds of that s***?

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:26 AM

I view my handicap as nothing more than a tracking tool for scores and a means to get into USGA events.  My handicap is +1.4 but my scoring average is 72.7 over the course of my rounds this year.  I look at 72.7 as how well I'm playing not the +1.4.  If I have 10 scores that are good and 10 that suck my handicap is still going to be low.  That doesn't help me over a 54 hole event where I need three rounds of par or better to win.  A handicap makes you "feel good" about yourself because it's often better than you can actually shoot on a daily basis but anybody who has realistic expectations about being a scratch player has to look at their total scoring average and tournament round scores.

All the events I play in and take seriously don't consider handicaps anyway.  You need a certian number to get into the field but no strokes are given and thats the way it should be in my book.  If I play in an event with 60 players entered and the handicaps range from +3.5 to 3.5 I don't want to give strokes to the 3.5 and I don't want strokes from the +3.5.  If you enter a championship event just tee your ball up and play.  I don't play in events with handicaps unless I have to.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:10 AM

View Postfore_life, on 01 October 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

The thing that pisses me off is seeing 3 handicaps tournament scores of 5 and 6 under par re: club champion from Papago out here, shot a 67-68 playing off a 3 on a 7400 yard course with a rating/slope of 75.0/130

What are the odds of that s***?

THAT sounds like sandbagging.

Hell, in a team event yesterday, there was a "12" who apparently shot a 73 with his own ball.  WTF mang!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

i think there are way more ppl who tout lower handicaps just to sound impressive. played with a guy this past wkend who claims he usually shoots in the "high 70s" but couldn't even manage par for most of the holes. not saying he was bad as he's much better than i am, but just think a lot of ppl misrepresent their true skill level.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:40 PM

I believe most everyone on here. This is a niche site. Of the 150-200 golfers I've played with over the past 1-2 years ranging in handicaps from a +5 to a 20 I only know about 5-10 of them that come on here and none of them are over a 2 handicap. Most of the people that are tinkerers or club ho's are better golfers.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:03 PM

View Postshootermcgavin2, on 04 October 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

i think there are way more ppl who tout lower handicaps just to sound impressive. played with a guy this past wkend who claims he usually shoots in the "high 70s" but couldn't even manage par for most of the holes. not saying he was bad as he's much better than i am, but just think a lot of ppl misrepresent their true skill level.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:06 PM

View PostGolfjunki71, on 07 October 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

View Postshootermcgavin2, on 04 October 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

i think there are way more ppl who tout lower handicaps just to sound impressive. played with a guy this past wkend who claims he usually shoots in the "high 70s" but couldn't even manage par for most of the holes. not saying he was bad as he's much better than i am, but just think a lot of ppl misrepresent their true skill level.


I've done that, it happens

+1, you just never know.

I'm working on my swing a bit and shot 85ish the other day. I was playing with a guy who was like 3 handicap himself ( i am lower) and the whole time i'm thinking to myself "if he's on golfwrx, i'm going to get home and see a thread about this guy who lied about his handicap"
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:44 AM

View PostShwagin1066, on 28 September 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

View Postpoizster, on 28 September 2012 - 02:12 AM, said:

View PostTheKid718, on 26 September 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

The best to some (and worst to others) part about golf is that it is a game of integrity within yourself. To claim that you are a zero when you shot over par consistently, you're lying not only to everyone, but yourself. Worse case especially when you claim to be a zero, someone wants to golf with you and they see just what a "zero" you are. Happened a lot at our club. Be truthful, to yourself, and save the embarrassment for later! Haha. With that being said, I do play to a zero handicap. Believe me or not, I'll see you on the course for proof.

0's shoot over par way more then they shoot under. I think you might want to look up how a handicap is calculated.

Exactly right, especially if you play all or the majority at your rounds at difficult course. When I first got down to 0 I was shooting 72-77 on average at a tough course I played almost all of my round at for a few summers. Rating is 75.3 slope 145.

So yes, a 0.0 index golfer if playing anything but a pitch and putt is shooting over par way more than under.

Actually it would be almost exclusively over par.  On a course rated 74, a 0.0 index would  likely shoot par or better once every 40 rounds.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:24 PM

I agree with what everyone is saying about the general population not understanding how an index is calculated.

right now my handicap index is sitting right on 0.0 but I have only broken par maybe 5 or 6 times out of the 20+ rounds I have played this year. The times I broke par I was playing municipal courses with easy conditions.

When people ask what my handicap is (usually strangers on the first tee) I have started saying "around 5". When I say zero, they automatically assume that I am going to shoot even par (I'd be thrilled to do that), and when I shoot +3 to +5 (my norm), I don't get an earful about it.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:03 PM

Answering the original question...I believe what people say they are.  I don't really care enough to spend even one second trying to decide if I should believe them or not! LOL

I also agree with most on this thread in regards to handicaps/scoring averages.  My current handicap is a 2.0, I've been both lower and higher in the past.  My scoring average for 2012 is 77.32.  So far I have exactly the same number of rounds in the 80's as I do under 75.   People tend to think that if you're scratch you shoot 72 every time out, which as most of us know is far from the truth.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:34 PM

I don't actually know my handicap, but I only play once a month. (Back issues)
I am normally low 80's, sometimes a mid to high 70's. but mostly low 80's...sometimes when my lower back goes, everything goes right off the tee. The round is over pretty much for me at that point, though I always tough it out.

Course doesn't matter so much really, except the narrow off the tee, always tree lined fairways that show no mercy to a sloppy off the tee golfer. If my tee shot is happening, I generally have no issues besides not making any putts and few GIRs, but yeah, otherwise, I am awesome.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:58 AM

I think the handicap systems are very misleading. I use the EGA system, which increases my handicap by 0.1 every round of 34 stableford points or less, and increases by 0.1 for every stroke under my course par.
Starting from a handicap of 4.5 after a holiday in Norway, my scores have been: 76,92,82,78,79,80,84. Averaging out to around 81.6. All these rounds are tournaments, so there are adjustments to the reduction zone depending on the course difficulty that specific day. The two red numbers are reductions. The bold black numbers are handicap increases. The paradox is that I shot an 80 two weeks ago, the day after shooting a 79. The 79 increased by handicap by 0.1, while the 80 didn't because the course "played" two strokes harder than the previous day.
My 78, a -1 round on my handicap (a different, tougher course this time), brought me down by 0.3 because the course played two strokes harder.

My EGA handicap is 4.3, while my Golfshot USGA one is 4. I don't understand how that can be possible, but I'm supposedly a much better player than my scores show.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:43 PM

Personally I see no reason to doubt them. I have however played with a few local guys who brag about being scratch (I'm a 19.9 currently) and I go play a round with them on a modest course hoping for pointers or tips on things and they end the round 2-3 strokes better than me.

I figure if you are dedicated to the sport enough to talk about it on a forum fairly often, you probably score fairly honest. Gimmie putts etc irritate me from so called low cappers I've played with. I'd be a 12 if I gimmie'd everything within 18 inches hahaha.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:44 PM

I'm a 1.8 right now with an average score of 80.1. Part of it is that my home course is 75.6/147.  The other is that I am incredibly inconsistent because of lack of play (or maybe skill) -  scores between 69 and 87.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:16 PM

That's weird, my scoring average is 80.7 and I'm an 8.0
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:17 AM

View PostMulligan26, on 17 October 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

That's weird, my scoring average is 80.7 and I'm an 8.0
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what's the rating of the course you play most often?

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:34 AM

72.1/126 I also have a lot of scores from a course with a 70.5/125 course... So in assuming since your scoring average is 80.1 yet you're a 1.8 that you play more difficult courses?

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:56 AM

View PostMulligan26, on 18 October 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

72.1/126 I also have a lot of scores from a course with a 70.5/125 course... So in assuming since your scoring average is 80.1 yet you're a 1.8 that you play more difficult courses?

the math is D=(score - course_rating) *113 / slope.

if you shoot 80 on a course rated 70.5/125, your differential is 9.5 * 113/125 = 8.588. If you shoot 80 on a course rated 75/145, the differential is 5 * 113/ 145 = 3.899. Do you not see how that makes a difference?

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 05:09 PM

Gotcha... No need to be condescending man. I didn't know the math behind it


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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:12 PM

I think the handicap system is kind of strange and doesn't  nessisarily show a true representation of someone's game.

For instance, let's say someone is a good player, doesn't really get into tons of trouble and knows how to manage their game to avoid trouble and big scores, yet doesn't ever really go crazy low.   This is kind of like my game, in that I play some courses with ratings around 76, and others with 70-71, yet tend to put up pretty much the same scores at both tracks.

So say I average 74 at each track, if I played exclusively at the 70 rating, I'd be arou a 3 or 4, if at the harder course with the same average, around +1 or +2.  Know what I'm saying?  Depends on the golfer, some might shoot considerably lower on a lower rating, and higher on a tougher track, some shoot the same no matter where they play. Agree or disagree?
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

View PostMulligan26, on 18 October 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Gotcha... No need to be condescending man. I didn't know the math behind it

sorry if it sounded condescending when read. the internet is a bad place to convey tone.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:03 PM

View Postfore_life, on 19 October 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

I think the handicap system is kind of strange and doesn't  nessisarily show a true representation of someone's game.

For instance, let's say someone is a good player, doesn't really get into tons of trouble and knows how to manage their game to avoid trouble and big scores, yet doesn't ever really go crazy low.   This is kind of like my game, in that I play some courses with ratings around 76, and others with 70-71, yet tend to put up pretty much the same scores at both tracks.

So say I average 74 at each track, if I played exclusively at the 70 rating, I'd be arou a 3 or 4, if at the harder course with the same average, around +1 or +2.  Know what I'm saying?  Depends on the golfer, some might shoot considerably lower on a lower rating, and higher on a tougher track, some shoot the same no matter where they play. Agree or disagree?

fully agree. if player A shoots 80 every time, his scoring average is 80. if player B shoots 70 half the time and 90 half the time, his scoring average is still 80.

however, on a 72-rated course, player A's handicap is probably about 8 and player B's is probably +1.

i.e., this week, i shot 90 playing a course rated 76 (an annual tour stop) and then shot 73 on a course rated 71.4.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 03:15 PM

The best question to ask if making bets is:
"How have your last five rounds been."

That will give you the best idea of how they are currently playing to make games fair.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 12:10 AM

Of course.  I've never known anyone to not be truthful when it comes to golf.  Just because they got a par on a hole that they took two mulligans, at least that many redo shots, as many putts from the same spot until they make it, and spent most of their time in the trees, is no cause to question them.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:39 AM

I believe them about as much as I believe the 80%+ people here that regularly drive 350+ and hit their 3 woods 300.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

I said I don't believe it... but there again I'm from the UK and scratch-2 hcap is a way rarer here because of the handicap system not being based on averages... you could have the year of your life and shoot par at 20 times in a row in competitions at Carnoustie and still only come down from 5 to 3..... CONGU is a harsh system in category 1.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:51 AM

People ask, I tell them I'm "about a 10-14" When we're in the clubhouse and they are buying me my after round drink I tell "I was having a good day".

Kidding aside, I would never do that if any serious money was involved.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:37 PM

View PostSamW, on 23 October 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

I said I don't believe it... but there again I'm from the UK and scratch-2 hcap is a way rarer here because of the handicap system not being based on averages... you could have the year of your life and shoot par at 20 times in a row in competitions at Carnoustie and still only come down from 5 to 3..... CONGU is a harsh system in category 1.

Is this actually a fact or an exaggeration?  If this is really the case then your system is more messed up than the one here and that's saying something!

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:39 PM

I dont know a lot about the handicap system, but i'll try and explain;
The system we used in Ireland and the UK is very different to the USA version, here your handicap changes by +/-0.1 depending on how you play.  If you shoot lower than SSS (standard scratch score, same as US course rating) you get 0.1 taken off your handicap and if you shoot over you get 0.1 added to you handicap.
There is much more too it that just that, but this is just a rough explanation.  You can also get a large cut if you win or shoot very low in competitions,

As the example above you need to shoot 10 under par rounds to have your handicap cut by a full 1.0.  This is why people say it's much harder to have a lower handicap here than it is in the US.  I was told a scratch golfer in the US would probably be about 4/5 over here.  Not sure if thats true or not.

Edited by Senna, 04 November 2012 - 02:42 PM.


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