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[Imp]

Sawgrass, on 18 December 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

Imp, on 18 December 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

kevcarter, on 18 December 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Imp, on 18 December 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

You can still walk and talk. It's the hanging on the tee box talking about stuff with an open fairway that pisses me off. If I'm with a group that just wants to do that, I'll walk up to the tee and hit, honors or not.

One nice thing about one of the leagues I'm in.. I spend more time in the club house after the 9 holes (usually) than on the course. Good food and pitchers of beer.


--kC

That's why I play golf too. Gotta get off the course as quickly as possible so I can enjoy the clubhouse. I hate it when I have to wait behind somebody to get a beer though... :-)

The high class joint that this club is, they have pitchers.

--kC

Blue plastic cups, too?  Is this a good time to ask about that?

They have glass. And about the blue solo cup, I'm sick and tired of red being the socially accepted color, heck even a damn song about it. It's about time that the other colors get their recognition.

--kC
(Do a scroll down the page finding posts... what sticks out more?)

Edited by Imp, 18 December 2012 - 08:21 AM.

[Hateto3Putt]

Sawgrass, on 18 December 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Hmmm . . . a very funny way to begin the debate over whether drinking is a social game or a race.

I hear there's a two hole league out there (play the first, then the ninth) that keeps the golf to a manageable level.

I know those guys!

It's funny how that works.

My league does have it's members who's sole purpose is to get back to the clubhouse ASAP.  They buy a 6-pack when they get there, quaff it down on the league side of the course, then sit inside until they're lubed up enough to go home.

We also have a bunch of members who get there early enough to play the "other 9", play the league 9, post scores, then regroup and have a cash shootout 'til dark. Some days we've clocked 40+ holes. We figure that the bars are always open, but the golf courses and schedules are not. Nobody messes with my Thursdays in the summer!

[Sawgrass]

Imp, on 18 December 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

And about the blue solo cup, I'm sick and tired of red being the socially accepted color, heck even a damn song about it. It's about time that the other colors get their recognition.

--kC
(Do a scroll down the page finding posts... what sticks out more?)

I'm relieved to hear this color issue isn't a "democrats vs. republicans" thing, because the Rules Forum is a place to discuss drinking, not politics.

[SOONERMAGIC]

You would have thought we were on a running forum reading all the time trial analysis here.

Its golf folks, enjoy yourselves, if you need to play sub 3hr rounds to enjoy yourself its probably time to find another hobby.

[myspinonit]

Hateto3Putt, on 18 December 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Sawgrass, on 18 December 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Hmmm . . . a very funny way to begin the debate over whether drinking is a social game or a race.

I hear there's a two hole league out there (play the first, then the ninth) that keeps the golf to a manageable level.

I know those guys!

It's funny how that works.

My league does have it's members who's sole purpose is to get back to the clubhouse ASAP.  They buy a 6-pack when they get there, quaff it down on the league side of the course, then sit inside until they're lubed up enough to go home.

We also have a bunch of members who get there early enough to play the "other 9", play the league 9, post scores, then regroup and have a cash shootout 'til dark. Some days we've clocked 40+ holes. We figure that the bars are always open, but the golf courses and schedules are not. Nobody messes with my Thursdays in the summer!

Guy retires after 30 years working for the same company. At the retirement bash one of his colleagues asks if he's going to get his wife to take up golf too now he's retired.
"Heck no".
" Why not?"
" 'Cause for twenty-five years I've been telling her that it takes twelve hours to play."

[Imp]

Hateto3putt... Yeah. Some of us early guys will go out back nine... And then front 9 again before going in. depends on time and light.

[Deceptively Short]

All this talk of five hour rounds sounds really scary to someone on this side of the pond. We target  three hours forty five minutes for a three ball in a medal competition and this is mostly stuck to or bettered.
The Bristol and District League here in the UK has seven or eight divisions of six teams playing scratch foursomes (alternate shot) matchplay with five teams of two playing five teams of two from the opposing club. We play from April to August mostly on weekday evenings, matches start at 5.30. As it gets dark from between 8.45 and 9.30 and the fact that the last of the five matches tees off at around 6.00, if we didn't play at a reasonable pace there is no way all five flights could get 18 holes in. As it is I can never remember light being a problem as we are used to playing, an albeit fast form of the game, quickly.
Four hours on courses of between 6300 and 6600 yards (walking, no carts) is considered a very long time and 3.30 is the norm.
Golf is three and a bit hours of walking and playing - any longer is a spectator sport i.e. watching others play golf.

[Dire Wolf]

SOONERMAGIC, on 18 December 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

You would have thought we were on a running forum reading all the time trial analysis here.

Its golf folks, enjoy yourselves, if you need to play sub 3hr rounds to enjoy yourself its probably time to find another hobby.

Nevermind that the Rules of Golf and USGA address pace of play and "slow play" as well as the "spirit of the game" in considering other players.  (bold italics added)

http://www.usga.org/...Golf/Etiquette/


Pace of Play

Play at Good Pace and Keep Up

Players should play at a good pace. The Committee may establish pace of play guidelines that all players should follow.
It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group. Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through.
Be Ready to Play

Players should be ready to play as soon as it is their turn to play. When playing on or near the putting green, they should leave their bags or carts in such a position as will enable quick movement off the green and towards the next tee. When the play of a hole has been completed, players should immediately leave the putting green.



So if your idea of "enjoy yourself" is a breach of this golf etiquette, who needs to leave the game?

[MileHighClub]

Dire Wolf, on 20 December 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

SOONERMAGIC, on 18 December 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

You would have thought we were on a running forum reading all the time trial analysis here.

Its golf folks, enjoy yourselves, if you need to play sub 3hr rounds to enjoy yourself its probably time to find another hobby.

Nevermind that the Rules of Golf and USGA address pace of play and "slow play" as well as the "spirit of the game" in considering other players.  (bold italics added)

http://www.usga.org/...Golf/Etiquette/


    Pace of Play

    Play at Good Pace and Keep Up

Players should play at a good pace. The Committee may establish pace of play guidelines that all players should follow.
It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group. Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through.
    Be Ready to Play

Players should be ready to play as soon as it is their turn to play. When playing on or near the putting green, they should leave their bags or carts in such a position as will enable quick movement off the green and towards the next tee. When the play of a hole has been completed, players should immediately leave the putting green.



So if your idea of "enjoy yourself" is a breach of this golf etiquette, who needs to leave the game?

Well done.  If your post converts even just one slow player then it was so worth it.

[thomcad]

Most of the posters here remind me of my close minded, she-devil behind the wheel, b**** of a wife who is apparently the only driver in the whole US of A that knows exactly how fast a car should be traveling on any given road.  Anybody going faster than her is a maniac about to kill innocent children chasing a ball into the street, and anybody going slower is creating dangerous logjams that cause accidents.

Continuing with my driving analogy, my Dad taught me early on that Nascar and Indy car racing were the safest form of driving because everybody was going at the same speed and in the same direction.

If I were going to Scotland, and God willing I hope to, I would adjust my normal pace of play to accomodate their famously fast pace of play.

When I play here in the Colonies, where the 6 hour round was invented, I temper my expectations and smell the roses.

If I find myself rushed by a group of Meth Head Hawaiians, or delayed by a group of deliberate disciples of the pre-shot routine, I mention my discomfort at the pace of play.  If they fail to adjust willingly to my suggestion, I adjust to them.
Nobody is going to force me to enjoy my round less just because I have to play a little bit quicker or slower than usual.

Just my two cents.

Thom

[ABgolfer2]

If people choose clubs and courses that are consistent with their skill level it's easy to play quickly and have social interaction.

[cardia10]

I think Americans watch too much golf on tv and try to re create what the pro's do. 5 hr's is unacceptable to anyone not playing for 1,000,000 per tournament. I don't see how someone can sit for 10min between each shot and not be bored out of their minds. I think your fate is pretty much predetermined. If you've never broken 90, an extra 90 seconds staring down a 3 footer probably isn't going to make a difference. I really enjoy the courses that enforce a good pace of play and ask you to skip holes if you fall behind. Everyone is allowed a slow hole or two, we all lose balls, but to slow up a whole course is ridiculous. A large portion of golfers should spend a few months on the driving range before every trying real golf. I say go the St Andrews system. Different courses for different handicaps. No point in running new players away from the game because it is too difficult (USGA).

[SOONERMAGIC]

MileHighClub, on 20 December 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

Dire Wolf, on 20 December 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

SOONERMAGIC, on 18 December 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

You would have thought we were on a running forum reading all the time trial analysis here.

Its golf folks, enjoy yourselves, if you need to play sub 3hr rounds to enjoy yourself its probably time to find another hobby.

Nevermind that the Rules of Golf and USGA address pace of play and "slow play" as well as the "spirit of the game" in considering other players.  (bold italics added)

http://www.usga.org/...Golf/Etiquette/


Pace of Play

Play at Good Pace and Keep Up

Players should play at a good pace. The Committee may establish pace of play guidelines that all players should follow.
It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group. Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through.
Be Ready to Play

Players should be ready to play as soon as it is their turn to play. When playing on or near the putting green, they should leave their bags or carts in such a position as will enable quick movement off the green and towards the next tee. When the play of a hole has been completed, players should immediately leave the putting green.



So if your idea of "enjoy yourself" is a breach of this golf etiquette, who needs to leave the game?

Well done.  If your post converts even just one slow player then it was so worth it.

I dont recall ever saying that a quicker group should not be able to play through.  So your post is irrelevant.  

I also play a lot of USGA quals/competitive golf.  Pace of play is something I am very familiar with.  If you hate playing long rounds wait until you are playing a 4:45hr Open Qualifier where everyone in your group takes their time with every shot (they have a 4:15 min guideline for most qualifiers).  They all count, some people are there for score, some for the fresh air.  If you are there for the fresh air, relax, I will wave you through or wait on the next hole.  If you want to stand in the fairway with your hands on your hips like a damn diva and b*tch and moan the whole time we are putting, you can bet your tail Ill make you wait just to watch you squirm.  However if you are polite, and pull to the green and ask to play through, or just sit tight and let us finish the hole without acting like an impatient 16yr old girl waiting on her boyfriend to text, you will be granted a very polite wave, and play though.  

While I am not saying your pace of play is right, nor mine, I am only saying that you should enjoy yourself and not be a tool in the fairway behind a slow group. I dont mind a group wanting to play though, just let me finish the hole without the melodrama.  If you cant handle yourself when a group ahead of you is playing slower than yourself, you should seek professional help.

disclaimer:  I am all for a quick round/hitting the course after work before sundown, but when I cant finish because of pace of play I dont let it ruin my round, I just leave after 9 and be grateful Im in the position to even pick up the stix and play the game.  Im sure there are plenty of people out there who would love to have complaints such as "its too slow out here on the golf course today".  You could work for Foxconn?



Fast Players Guide...


Just dont be one of these guys:
* Hand on the hips, constant comments guy....
* Guy who is in a hurry to shoot 104, pace of play might be contributing to your play
* Guy who acts like he understands pace of play when the course if packed and he wants to play through every group. You paid for the tee time when on a busy day, so deal with it.  (Its full, Im not letting you play through just so you can be a donkey to the next group)

[Big Ben]

myspinonit, on 18 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Hateto3Putt, on 18 December 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Sawgrass, on 18 December 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Hmmm . . . a very funny way to begin the debate over whether drinking is a social game or a race.

I hear there's a two hole league out there (play the first, then the ninth) that keeps the golf to a manageable level.

I know those guys!

It's funny how that works.

My league does have it's members who's sole purpose is to get back to the clubhouse ASAP.  They buy a 6-pack when they get there, quaff it down on the league side of the course, then sit inside until they're lubed up enough to go home.

We also have a bunch of members who get there early enough to play the "other 9", play the league 9, post scores, then regroup and have a cash shootout 'til dark. Some days we've clocked 40+ holes. We figure that the bars are always open, but the golf courses and schedules are not. Nobody messes with my Thursdays in the summer!

Guy retires after 30 years working for the same company. At the retirement bash one of his colleagues asks if he's going to get his wife to take up golf too now he's retired.
"Heck no".
" Why not?"
" 'Cause for twenty-five years I've been telling her that it takes twelve hours to play."

That's too funny! Had to read that one to the Mrs...BB

[Big Ben]

Dire Wolf, on 20 December 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

SOONERMAGIC, on 18 December 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

You would have thought we were on a running forum reading all the time trial analysis here.

Its golf folks, enjoy yourselves, if you need to play sub 3hr rounds to enjoy yourself its probably time to find another hobby.

Nevermind that the Rules of Golf and USGA address pace of play and "slow play" as well as the "spirit of the game" in considering other players.  (bold italics added)

http://www.usga.org/...Golf/Etiquette/


    Pace of Play

    Play at Good Pace and Keep Up

Players should play at a good pace. The Committee may establish pace of play guidelines that all players should follow.
It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group. Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through.
    Be Ready to Play

Players should be ready to play as soon as it is their turn to play. When playing on or near the putting green, they should leave their bags or carts in such a position as will enable quick movement off the green and towards the next tee. When the play of a hole has been completed, players should immediately leave the putting green.



So if your idea of "enjoy yourself" is a breach of this golf etiquette, who needs to leave the game?

This RULE OF GOLF should be posted at the front door of every pro shop on planet earth...BB