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Nike TW13 Black vs White and keeping them clean


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#1 RookieBlue7

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:24 PM

I haven't seen this discussed regarding these shoes yet, but being as I'm about to order a pair to try out, I'm wondering which color is easiest to keep clean?  Black or white?  I haven't even seen a pair of these in person, so I have no clue what the material they're made of is.  I know, traditionally, white shoes are a bear to keep clean, but being as my Eccos Streets are dingy and worn, I really want to buy white.  But, the Eccos are leather and they're pretty simple to keep clean (of course a year and a half later and god knows how many rounds later, they're starting to look like worn golf shoes).  How hard are the TW13's to keep clean and what is the material like on them?  Oh, and since I'm asking questions, how waterproof are they?

Edited by RookieBlue7, 06 September 2012 - 12:25 PM.


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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:44 PM

I have the white ones, and so far, they are extremely easy to keep clean, al least the uppers. They wipe down with a damp cloth and look as good as new. I wipe down the soles and hit em lightly with a magic eraser and they clean up really nicely. I'm in az so waterproof isn't a big issue, but we got dumped on mid round a few weeks ago and had zero water issues.

Looks wise, I think the white are better, goes with more stuff and the black ones look a little bland


Also, they are like a synthetic-ish upper, another good feature is that you don't get creases like you'd I with leather, which makes leather shoes look more worn IMO.

I think you'll love them man, they aren't favorite golf shoes. I've mentionedin other posts that I a bit of a shoe  ho with 9 pairs of golf spikes, and I literally haven't worny other pairs since I it the 13's

Edited by fore_life, 06 September 2012 - 12:47 PM.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 01:16 PM

I've got 22 pair of golf shoes, so I'm a shoe ho too.  LOL.  I've got a chance to pick a pair up for $115 is why I'm asking about both colors.  I have black Adidas AdiCross (their street shoe) and 3 pair of Ecco Streets as well as 2 pair of Nike Tour Premium (white and black, and got those for $50.  Haven't even worn the black yet).  And god knows how many other pair of black or white (I know I have 3 other pair of black Nikes, a couple pair of black FJ's and several whites in Nike and FJ as well and one other pair of brown Nike TW's.  White is the one I need to replace the most (the Tour Premiers are in perfectly good shape, but they're not exactly great for me for walking rounds because they're not fully broken in for my foot).  That's why I was wondering how hard these are to keep clean.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 01:36 PM

I have the black ones and like the white they are simple to clean. Just take a damn rag and rub them down, then they are as good as new :) I wanted white but nobody in my area had them in my size. When I get money I'm picking up a white pair :) love them so far, best golf shoe I've owned!
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 01:36 PM

Lol I thought I was bad!

Get the white, you will dig em, especially for walking, they are so  comfy fresh out of the box. My only advice would be to wear socks that are higher than where the tounge hits the ankle, as it kind of rubs.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 01:39 PM

I'm a sho nut too.

Used to be all Puma, Nike or Adidas

After my first pair of Trues I either sold, gave away or threw away anything else.

I currently have 6 pairs of Trues.  I so wanted a pair of these TW 13's, but after Trues, nothing else feels "right"

Sorry to totally thread jack, but I really , really wanted to grab a black and white pair of TW 13's, but the Trues are that good for me :)
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 01:54 PM

The shoes are pretty plasticky so the white ones aren't too hard to clean.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 02:05 PM

I have both white and black.

White is very simple to clean.

I take water hose to wash off then rub it with wet towel and it looks brand new (as long as there isn't any deep scratches).

I only wear black shoes on wet/muddy condition and clean it the same way as white.

The easiest shoes to clean after trying all the most expensive models from FJ, Adidas and Eccos.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 02:32 PM

I have both in white and black.  They are both easy to clean as others have said.  The only negative for the whit is the white shoe laces can get dusty.  At  least the black laces hide the dust a little better.  For this reason, I wear the black ones more often.  Both can be hot on really hot days.  They both hold up well to rain, dew, etc.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:54 PM

I wore my white pair in very, very wet conditions. When I got back home. All I did was wipe them down with a paper towel and a rag. After that, they were in decent shape.

Only the laces of course got dirty, the material of the shoe pretty much fends off dirt.

Yup, only if you don't get deep scratches then the shoe would not be stained or dirty

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:25 PM

Anyone put black laces in these yet? And if so, got pics?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:18 PM

View PostRookieBlue7, on 07 September 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

Anyone put black laces in these yet? And if so, got pics?

I did, as well as grey. I don't know how to post pics from my iPhone directly thought :(
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:23 PM

Does this work?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:30 AM

Love the black laces look - i'm going to do that. As far as keeping them clean, I would recommend wiping them down (the white ones) after each round. I waited 4 rounds and a couple places got stained. I'm sure I can get it out somehow, but it would be a non issue if i just took a damp cloth after each round.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:26 AM

View Postfore_life, on 07 September 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:


Yup, i put black laces on mine, never gray. When my white laces got all dirty. They look best when the laces aren't super long.

Black does look better, to me at least

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:39 AM

Spray a little scotchguard on the laces when new...helps keep them white a little longer...

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:30 PM

http://www.mrclean.c...gic-eraser.do   Have used on ALL my shoes and sneakers forever. Works amazing...

wash white laces, like new...

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:39 PM

I've got some red laces too but I think I actually like the white best.
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 08:20 AM

I would say the black ones would be easier to keep clean.  I have been playing the white ones exclusively this season since the day they came out and as others have said they are easy to keep clean.  I clean mine about every 5-6 rounds.  I'll wipe them down with a wet towel and then hit the tougher to clean spots with a Magic Eraser.  They are definately easier to keep clean and maintain than other white golf shoes I have owned in the past.  As for waterproofing, they have been perfect for me so far.  I played in some really wet conditions and no water leakage at all so far.
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 12:34 PM

Sadly, I have given up on these for awhile. I spoke with Nike golf customer service today and they said I shouldn't expect a size 14 until Feb of 2013. That is insane.

On to the next shoe!  I really wanted these though.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:04 PM

Ok, for those who have worn the white ones and have cleaned them successfully, have any of you had an experience like this?

Yesterday was my first round wearing the tw13 shoes and now I have some light brown stains (on the "swoosh" section) on them that I couldn't remove. I'll post pictures below. I washed them at first with a clean, wet towel, and then after that didn't remove the stains I used soap and warm water and even that didn't do it. Would a Magic Eraser possibly work on this? I don't want to potentially damage the shoe using chemicals so I'm just seeking advice!

Could this even be some type of defect in the material? I've heard nothing other than "how easy these are to clean" because they are synthetic. Just want my shoes clean!!


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:09 PM

2 words to clean all white shoes- MAGIC ERASER

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:21 PM

+1 magic eraser works great I have the white TW 2013 and it worked on them.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

it seriously didn't work!! I don't know what is going on here, I was really hoping this would do it! Any other suggestions?? Its in that little crease the inside lacing system forms, its a dirt/grass stain.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:48 AM

Get a toothbrush, get some oxy clean or detergent and scrub the detergent into the site. Put them in the washing machine. Remove thd laces before they go in and do the same with them. If it doesn't come out after that, then send them back!!!!


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:16 AM

View Postcsiachos, on 18 November 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

Get a toothbrush, get some oxy clean or detergent and scrub the detergent into the site. Put them in the washing machine. Remove thd laces before they go in and do the same with them. If it doesn't come out after that, then send them back!!!!

Yea, if I have to go through that much work to get my shoes clean after one single round of golf played in them, and each additional round I play, then its not worth it...

I'll send them back for an exchange, hoping that the next pair wont do this... the pictures don't do the stains justice, they are much more apparent in person.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:13 PM

I've worn mine for about 10 rounds and only had to wipe them clean, so something's up

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

View Postcsiachos, on 18 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

I've worn mine for about 10 rounds and only had to wipe them clean, so something's up

That makes me feel better. I'm hoping they will return, or preferably exchange them... Shouldn't have permanent stains/creases after 18 holes of golf.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:35 PM

i was gonna say the same thing. I've had mine for a couple months. Played over a dozen rounds, they clean right up.  Im thinking you got a bad pair... ?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:37 PM

View PostAllen Robertson, on 18 November 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

View Postcsiachos, on 18 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

I've worn mine for about 10 rounds and only had to wipe them clean, so something's up

That makes me feel better. I'm hoping they will return, or preferably exchange them... Shouldn't have permanent stains/creases after 18 holes of golf.

Wow. Even the top of the shoes (sewing by the ankle) are dirty. By any chance did you wear pants? I've noticed that you have to be careful with white shoes, and fresh cut grass. The combo just seams to rub the green into the shoes.


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