168 replies to this topic

[SGHGOLF]

Hoselrocket08, on 20 August 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Regardless, I might buy a sleeve to try but my game is nowhere good enough to play a $3 ball. I'd be out some money after a round.

Thats cheap, Pro V's are $10 a ball by the sleeve in New Zealand and this year dropped to $85 a dozen from $99... it is still the #1 premium ball though even with TM & Srixon etc... being quite a bit cheaper.

[paul1406]

Definately a different dimple design. It looks much less uniform than a Pro V. My guess is the ball will spin less with driver, and be geared more toward finding ideal trajectory depending on the club. Also could be used to get straighter ball flight.

[scottcheek]

Mudguard, on 21 August 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

Can anyone tell me what the Taylormade 510TP retailed for when it was released in the States?

I paid $600 for mine in Seattle the day it showed up in the store.

[golfingchuck]

Sump, on 22 August 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

They're bringing back the Professional 90.  Let's get some spin up in this b****.

That would be AWESOME, I loved that ball

[spinball]

They are trying a different core made of goose feathers. Rzn is out...goose is in.

[Tommymn]

I always laugh going into the woods and killing time. I find more provs then anything. Just throwing $ away.

[smashrock]

looks like it has shallower dimples. kinda like the dimples of old or the thommo ball. thought this gave poor surface coverage..

[Sportfishingguy]

It's a V1 but really holds in the wind like the to red did. Nice ball

[Lesmond]

[accordable4sho]

Wow, dimples are multiple sizes... interesting design.

[golfizfun]

jimbonecrusher, on 20 August 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Let me take a guess, it is round, has dimples, and is white.

What different playing characteristics could it possibly have?  They have pretty much covered all possible characteristics over the past 10 years with all of the Pro V1 models.  Don't get me wrong, it is a good ball, but I can't play either the X or the regular Pro V1.  Way too much loss of distance and way too much spin.  Just like with drivers, I think golfballs are about to hit the wall and not be able to get much better.

Still will be interesting to see what is new and different.

I think you're right about hitting the wall - the marketing is wearing thin. I think next you will see smaller drivers, shorter shafts , more loft ,etc And ball technology has definately been exhausted - don't know where it goes next. I actually preferred the Pro V with the 392 stamp on it - to me , that was the best performer. Maybe newer models are more durable but that ball, and I am not sure which year it was from , for me had the best spin/distance combination

[mizunostaffer]

well I know there isnt any extra distance available, lets face it, initial velocitys have been reached, dimple patterns have been optimised, all thats left to do is to reduce the spin off the driver, and my drivers already spinning at 2300, 12 launch, any less spin and its too straight

all I hope is that they bring something even spinnier than the pro v1 on partial wedge shots

[supergolfdude]

Finally! Titleist has made the first ball that listens when you yell at it. "Bite! Bite! Bite!"

[ej002]

accordable4sho, on 27 August 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Wow, dimples are multiple sizes... interesting design.

TP Red had that.  One tiny dimple every once in a while.

[RonSwanson]

Mudguard, on 21 August 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

mosesgolf, on 20 August 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

$48 per dozen plus tax is nutz.  $50 for a dozen balls?  Pro V1x is my favorite ball but there's no way I'm paying that much for golf balls.  Ebay baby.  

I don't know how anyone in the US can complain about the price of golf equipment. Taking into account exchange rates and consumer price indexes we pay so much more in Australsia than you guys!
Ping Anser wedge is $169 US, here $359NZ. Current exchange rate makes the US price, $208NZ
8 Anser irons $1499US, here $2872NZ. Exchange rate price $1849NZ
Anser driver $399US, here $799NZ. Exchange rate price $492NZ

That's a lot of money spent on shipping and retail mark up.

It was even worse a few years ago when $1US=$2NZ. Now it's $1US=$1.20NZ. I remember seeing the price list for a Taylormade 510TP and it was $1100NZ! so in today's money that's $1400NZ, or back into US dollars $1135!!

Completely agree here. I lived in NZ for a year starting in late 2009. I played once my entire trip. No idea how anyone affords new equipment in NZ

[jgpl]

The cynics and anti Titleist brigade in this thread make me laugh

While everyone has their personal preferences and different balls suit different players, a couple of simple facts remain:

1. Titleist has been the no. 1 ball on every tour for decades - it outplays it nearest rival by more than 10:1
2. It has more tournament wins worldwide over the past 25 years than all other balls put together
3. It has more Major Wins than all other balls put together
4. It is played by more golfers of all handicaps worldwide than all other makes of balls put together
5. This new ball when it hits the market will out sell all other makes of balls put together

The reasons:

The Titleist ProV1 and ProV1x is simply the best ball out there

Am I a Titleist diehard - yes, a complete bag

Have I played other balls - yes, every make and type, I am seasoned ho.

Are other balls good - yes, many are excellent

What do I play - B330 Tour.........

[J13]

If TM, Cally, Nike, and Srixon all have balls being playing on tour then they are good enough for any amateur. Trick is to test them out and find what works best for your game.  Then look  for price.  Titleist is starting to price themselves beyond what some are willing to pay, which is how these other companies have been able to get larger and larger shares of the market.  We'll see how it shakes out in the future.

Edited by J13, 28 August 2012 - 04:46 PM.

[jgpl]

J13, on 28 August 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

If TM, Cally, Nike, and Srixon all have balls being playing on tour then they are good enough for any amateur. Trick is to test them out and find what works best for your game.  Then look  for price.  Titleist is starting to price themselves beyond what some are willing to pay, which is how these other companies have been able to get larger and larger shares of the market.  We'll see how it shakes out in the future.

+1 Well put

[mrfullwm]

m4tTy333, on 20 August 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

How much more can they improve the ProV line up. I don't think its possible ; however I picked up some Taylormade Tp Red w/ LDP balls for CHEAP at Walmart. It might be my new golf ball. Ball is ridiculous

That TP Red is the best ball I've ever played. Great distance off the tee and good control around the greens. Plus I didn't peel the covers off of them after one solid wedge shot. Unfortunately I can only find the TP Black around me now. The Penta TP5 is pretty good but not as good as the Red.

[Colby327]

golfizfun, on 28 August 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

jimbonecrusher, on 20 August 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Let me take a guess, it is round, has dimples, and is white.

What different playing characteristics could it possibly have?  They have pretty much covered all possible characteristics over the past 10 years with all of the Pro V1 models.  Don't get me wrong, it is a good ball, but I can't play either the X or the regular Pro V1.  Way too much loss of distance and way too much spin.  Just like with drivers, I think golfballs are about to hit the wall and not be able to get much better.

Still will be interesting to see what is new and different.

I think you're right about hitting the wall - the marketing is wearing thin. I think next you will see smaller drivers, shorter shafts , more loft ,etc And ball technology has definately been exhausted - don't know where it goes next. I actually preferred the Pro V with the 392 stamp on it - to me , that was the best performer. Maybe newer models are more durable but that ball, and I am not sure which year it was from , for me had the best spin/distance combination

I agree as well, and think the next step is more customization.   Just like clubs have gone lately, the ball itself will follow.  More options to fit individuals needs and wants.

You already have the ability to choose your number, 0 -99, and adding a message/name/logo. I'm thinking this will only become more common.  Logically that would more color options, not only in the ball itself, but also the writing/numbers, different number fonts, etc...

Down the road I could also see more options regarding compression.  Maybe you'll eventually be able buy a ball like the ProV1, but with different compression rating (such as 80 90, 100, 110, etc.) keeping th core and imple patterns the same.  This would be similar to buying a shaft a shaft in regular, stiff, x-stiff, or in different weights like 60g, 70g, or 80g.  

All of this is just my guess though, and expect it would be much further down the road than any 2013 product offerings.

[PINGman4life]

The only improvement that they could make to both balls that would amke me play it is for it to have less spin. Way too much on the current model.

[AEldridge]

I heard the new ball is basically like '09 model . Just because a lot of people and myself included believe the '11 ball just spun to much. Don't know if there is any truth to it but that's just what I heard. I do know the previous model pro v1x ball is still widely played on tour.

[storm319]

Colby327, on 29 August 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

I agree as well, and think the next step is more customization.   Just like clubs have gone lately, the ball itself will follow.  More options to fit individuals needs and wants.

You already have the ability to choose your number, 0 -99, and adding a message/name/logo. I'm thinking this will only become more common.  Logically that would more color options, not only in the ball itself, but also the writing/numbers, different number fonts, etc...

Down the road I could also see more options regarding compression.  Maybe you'll eventually be able buy a ball like the ProV1, but with different compression rating (such as 80 90, 100, 110, etc.) keeping th core and imple patterns the same.  This would be similar to buying a shaft a shaft in regular, stiff, x-stiff, or in different weights like 60g, 70g, or 80g.  

All of this is just my guess though, and expect it would be much further down the road than any 2013 product offerings.

Considering Titleist's aggressive marketing campaign that compression does not matter, I highly doubt that they will release a line focusing on compression like Bridgestone currently is. If you really look closely, very little has changed with the Pro V1 in its nearly 12 year old existence which leads me to believe that we won't see any drastic changes in the near future.

Ultimately there isn't much growth opportunity in the US Golf industry. OEM's are starting to focus on foreign markets with higher growth potential while trying to just maintain their share in the saturated US market. Fila Korea purchased Acushnet with their primary focus on the growing Asian market.

Edited by storm319, 29 August 2012 - 07:17 PM.

[jgpl]

AEldridge, on 29 August 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

I heard the new ball is basically like '09 model . Just because a lot of people and myself included believe the '11 ball just spun to much. Don't know if there is any truth to it but that's just what I heard. I do know the previous model pro v1x ball is still widely played on tour.

Yes  - a return to the 09 model would be welcome

[m4tTy333]

mrfullwm, on 29 August 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

m4tTy333, on 20 August 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

How much more can they improve the ProV line up. I don't think its possible ; however I picked up some Taylormade Tp Red w/ LDP balls for CHEAP at Walmart. It might be my new golf ball. Ball is ridiculous

That TP Red is the best ball I've ever played. Great distance off the tee and good control around the greens. Plus I didn't peel the covers off of them after one solid wedge shot. Unfortunately I can only find the TP Black around me now. The Penta TP5 is pretty good but not as good as the Red.

My local walmart has them for $25 a dozen!  You can still get them on the internet.

[storm319]

m4tTy333, on 04 September 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

mrfullwm, on 29 August 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

m4tTy333, on 20 August 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

How much more can they improve the ProV line up. I don't think its possible ; however I picked up some Taylormade Tp Red w/ LDP balls for CHEAP at Walmart. It might be my new golf ball. Ball is ridiculous

That TP Red is the best ball I've ever played. Great distance off the tee and good control around the greens. Plus I didn't peel the covers off of them after one solid wedge shot. Unfortunately I can only find the TP Black around me now. The Penta TP5 is pretty good but not as good as the Red.

My local walmart has them for $25 a dozen!  You can still get them on the internet.

Many threads on this already, the version at Walmart is a reissue of the original 3-piece TP Red, not the 4-piece TP Red LDP that everyone raves about. They are completely different balls and the 4-piece TP Red LDP is all but extinct.

[WRXClarky]

I have 3 sleeves of the Tp Red LDP 4 piece brand new if anyone wants em.

[taz757]

Still have 2 dozen brand new TP Red LDPs in the closet that will probably never see the course, ever. Such a great ball and such a horrific death.

[TML]

i still have a few dozen remaining of the 2011 V1X, but can't wait to buy another dozen 2013 boxes with logo of course.

[SlickT73]

If they put out an orange ProV1, it will be the only ball I play all year.