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Mizuno shaft optimizer. I forgot my recommendations. Can anyone check my numbers?


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:58 AM

My numbers are 91ss. 4-3-1-4

The rep said I needed x flex, but I don't remember which shafts were recommended. Can anyone help me with this?

Thanks!


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:28 PM

  • Dynamic Gold X100 Soft step
  • Project X 6.0
  • KBS Tour X Soft step


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:28 PM

Thank you. Do you think the optimizer is accurate? That swing speed seems too high for my six iron.  I only swing my driver 95-100.



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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:29 PM

If you only swing your driver 95-100, than yes seems like the 90+ SS for a 6 iron is a bit high.  Was that the result from a single swing or did you average out the numbers across multiple swings, and also did you take the results from swings with good strikes on the ball or every swing regardless of whether or not you shanked the ball (just using that as an extreme example, but making the point that it might be best to take your better swings = smoother, probably less speed than a plain ole grip and rip it type swing).

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:31 PM

I can't comment on the swing speed accuracy of the fitting club you used. It would seem a few MPH high based on your driver swing speed. I also have the suspicion that the tool has 3-4 MPH of ego massaging help built into the system. This does not change the recommendations, just makes you feel better when you do the test!

I am a fan of the optimiser as a fitting tool because it takes into account how the player loads the shaft. It is also pretty idiot proof, which is good considering the wide range of people using it as a fitting tool.

Just to put things in perspective if you run 88 4,3,1,4 the recommendations all fall back into the S flex category.

    Dynamic Gold S300
    Project X 5.5
    KBS Tour S

Unless your launch conditions are extreme (high launch and spin) with your smooth tempo it is likely that you will be perfectly happy with the slightly softer flex options. Don't forget the final part of the full fitting process, is hitting the recommended shafts using trackman to confirm the launch conditions and shaft feel.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:39 PM

View PostERdiesel, on 02 August 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

If you only swing your driver 95-100, than yes seems like the 90+ SS for a 6 iron is a bit high.  Was that the result from a single swing or did you average out the numbers across multiple swings, and also did you take the results from swings with good strikes on the ball or every swing regardless of whether or not you shanked the ball (just using that as an extreme example, but making the point that it might be best to take your better swings = smoother, probably less speed than a plain ole grip and rip it type swing).

I took 3 swings. All were good strikes (what can I say?;). One swing was 90ss, the others were 91ss. All numbers came back the same: 4-3-1-4

The club I was using to get the numbers was a JPX 800 pro on a graphite shaft.  Are there others shafts to obtain the numbers with? The
Numnuts rep at GS was not very informative. Nice enough guy though.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:43 PM

Same problem as OP, please give me a hand.
ss 91-92 mph 5-4-4-8


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:43 PM

View PostDaveMac, on 02 August 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

I can't comment on the swing speed accuracy of the fitting club you used. It would seem a few MPH high based on your driver swing speed. I also have the suspicion that the tool has 3-4 MPH of ego massaging help built into the system. This does not change the recommendations, just makes you feel better when you do the test!

I am a fan of the optimiser as a fitting tool because it takes into account how the player loads the shaft. It is also pretty idiot proof, which is good considering the wide range of people using it as a fitting tool.

Just to put things in perspective if you run 88 4,3,1,4 the recommendations all fall back into the S flex category.

    Dynamic Gold S300
    Project X 5.5
    KBS Tour S

Unless your launch conditions are extreme (high launch and spin) with your smooth tempo it is likely that you will be perfectly happy with the slightly softer flex options. Don't forget the final part of the full fitting process, is hitting the recommended shafts using trackman to confirm the launch conditions and shaft feel.

That makes a little more sense then. Last summer, I was getting 6i swing speeds of 85-88mph at a taylormade booth. They suggested stiff for me at the time.

I doubt I'll venture into stiff flex, but would like to try the recommended bend profiles. I'm currently playing burner 2.0 with stock stiff 85g shafts. I like the feel well enough. Would like a lower flight though.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:53 PM

There is a big difference between the optimiser shaft recommendations (even the S flex versions) and the stock 85 gram stiff in the burner 2.0. They all have stiffer bend profiles and are much stronger in the tip, which will help control your launch and spin.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:57 PM

View PostWirfo, on 02 August 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Same problem as OP, please give me a hand.
ss 91-92 mph 5-4-4-8

Early release (8) fits you into a slightly softer tipped shaft.
  • Dynalite Gold XP X 100 Soft step
  • Project X 6.0
  • KBS Tour X Soft step


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 03:33 AM

View PostDaveMac, on 02 August 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

View PostWirfo, on 02 August 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Same problem as OP, please give me a hand.
ss 91-92 mph 5-4-4-8

Early release (8) fits you into a slightly softer tipped shaft.
  • Dynalite Gold XP X 100 Soft step
  • Project X 6.0
  • KBS Tour X Soft step
Thanks, I have tryed the KBS in both s and xs, I have also played PX 6.0. I really liked the KBS yet to try the Dynlite though. To me the PX feels allot stiffer than the KBS.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 06:56 AM

Can someone give me my recommendation, here were my numbers:
86mph 4,4,6,8

Thanks

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 01:56 PM

View PostNorth Shore Golfer21, on 04 August 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

Can someone give me my recommendation, here were my numbers: 86mph 4,4,6,8
  • Dynalite Gold XP S300
  • KBS Tour Stiff
  • Nippon NS Pro 1150 Stiff (European option)

Edited by DaveMac, 04 August 2012 - 01:57 PM.


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Posted 19 August 2012 - 02:22 PM

Could you recommend shaft for me please?

86, 5,3,5,4

Thanks, Joe

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 03:37 PM

View Postjoe81005, on 19 August 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Could you recommend shaft for me please? 86, 5,3,5,4
Joe
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  • Project X 5.5
  • KBS Tour Stiff


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Posted 19 August 2012 - 04:39 PM

View PostDaveMac, on 19 August 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

View Postjoe81005, on 19 August 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Could you recommend shaft for me please? 86, 5,3,5,4
Joe
  • Dynamic Gold S300
  • Project X 5.5
  • KBS Tour Stiff

Thanks for taking the time! Have a great evening! Joe

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 04:53 PM

Same problem here. My SS is 75, and my numbers are 4-2-2-4. Can anyone tell me the recommended shafts?

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 04:58 PM

View Postbag302, on 02 August 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Thank you. Do you think the optimizer is accurate? That swing speed seems too high for my six iron.  I only swing my driver 95-100.

Your driver has to be higher than that.  My driver ss is in that range and I was at 80-81 for 6 iron.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:19 PM

View PostMschumacher, on 10 September 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

View Postbag302, on 02 August 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Thank you. Do you think the optimizer is accurate? That swing speed seems too high for my six iron.  I only swing my driver 95-100.

Your driver has to be higher than that.  My driver ss is in that range and I was at 80-81 for 6 iron.

It used to be up in the 105 range and I saw a max of 111, but that was 5 years ago when I was in my 30's. Now, I can barely get to 100mph using a swing speed radar. That's why i dont believe the Mizuno optimizer numbers of 91 mph with a six iron. I do carry my 8 iron 155 (Burner 2.0 jacked lofts)

No way i am an x-flex like mizuno recommends.

Edited by bag302, 10 September 2012 - 07:20 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:37 AM

Anyone? 4-2-2-4, 75 mph.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:57 AM

I am a tad curious how the OP has a 91 MPH SS and was given the recommendations that has was given.  
I recorded the following:
SS  Numbers
90  4475
91  3467
91  3467
90  4367
91  3457
93  3467
93  3465
91  3467

Now IIRC, the shaft optimizer suggested with some of these numbers a PX 5.5 and with some of the others, DG XP 300, and something else along these lines.  I currently play PX 6.0 SSx1 and I feel that I have a very consistent setup, and a very accurate iron setup.  Is there something that I am missing?  If I try a DG XP S300, shots with a 6 iron into the wind are as long as a 9 iron and as high as a lob wedge.  Just need some degree of understanding as to why I have the shaft suggestions that I have.  To provide a bit more info, with DG S300s that I used to play, I could backspin shots off of the front of a green.  I have a stack and tilt single plane swing and a smooth acceleration without any hard transitions or jerks with my irons.  I don't try and overswing or overpower a shot.

I also want to add, that this may be before the inclusion of the C-Tapers (not likely to be a suggestion) or the PXi into the Mizuno software.

Thanks for the help.

Edited by Florida Gator, 13 September 2012 - 11:58 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:17 PM

View PostmizunoMX25, on 13 September 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Anyone? 4-2-2-4, 75 mph.
  • Dynalite Gold XP R300
  • Project X 5.0
  • KBS tour regular


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:38 PM

View PostFlorida Gator, on 13 September 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I am a tad curious how the OP has a 91 MPH SS and was given the recommendations that has were given.
I recorded the following:
DNA  Numbers: 91  3467

There are two important differences between your swing DNA and the OP's DNA. The first is your tempo is a tad smoother (3 vs 4), the second is your release point is earlier in the swing (7 vs 4). These differences result in the software recommending lighter shafts in a slightly softer flex for the same swing speed as the OP.

The UK version of the software returns the following recommendations for your DNA
  • Nippon 950 X flex
  • Dynalite Gold XP S300
  • Dynamic Gold SL S300

The software is responding to your smooth tempo and trying to provide a light weight shaft in response to that. Now if you change the tempo slightly from 3 to 4 then the results are:
  • Dynalite Gold XP X 100 soft stepped
  • Project X 6.0
  • KBS Tour X soft stepped

The software is not perfect and should always be supported by launch monitor testing of the shafts suggested.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:20 PM

Thanks for the explaination on my results.  I feel that with the Px 6.0, I am in the right range, just may not be the perfect match.  I like the feel of KBS Tour.  May need to experiment.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:19 PM

SS 78
6-6-6-7

???

Thanks

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:25 AM

View PostDien, on 13 September 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

SS 78 6-6-6-7
  • Dynalite Gold XP S300 soft stepped
  • Nippon NS Pro 1150 S
  • KBS Tour S soft stepped


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:59 AM

Joe or dave can u help me out?
89-5-5-5-8

Edited by proguy, 14 September 2012 - 12:00 PM.


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:45 PM

I'm a believer of the Mizuno shaft optimizer. I installed KBS Tour regular per the recommendations (also recommended Dynalite Gold XP and PX 5.0) and turned my weakness (irons) into my strength now!
Miura SIT 460 10.5
Adams XTD Ti 18
Miura HB3 20
Miura PP-9003 4-PW
WITB Link
Miura 51Y 56K
Scotty Cameron GoLo

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:42 PM

View Postproguy, on 14 September 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Joe or dave can u help me out? DNA 89-5-5-5-8
  • Dynalite Gold XP X 100 soft stepped
  • Project X 6.0
  • KBS Tour X soft stepped


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:43 PM

View PostDaveMac, on 14 September 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

View PostDien, on 13 September 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

SS 78 6-6-6-7
  • Dynalite Gold XP S300 soft stepped
  • Nippon NS Pro 1150 S
  • KBS Tour S soft stepped


Thanks, fitter put me into a Nippon Modus 3 S.  Didn't try any of the other out, any thoughts?

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