56 replies to this topic

[Qegurezi]

I found a noticable difference in feel between the WB73s and Ahina 70s.

[aswo3332]

Shouldn't these be out by now? I don't see them on golfsmiths website.

[willpeoples]

They are out already, in stock now, email us for a price.

[SMUGamer]

 J.W., on 29 July 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

I think some of you guys would be crying in the corner if you knew the difference between "real deal" and "made for" and the costs/manufacturing associated.

Then please enlighten us???

[aswo3332]

 SMUGamer, on 30 July 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

 J.W., on 29 July 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

I think some of you guys would be crying in the corner if you knew the difference between "real deal" and "made for" and the costs/manufacturing associated.

Then please enlighten us???

+1

[dcrsx]

 golfyoda, on 29 July 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

A little concerned about the 4.5* torque in the S+ though...

The higher torque is probably why this real deal MRC can be offered as stock at Titleist.  Torque is a huge driver in shaft cost, and one that many people don't understand and wouldn't notice the change.  Let the torque jump from 3.0 to 4.5, save a bunch of money, sell alot more to the OEMS as Real Deal.  Everyone wins.

Well almost everyone.

[aswo3332]

So these will be Diamanas closest offerings to the original whiteboard/blueboard right? Just newer versions.

I noticed that the original blueboard 83X has 3.0 torque and a mid/high kick pt. While the new S+ 82X has 3.0 torque but a mid kick pt.  How will that change in kick pt affect the playibility of the shaft? Would you be able to notice a difference if the torque and weight are so similar?

[JaxBeachNole]

Anybody hit these yet?

[indygolfman]

Would love to know also!

[goodwillhacking]

 indygolfman, on 01 August 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

Would love to know also!

I have both the Ahina (70) and D+ (72) stiff that I threw in my Razr Fit TA.  At first, I definitely noticed the torque difference between the two 2.7 versus 3.3 and dispersion was a little more with the D+.  The D+ is hands down smoother, better to look at during address (I love the matte black).  Haven't jumped on a trackman or course yet, just the range.  I wasn't too happy that they let the torque creep up (original WB was 2.8).

[jasonnj1978]

 dcrsx, on 31 July 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

 golfyoda, on 29 July 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

A little concerned about the 4.5* torque in the S+ though...

The higher torque is probably why this real deal MRC can be offered as stock at Titleist.  Torque is a huge driver in shaft cost, and one that many people don't understand and wouldn't notice the change.  Let the torque jump from 3.0 to 4.5, save a bunch of money, sell alot more to the OEMS as Real Deal.  Everyone wins.

Well almost everyone.

I'm not sure about this argument??

UST Mamiya Attas Series - Relatively high torque and high retail price
UST Proforce V2 - Very low torque and cheap retail price

[JaxBeachNole]

 jasonnj1978, on 01 August 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

 dcrsx, on 31 July 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

 golfyoda, on 29 July 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

A little concerned about the 4.5* torque in the S+ though...

The higher torque is probably why this real deal MRC can be offered as stock at Titleist.  Torque is a huge driver in shaft cost, and one that many people don't understand and wouldn't notice the change.  Let the torque jump from 3.0 to 4.5, save a bunch of money, sell alot more to the OEMS as Real Deal.  Everyone wins.

Well almost everyone.

I'm not sure about this argument??

UST Mamiya Attas Series - Relatively high torque and high retail price
UST Proforce V2 - Very low torque and cheap retail price

Two very different shaft series, but I agree that he torque=price argument doesn't work.

[JR Van]

It's more about material quality and difficulty of production.

[moonshine]

If I'm reading it right, they are a VTS copy depending on what your requirements are, ability, SS, etc.  I read the last part of the PR material that way.  For me, MRC stuff has always been all over the place and their popularity has surprised me a bit.  The UST stuff just works much better in my little world.  Wait, I hit a WB one time and it was cool.  Maybe I should try the ahina now...shucks.

[golfyoda]

I probably give it a try, however I notice that when the torque goes up my dispersion gets worse.  Your mileage may vary...

[JaxBeachNole]

I mean I loved the whiteboard, hated the ahina, loved the Kai'li, and like the Kuro Kage. I know I'll end up getting one.

[Yarra]

Is it just me or torque has become overrated now, somehow...

[bizzlegolf]

 Yarra, on 02 August 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

Is it just me or torque has become overrated now, somehow...

Agreed, I feel like the overall bend profile has more to do with performance than torque.  Especially with the quality and range of materials Mitsu has access to, there has to be some materials that spec out softer than they play...

[JaxBeachNole]

Anyone hit the plus series yet?

[256ctf]

Dose the Cobra amp orange driver had plus d 63 as stock ?

[storm319]

 256ctf, on 05 August 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

Dose the Cobra amp orange driver had plus d 63 as stock ?

No that is the original whiteboard 63.

[Yarra]

 JaxBeachNole, on 05 August 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Anyone hit the plus series yet?

 JaxBeachNole, on 05 August 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Anyone hit the plus series yet?

I hit both and IMO they are close to the original Whiteboard and Blueboard with better feel and better dispersion. If you like the old one, chances are you'll like these too. Some of my friends who used to play the Whiteboard say that the black shaft is a better replacement than the Fubuki K they are playing now.

And I did memtion earlier that these shafts feel so soft at impact that they make the RBZ feels much better at impact. The blue shaft works great in my 3446-F, too.

Edited by Yarra, 05 August 2012 - 09:41 PM.

[mikeyun1992]

 mosesgolf, on 29 July 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

On a personal level, I found no difference between the original Blueboard 73, 83 etc vs the Kai Li's and the same goes for the Whiteboard 63, 73, 83's vs the Ahina's.  IMO, these are nothing more than rebadged shafts.

Are you kidding me? Seriously?
We're talking about the retail version, not "made for"?
Personally, I can feel the difference of these two (Whiteboard vs ahina / Blueboard vs Kai'li), ahina and kai'li are more stable, less spin and touch of lower trajectory. I'm able to confidently "go after it" if I needed to with ahina than whiteboard. Definitely, the feel is much smoother in whiteboard/blueboard vs ahina/kai'li.

[getting_to_scratch]

What's the difference in a 'Made For' shaft spec/mfg process and an OG aftermarket?

Thinking S+ in my 3W to replace the Made For Ahina may be my next experiment.

[markheardjr]

 bizzlegolf, on 27 July 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Not sure how you could argue that Kai'li was a failure...I guess if you compare it to the success of Blue Board I kind of get it, but not many shafts have ever been as successful as original Blue Board.

Aldila NV, Fujikura 757, True Temper EI-70, Graffalloy Pro-Lite, Proforce V2, Graphite Design YS-series, Graphite Design D003. Any one of those could be in play at any given PGA tour event even though many are 10+ years old. Blueboard is in the list, don't get me wrong. But every 3 years we get another shaft that can hang for 5-7+ years even with new iterations of the same profile. Longevity is rare in graphite shafts but the standards are out there. Every TM paint scheme has had a basic old Aldila NV under it from R7 graphics through R11s and beyond. Blueboard was around ~7 years ago and is still out there but not as many in play today. Tiger was the main reason for it's popularity. I think the Deep Impact is the new kid that will last, partially because of Tiger and partially because it just flat out rocks.

[Qwalme]

I have a question and it is coming from a newbie that has not tried many shafts - When you guys talk about 'feel' what exactly is it that is different?

Do you mean you know if you hit a good shot right away from the feedback or know where the club is during the swing better?

I'm looking at 2 shafts after a fitting on the 913 D2 - Pro Lauch red S and RiP Phenom 60S.

The PL Red has 3.0 torque and I cant find anything on the 60S  on Alidas site but the 70 is 3.2 and 50 is 4.8. Does that mean the PL red is a better shaft construction?

With all the good feedback on the Whiteboard, would a D-series 63 S be similar to the above characteristics but with more 'feel'?

Thanks

[minteq]

For me better feel is that the shaft loads properly and does not feel like. 2x4.  In the above shafts you mentioned, one is not a better construction than the other, just a little different specs.

I recently have been trying a WB 63s, the jury is still out, one time was great, one time was bad.

Edited by minteq, 23 November 2012 - 02:22 PM.