56 replies to this topic

[indygolfman]

How is no one talking about this yet? Am I behind the curve? I did a search and didn't find anything. Here's some info from their site:

The Diamana +PLUS™ Series, the latest addition to our family of premium golf shafts.

"This new series of shafts combines the premium materials of the Original Diamana™ Series with the M.D.I. (Multi-Dimensional Interlay) Technology developed for the Second Generation Diamana™ Series. The Diamana +PLUS™ Series delivers bend profiles similar to the Second Generation Diamana™, while retaining the feedback and feel of the Original Series.
This new Diamana +PLUS™ Series will also incorporate a "progressive torque" system that optimizes performance by matching a shaft's torque and shaft frequency to deliver optimal performance for players of all abilities."



Anyone have the scoop on these?

It appears that they are higher torque than the Original and Nex-Gen series of Diamanas.

M.D.I. technology from the Fubuki added to the Kai'li and Ahina?

--------------

Sorry to repost a topic, but I think it was in the wrong forum earlier:  http://www.golfwrx.c...na-plus-series/

[indygolfman]

Will Peoples, you have some for sale!  What can you tell us about them?

Anyone hit these yet?

[JaxBeachNole]

MDI is in the Next Gen Kai'li etc.

[storm319]

This thread has been up since June:

http://www.golfwrx.c...ation-diamanas/

As the description states, it uses the materials from the 1st Gen Diamanas and the MDI Technology from the 2nd gen Diamanas (apparently best of both worlds, but IMHO the biggest difference feel). MDT (Modulus Differential Technology) that is used for the Fubuki is different than MDI (Multi-Dimensional Interlay).

[bizzlegolf]

I had a chance to hit the 72X D+.  Feels much closer to the original White Board, but with tighter feel.  The gist I got from their customer service was that these will contain materials closer to the original diamana series, but with their newer manufacturing processes used in the next gen kai'li, 'liima, and 'ahina.

They mentioned something about progessive torque.  The S flex is geared more towards a player that would need the characteristics of an S flex.  X Flex will have slightly higher kick and less torque.

Personally, I feel like the next gen series performed well, but felt harsh and less solid than its predecessor.  The matte finish is sick in black, haven't seen the blue.

Was watching the True South and saw Bud Cauley in it, as well as saw pics of Kyle Stanley.  Bud has been in white board forever, and for him to switch that quick definitly says something about the +Plus series.

[Yarra]

I got some and I think they are just like the Diamana Blueboard-Whiteboard of old with a different feel.

The hybrid shaft is fantastic, IMO.  I have been looking for a shaft to fit the RBZ hybrid and this is it.  Makes the RBZ feels softer at impact, too.

The blue shaft launches higher and the black one launches lower with good spin numbers (tested on Trackman).

Edited by Yarra, 26 July 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[ksavy17]

Yarra, on 26 July 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

I got some and I think they are just like the Diamana Blueboard-Whiteboard of old with a different feel.

The hybrid shaft is fantastic, IMO.  I have been looking for a shaft to fit the RBZ hybrid and this is it.  Makes the RBZ feels softer at impact, too.

The blue shaft launches higher and the black one launches lower with good spin numbers (tested on Trackman).

damn, this is what I wanted for my rbz hybrid.

[indygolfman]

storm319, on 26 July 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

This thread has been up since June:

http://www.golfwrx.c...ation-diamanas/

As the description states, it uses the materials from the 1st Gen Diamanas and the MDI Technology from the 2nd gen Diamanas (apparently best of both worlds, but IMHO the biggest difference feel). MDT (Modulus Differential Technology) that is used for the Fubuki is different than MDI (Multi-Dimensional Interlay).

Oh man, I knew there was no way I was the first to see this!  Thanks

I would still love to hear from some of you who have hit these and how they differ from the originals/next-gens!

[moonshine]

What's the point?

[indygolfman]

moonshine, on 26 July 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

What's the point?

Not sure I follow?

The point of them making it?  or the point of hearing what people think of the shafts?

[willpeoples]

I have heard they are basically like a new and improved whiteboard and blueboard.  Not sure how they are different to be honest, I will find out though.  To be honest the kaili was kind of a failure, therefore they went back and redesigned it to be more like the original blueboard. I also haven't gotten any feedback on either yet but I just got them a couple weeks ago, I will shoot out some emails and see what I can find out about the feel/performance.

[bizzlegolf]

Not sure how you could argue that Kai'li was a failure...I guess if you compare it to the success of Blue Board I kind of get it, but not many shafts have ever been as successful as original Blue Board.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

bizzlegolf, on 27 July 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Not sure how you could argue that Kai'li was a failure...I guess if you compare it to the success of Blue Board I kind of get it, but not many shafts have ever been as successful as original Blue Board.

+1..my thing was the blue board was too tip stiff for my tastes..the Kai'li solved that for me and gave me the spin and launch I was looking for while remaining very stable and consistent.

[RonSwanson]

I just put a 73X D+ (tipped 1") in my 910 D3 last week. I've only had 1 range session with it so far. Obviously with the tipping, the feel is going to be different from a straight install.

I've always loved the feel of the Whiteboard and the D+ doesn't disappoint. I switched from a Motore Speeder 7.2x TS and this doesn't feel nearly as "boardy" and every bit as stable.

Again, these are only initial impressions. No trackman numbers or anything yet. I'll try to post some more detailed reactions after having it in play for a bit.

[JaxBeachNole]

Someone just mentioned in another thread that the real Diamana S+ and D+ will be stock for the 913. That's going to put a whole bunch of those babies out there.

[Yarra]

indygolfman, on 26 July 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

storm319, on 26 July 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

This thread has been up since June:

http://www.golfwrx.c...ation-diamanas/

As the description states, it uses the materials from the 1st Gen Diamanas and the MDI Technology from the 2nd gen Diamanas (apparently best of both worlds, but IMHO the biggest difference feel). MDT (Modulus Differential Technology) that is used for the Fubuki is different than MDI (Multi-Dimensional Interlay).

Oh man, I knew there was no way I was the first to see this!  Thanks

I would still love to hear from some of you who have hit these and how they differ from the originals/next-gens!

Btw, next generation od Diamana is due to be released shortly.  I am not sure if they are going to replace Kai'Li/I'limia/A'hina...

[goodwillhacking]

Wouldn't putting that many real deal Diamana's out there hurt MRCs aftermarket shaft sales?  Didn't seem like Titleist needed the help compared to say....Adams

Edited by Michael Bachman, 28 July 2012 - 12:18 AM.

[storm319]

Michael Bachman, on 27 July 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Wouldn't putting that many real deal Diamana's out there hurt MRCs aftermarket shaft sales?  Didn't seem like Titleist needed the help compared to say....Adams

Yes but they will also have increased revenue from Titleist since I am sure these shafts will cost more than a made in china MFT shaft does. Yes there are bigger margins on individual shaft sales, but the sheer volume of OEM contracts make these attractive for shaft companies.

[Yarra]

I think more OEMs now work closely with manufacturers to offer real-deal shafts.  We see them as options in Titleist and Callaway.

Strangely enough, those MRC shafts which are OEM-bound are not released in Japan.  I heard rumors of Kuro Kage and Diamana Plus being OEM shafts and they are not offered in Japanese domestic market.

[goodwillhacking]

That would be awesome if Titleist can do it and not change their price point.  I knew Adams probably did so with the Fubuki series as it was overall less popular, the K came out so MRC probably had alphas that were not going anywhere, etc.  This would be surprising with a pure new shaft launch.  Happy for it though.

I doubt you would see the Speeder series commoditized that way but that could now be the trend for shaft OEMs...

Edited by Michael Bachman, 28 July 2012 - 10:16 AM.

[golfware]

I think the originals were THE BEST!!

[willpeoples]

I also heard they are putting these in the 913s.  I think they will be the real deal, hopefully not the same watered down ones they put in the 910...

Maybe saying the kaili was a failure is a little too much, but it definitely didn't live up the expectations, especially for MRC, however they also said that about the ahina, which I thought was pretty good...  Personally I just did not like the feel of the kaili at all.

[JaxBeachNole]

willpeoples, on 28 July 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

I also heard they are putting these in the 913s.  I think they will be the real deal, hopefully not the same watered down ones they put in the 910...

Maybe saying the kaili was a failure is a little too much, but it definitely didn't live up the expectations, especially for MRC, however they also said that about the ahina, which I thought was pretty good...  Personally I just did not like the feel of the kaili at all.

It's going to be interesting to see if the ahina and kaili have any sort of the staying power that the whiteboard and blueboard have had.

[vwgolfer]

JaxBeachNole, on 29 July 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

willpeoples, on 28 July 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

I also heard they are putting these in the 913s.  I think they will be the real deal, hopefully not the same watered down ones they put in the 910...

Maybe saying the kaili was a failure is a little too much, but it definitely didn't live up the expectations, especially for MRC, however they also said that about the ahina, which I thought was pretty good...  Personally I just did not like the feel of the kaili at all.

It's going to be interesting to see if the ahina and kaili have any sort of the staying power that the whiteboard and blueboard have had.

Probably because people can pronounce whiteboard and not ahina. Played both and ahina is a better shaft.

[Randagios]

Could anybody compare the S+ HY 72 with the Fubuki AX HY 350 and the Javln FX Th7?

Edited by Randagios, 29 July 2012 - 04:57 PM.

[7humbs]

I'm surprised that the second gen diamanas used inferior materials compared to gen 1... I play an ahina 70x (guess its actuall 72 grams) and it feels great, it's very stable and a low spin shaft, so I'll be surprised if the new one feels good enough to replace it (especially if it's around $3-$400.

[J.W.]

I think some of you guys would be crying in the corner if you knew the difference between "real deal" and "made for" and the costs/manufacturing associated.

[Big Ben]

Dscvrr St Louis, on 27 July 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

bizzlegolf, on 27 July 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Not sure how you could argue that Kai'li was a failure...I guess if you compare it to the success of Blue Board I kind of get it, but not many shafts have ever been as successful as original Blue Board.

+1..my thing was the blue board was too tip stiff for my tastes..the Kai'li solved that for me and gave me the spin and launch I was looking for while remaining very stable and consistent.

I agree 100% and really like the Kai'li...BB

[golfyoda]

A little concerned about the 4.5* torque in the S+ though...

[mosesgolf]

On a personal level, I found no difference between the original Blueboard 73, 83 etc vs the Kai Li's and the same goes for the Whiteboard 63, 73, 83's vs the Ahina's.  IMO, these are nothing more than rebadged shafts.