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[Skaffa77]

TheDarkOne, on 23 July 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

scratchswinger, on 23 July 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

TDO- When does your bet with E - SF end?

7 down, one to go. I am preparing a monologue post for the eventual PGA thread to bring everyone back up to speed. Believe me, it will make what Ian McShane did for the Open intros look like a feeble attempt at prose.  
By the way, he has changed his user name about 4 times and I haven't seen him post here for months. I believe he goes by Greasycougar or some such nonsense now. If Woods wins the PGA I am sure he will resurface, if not....well sometimes you just write them off eh?

To be honest, and I know no one will ever believe this, I wouldn't mind seeing Woods get another Major, even if it's still this year. Just for people like SWBYS who are solid reasonable fans. They have suffered enough over the last 4 years, it would be nice to see them (not so much Woods) get a little satisfaction for all the grief their support has cost them. That being said, I think SWBYPS is slowing moving over to be a Rickie fan first and foremost. I'm wearing him down. Hopefully by next year he will at least be wearing the occasional Puma outfit and flat brim.

Oh God...TDO's posts never cease to entertain me.   This (bold part) solid gold here!

[TheDarkOne]

It's strange when you think that the "process," has lasted longer than most players entire college careers.
I've said it before and I shall again, the Haney years were the best. It's to bad he couldn't have met Foley first, then Hank. At this point in his life, after everything he has been through, I bet he could have developed a very cool friendship with Hank and had unlimited success. It would have been a lot better than the weirdo coach he is with now who takes pictures of him all the time and talks about endorphin control.

Edited by TheDarkOne, 23 July 2012 - 01:43 PM.

[scratchswinger]

TheDarkOne, on 23 July 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

It's strange when you think that the "process," has lasted longer than most players entire college careers.
I've said it before and I shall again, the Haney years were the best. It's to bad he couldn't have met Foley first, then Hank. At this point in his life, after everything he has been through, I bet he could have developed a very cool friendship with Hank and had unlimited success. It would have been a lot better than the weirdo coach he is with now who takes pictures of him all the time and talks about endorphin control.

The bold section is 100% false.

[JaxBeachNole]

moonshine, on 23 July 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

His driving stats are much improved and ocean course has very wide fairways. Don't see nearly the same challenge as he just faced.

He hates Pete Dye courses though, granted he has won on them before

[Ranger Rick]

JaxBeachNole, on 23 July 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

moonshine, on 23 July 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

His driving stats are much improved and ocean course has very wide fairways. Don't see nearly the same challenge as he just faced.

He hates Pete Dye courses though, granted he has won on them before

Mind you this isn't 100% typical Dye target golf like Sawgrass and Whistling Straits. I think it could play like an Open done American style. Also August should mean the course is hot and baked out, meaning driver becomes less of a factor. To me it is still about the short irons though.

Back to the topic. TW to end at No 1, win FedEx cup.

[Lamo70]

How Luke Donald remains at #1 is beyond comprehension...

[tbowles411]

JaxBeachNole, on 23 July 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

moonshine, on 23 July 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

His driving stats are much improved and ocean course has very wide fairways. Don't see nearly the same challenge as he just faced.

He hates Pete Dye courses though, granted he has won on them before

I hate Pete Dye courses too.  I think he's the devil.

[JaxBeachNole]

Lamo70, on 23 July 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

How Luke Donald remains at #1 is beyond comprehension...

Science

[tbowles411]

JaxBeachNole, on 23 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Lamo70, on 23 July 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

How Luke Donald remains at #1 is beyond comprehension...

Science

Calculus!  

[n3putts]

tbowles411, on 23 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

JaxBeachNole, on 23 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Lamo70, on 23 July 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

How Luke Donald remains at #1 is beyond comprehension...

Science

Calculus!  

Speaking Russian in French!

[svccmember]

cdnglf, on 23 July 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

MileHighClub, on 23 July 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

The OWGR is meaningless to me.  Woods is leading the money list and that makes him #1 on my view.

The OWGR may have some faults, but its miles better than the money list, which effectively:
a. considers all regular field events to be (more or less) equal
b. ranks WGC wins above major wins
c. completely ignores results outside of the PGA Tour

Unfortunately it rewards players who play less than 20 times/year or 40 times over two years with the stupid divisor. It should be using the maximum divisor until 52 events are played and then use the best 40 events over the last two years.

Since Tiger plays basically the fewest tournaments of any top player he benefits greatly from the format. Tiger can miss the cut at a WGC event and it won't hurt is OWGR.

[tbowles411]

n3putts, on 23 July 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

tbowles411, on 23 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

JaxBeachNole, on 23 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Science

Calculus!  

Speaking Russian in French!

You win!

[svccmember]

TheDarkOne, on 23 July 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

It's strange when you think that the "process," has lasted longer than most players entire college careers.
I've said it before and I shall again, the Haney years were the best. It's to bad he couldn't have met Foley first, then Hank. At this point in his life, after everything he has been through, I bet he could have developed a very cool friendship with Hank and had unlimited success. It would have been a lot better than the weirdo coach he is with now who takes pictures of him all the time and talks about endorphin control.

folez.jpg

Process? Really? No disrespect here but remove the flat brim slowly.....

I still have to question why anyone thinks its anything but Wood's putting here and now. He won what 5/6 tournaments with a torn ACL in 2007, and the US Open on a broken leg.

Lets acknowledge he was no doubt the best putter ever in the modern era from 1997 to 2009. His putting is no where as good as it was, which was untouchable. We can question the stupidity of hitting 200 + yard approaches somehow being better than 100 yd approaches. His strategy at the Open was flawed given how many putts he missed for birdie, I think closer to the hole is better isn't it? He can win without his driver and did so at places like St Andrews, however, putting the way he is right now he isn't going to win any major. When he does, it will be because he putted the best that week which is usually how it happens every week on Tour.

I find it amazing that no one truly recognizes what separated him from everyone over the years, his putting. The highlight is nothing if he misses the putt.

[cdnglf]

svccmember, on 23 July 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

cdnglf, on 23 July 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

MileHighClub, on 23 July 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

The OWGR is meaningless to me.  Woods is leading the money list and that makes him #1 on my view.

The OWGR may have some faults, but its miles better than the money list, which effectively:
a. considers all regular field events to be (more or less) equal
b. ranks WGC wins above major wins
c. completely ignores results outside of the PGA Tour

Unfortunately it rewards players who play less than 20 times/year or 40 times over two years with the stupid divisor. It should be using the maximum divisor until 52 events are played and then use the best 40 events over the last two years.

Since Tiger plays basically the fewest tournaments of any top player he benefits greatly from the format. Tiger can miss the cut at a WGC event and it won't hurt is OWGR.

It certainly doesn't "reward" players who play less than 40 events, because 40 is the minimum divisor. It could be argued that it doesn't reward quantity of play enough - someone who maintains a standard of play over 50 events probably should be ranked higher than someone who maintains the same level of play over 40 events.

There are no cuts in WGC events.

Edited by cdnglf, 23 July 2012 - 02:50 PM.

[Dayton]

OGWR is the most meaningless stat in all of sport.

[hogans71]

tbowles411, on 23 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

JaxBeachNole, on 23 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Lamo70, on 23 July 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

How Luke Donald remains at #1 is beyond comprehension...

Science

Calculus!  

Simplest of arithmetic...

[Ty_Webb]

svccmember, on 23 July 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

cdnglf, on 23 July 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

MileHighClub, on 23 July 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

The OWGR is meaningless to me.  Woods is leading the money list and that makes him #1 on my view.

The OWGR may have some faults, but its miles better than the money list, which effectively:
a. considers all regular field events to be (more or less) equal
b. ranks WGC wins above major wins
c. completely ignores results outside of the PGA Tour

Unfortunately it rewards players who play less than 20 times/year or 40 times over two years with the stupid divisor. It should be using the maximum divisor until 52 events are played and then use the best 40 events over the last two years.

Since Tiger plays basically the fewest tournaments of any top player he benefits greatly from the format. Tiger can miss the cut at a WGC event and it won't hurt is OWGR.

I think it's hilarious how you can misunderstand the impact of the minimum divisor so greatly and then in your next post suggest that someone else needs to remove their hat slowly. Way to go.

Incidentally, you're wrong about his putting as well. His putting was better than most other players on tour, but it was his long game that differentiated him more. Witness this: http://www.columbia....ie_20110408.pdf - take particular note of table 1 on page 18 which breaks out where he gains the most shots over pga tour fields. Table 5 shows these numbers by year. In no year (between 2003 and 2010) is Tiger's strokes gained putting and strokes gained short game combined as high as his strokes gained long game number. Over those 8 years, Tiger was about 3 shots a round better than the average player (that's how you dominate) and of those 3 shots, 2 of them were long game related.

[tbowles411]

hogans71, on 23 July 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

tbowles411, on 23 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

JaxBeachNole, on 23 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Science

Calculus!  

Simplest of arithmetic...

OK that's just crazy talk!

[ron lefthanded holmes]

justinp766, on 23 July 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

You take that triple bogey away from him in the bunker and he might as well been in a playoff with els and scott.

and if scott had pared the last 4 holes tiger would of been even further behind,you see what happened there

[SwooshLT]

moonshine, on 23 July 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

His driving stats are much improved and ocean course has very wide fairways. Don't see nearly the same challenge as he just faced.

THIS!!!

[Golfnutgalen]

TheDarkOne, on 23 July 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

It's strange when you think that the "process," has lasted longer than most players entire college careers.
I've said it before and I shall again, the Haney years were the best. It's to bad he couldn't have met Foley first, then Hank. At this point in his life, after everything he has been through, I bet he could have developed a very cool friendship with Hank and had unlimited success. It would have been a lot better than the weirdo coach he is with now who takes pictures of him all the time and talks about endorphin control.

That's one thing we both agree with. I wish more people would look at the numbers and just admit it. For 3 consecutive years (06-08) he was first in GIR and consequently won half the events he entered (19/37). Sure he didn't hit many fairways, but he was longer and more accurate off the tee those years (302.7, 59.87%) than Phil (298.2, 56.94) and Ernie (294.9, 57.16) and hit a lot more drivers and 3-woods than he does today. His years before and after weren't bad either winning 6 events during both (12/38).

Edited by Golfnutgalen, 23 July 2012 - 03:39 PM.

[hogans71]

tbowles411, on 23 July 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

hogans71, on 23 July 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

tbowles411, on 23 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Calculus!  

Simplest of arithmetic...

OK that's just crazy talk!

C'mon T!  

[bscinstnct]

SwooshLT, on 23 July 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

moonshine, on 23 July 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

His driving stats are much improved and ocean course has very wide fairways. Don't see nearly the same challenge as he just faced.

THIS!!!

Based on that protracer of one of the few drivers he hit on Sunday

Tiger should have no problem finding

the ocean

Edited by bscinstnct, 23 July 2012 - 03:42 PM.

[bepo]

This major just proves that Tiger only knows how to win while being the front runner. Jack would have easily won this by playing to his number, not gamble the tournament away like Tiger did. Posting -8/-9 should have been his goal and he should have accepted placing second if AS played well. There was no way he was going to win if AS shot even par but somehow Tiger thought he could

[dangolf]

bepo, on 23 July 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

This major just proves that Tiger only knows how to win while being the front runner. Jack would have easily won this by playing to his number, not gamble the tournament away like Tiger did. Posting -8/-9 should have been his goal and he should have accepted placing second if AS played well. There was no way he was going to win if AS shot even par but somehow Tiger thought he could

i think tiger would have won easily the 19 times jack finished 2nd in a major.

how can anyone possible know that.

[lsugolf1105]

bepo, on 23 July 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

This major just proves that Tiger only knows how to win while being the front runner. Jack would have easily won this by playing to his number, not gamble the tournament away like Tiger did. Posting -8/-9 should have been his goal and he should have accepted placing second if AS played well. There was no way he was going to win if AS shot even par but somehow Tiger thought he could

21 tour wins coming from behind says otherwise.  

also, you do realize he has won coming from behind in the last round of a major. trailed bob may in 2000 pga a couple of times in the last round.  also came back at 2005 masters when trailing going into sunday.

[Pit_Man]

Tiger is clearly #1 right now.  But he's the 2nd best Tiger (a distant 2nd) we have seen so it's easy to have cloudy judgement.

[Bellyhungry]

Question is: which of those behind Luke and Tiger will make a charge to the top spot?

[tbowles411]

Bellyhungry, on 23 July 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Question is: which of those behind Luke and Tiger will make a charge to the top spot?

Great question. I think it's too early to tell really. There are so many good guys behind them. Not to cast stones but I really think that Tiger will overtake Luke eventually unless he can reel off a couple wins to get some distance.

If you want a guess from me guys to look out for? I say Ernie, Hunter Mahan and Zach Johnson.

Edited by tbowles411, 23 July 2012 - 06:24 PM.

[ap1_alan]

svccmember, on 23 July 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Unfortunately it rewards players who play less than 20 times/year or 40 times over two years with the stupid divisor. It should be using the maximum divisor until 52 events are played and then use the best 40 events over the last two years.

Since Tiger plays basically the fewest tournaments of any top player he benefits greatly from the format. Tiger can miss the cut at a WGC event and it won't hurt is OWGR.

This is 100% false.  Please brush up on your math