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[Pert1862]

One_Putt_Blunder, on 19 July 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

It has been this way since I have been here as well. After a while you learn to avoid the following types of threads
Tiger
Cameron vs
Bettinardi vs
Westwood
Us vs.Uk
Distance and talent related claims
How far do you hit X club
Can I take a pro v from the range bucket (blast from the past there)

In large this site is great and provides tons of legit knowledge talent and help if you look in the right places, as it grows the troll to genuine poster ratio will grow as well.

a personal fav of mine.

[RRFireblade]

Yeah it's always been like that. It's also like that on any other forums. It's a pretty typical internet phenomenon I wouldnt let it bother  you.

[MelloYello]

What happens is that people don't want to actually reach the logical end of their information argument.

Some well-intentioned and caring poster says, 'I don't think anyone above a ___ handicap can claim to be a great ball-striker' and the response he gets is...

'Oh, so I guess I'm a terrible player who should give up the game, huh? You don't know me! You shouldn't judge me! I might be Ben Hogan for all you know! What right do you have to tell me I'm not great!'


People are so touchy and so quick to try that elementary school debate class tactic of making your so-called 'opponent' look stupid, biased and hypocritical that they don't realize they undermine the entire discussion and turn it into a useless back-and-forth between extremes.

To enter a real debate you must first be willing to accept you might lose or actually might be wrong about something. When ego enters that arena and people aren't wiling to test the limits of their information argument no real debate can exist.

Those emotionally-charged responses make intelligent posters leave forums and in general make it nearly impossible to maintain civilized discourse. Again, people don't want to reach the end of their limited knowledge, admit it and start learning from more experienced players. It's a lot easier to state base-less opinions.


Always remember...opinions are worthless. Opinions come from a mind without explicit, factual knowledge. If you have an opinion on something based on facts, that's not an opinion. That's perspective! Don't mistake the two. They are different. It takes actual positive force and work to create perspective because no one hands you knowledge, you must earn it while any Tom, Dick or Harry sitting on his couch can have unlimited opinions about an unlimited number of things without lifting a finger!

Edited by MelloYello, 20 July 2012 - 01:22 PM.

[butch33611]

anth, on 19 July 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

You're entitled to your own opinion, just not your own facts.

I reject your reality and substitute it with my own!!!


A long time internet site is like a huge disfuctional family. Most families are made of normal people but just about in every family these's the cousin or brother who is different from the rest and nobody wants to be around. Family reunions will have a few. Multiply that by the number of members here and there ya are. For the most part people here are normal and the discussions are great. Then the drunkin brother in law walks in the door and the problems start. Or your brother's know it all kid decides to put his 2 cents into the conversation and of course he has to be right and everyone else is wrong.

Yep, Just one big happy family.

It is what it is and it aint goinna change one bit.

[m2daRizzle]

I have been on the forums since early 2008 and although I am not an overly active poster I log on at least once a day to browse content.  Since I have frequented the site I have noticed that the overly offensive and argumentative posts come and go depending on the active posters at the time.  Also I have noticed that the tone a thread takes and how it plays out is often determined by the first post or two.  It would be a fun experiment to have two identical threads on separate forums with differnt second posts, one negative and one positive, to see how radically different those threads would turn out.

By profession I am a teacher of middle school students and the behavior I see in some threads reminds me of how my students interact with each other.  If the most outspoken student (or poster) is positive, then everyone else is mostly poitive, and if the most outspoken is negative, then everyone else is mostly Negative.

I tend to not take myself to seriously and genearlly only post if I have a question or I am trying to joke around.  I think everyone would be better served to not take what they or others post too seriously.  If someone is being overly negative, then just ignore it and let it die.  If someone posts something unbelievable, dont call them out, just move on to another thread.  I tell my studetns all the time that it is great to stand up for what you believe in or for the rights of others, but sometimes people who think they are doing the right thing just make it worse.  I also tell my studetns that if they see something overly offensive or dangerous then they should alert an adult immediately.  I think posters here should do the same by reporting offensive posts to the mods and then simply moving on.

But the most important thing all poster should do in my opinion is have fun with this site.  I personally come to this site to unwind and read some intersting or funny posts and quite frankly the negative posts all ruin that a bit for me.  I am sure others feel the same way I do.  So if all of you dont start behaving I am going to call your parents and give you after school detention.

[pu_golf88]

MileHighClub, on 19 July 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

It's been that way ever since I joined.......hmm......maybe it's my fault.

ditto

[SurfinTurf]

m2daRizzle, on 20 July 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

I have been on the forums since early 2008 and although I am not an overly active poster I log on at least once a day to browse content.  Since I have frequented the site I have noticed that the overly offensive and argumentative posts come and go depending on the active posters at the time.  Also I have noticed that the tone a thread takes and how it plays out is often determined by the first post or two.  It would be a fun experiment to have two identical threads on separate forums with differnt second posts, one negative and one positive, to see how radically different those threads would turn out.

By profession I am a teacher of middle school students and the behavior I see in some threads reminds me of how my students interact with each other.  If the most outspoken student (or poster) is positive, then everyone else is mostly poitive, and if the most outspoken is negative, then everyone else is mostly Negative.

I tend to not take myself to seriously and genearlly only post if I have a question or I am trying to joke around.  I think everyone would be better served to not take what they or others post too seriously.  If someone is being overly negative, then just ignore it and let it die.  If someone posts something unbelievable, dont call them out, just move on to another thread.  I tell my studetns all the time that it is great to stand up for what you believe in or for the rights of others, but sometimes people who think they are doing the right thing just make it worse.  I also tell my studetns that if they see something overly offensive or dangerous then they should alert an adult immediately.  I think posters here should do the same by reporting offensive posts to the mods and then simply moving on.

But the most important thing all poster should do in my opinion is have fun with this site.  I personally come to this site to unwind and read some intersting or funny posts and quite frankly the negative posts all ruin that a bit for me.  I am sure others feel the same way I do.  So if all of you dont start behaving I am going to call your parents and give you after school detention.

You've made some very strong points here. I'd like you to correct the spelling and grammar errors I've indicated above and resubmit. Again, you're doing a good job and I think you have a great deal of potential.

B+

[flanker25]

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

m2daRizzle, on 20 July 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

But the most important thing all poster should do in my opinion is have fun with this site.  I personally come to this site to unwind and read some intersting or funny posts and quite frankly the negative posts all ruin that a bit for me.  I am sure others feel the same way I do.  So if all of you dont start behaving I am going to call your parents and give you after school detention.

You've made some very strong points here. I'd like you to correct the spelling and grammar errors I've indicated above and resubmit. Again, you're doing a good job and I think you have a great deal of potential.

B+

And..... this is how it happens

[SurfinTurf]

flanker25, on 20 July 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

m2daRizzle, on 20 July 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

But the most important thing all poster should do in my opinion is have fun with this site.  I personally come to this site to unwind and read some intersting or funny posts and quite frankly the negative posts all ruin that a bit for me.  I am sure others feel the same way I do.  So if all of you dont start behaving I am going to call your parents and give you after school detention.

You've made some very strong points here. I'd like you to correct the spelling and grammar errors I've indicated above and resubmit. Again, you're doing a good job and I think you have a great deal of potential.

B+

And..... this is how it happens

No, just having fun. Actually very interesting about the tone of the thread. I suspect he's right.

[flanker25]

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

No, just having fun. Actually very interesting about the tone of the thread. I suspect he's right.

I know you were just joking around, but knowing the original poster had said they were a teacher would have made me think twice about a post correcting grammar.  I am a bit sensitive when someone questions my ability to perform in my chosen field, so I could see how that could be misinterpreted (not to say it would have been).

[SurfinTurf]

flanker25, on 20 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

No, just having fun. Actually very interesting about the tone of the thread. I suspect he's right.

I know you were just joking around, but knowing the original poster had said they were a teacher would have made me think twice about a post correcting grammar.  I am a bit sensitive when someone questions my ability to perform in my chosen field, so I could see how that could be misinterpreted (not to say it would have been).

Then my apologies. Do we really care about spelling around here? I didn't think so.

Edited by SurfinTurf, 20 July 2012 - 05:03 PM.

[Thrillhouse]

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

flanker25, on 20 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

No, just having fun. Actually very interesting about the tone of the thread. I suspect he's right.

I know you were just joking around, but knowing the original poster had said they were a teacher would have made me think twice about a post correcting grammar.  I am a bit sensitive when someone questions my ability to perform in my chosen field, so I could see how that could be misinterpreted (not to say it would have been).

Then my apologies. Do we really care about spelling around here? I didn't think so.

Seriously, I teach a class about "laying the Mack down" at the local JC and if the situation existed where another party questioned my ability to lay the Mack down things would not end well for the other party let me tell you.

[WildDog06]

Thrillhouse, on 20 July 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Seriously, I teach a class about "laying the Mack down" at the local JC and if the situation existed where another party questioned my ability to lay the Mack down things would not end well for the other party let me tell you.

Thrillhouse has a very quick transition between laying the Mack down and laying the Smackdown.

[greens hit]

flanker25, on 20 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

No, just having fun. Actually very interesting about the tone of the thread. I suspect he's right.

I know you were just joking around, but knowing the original poster had said they were a teacher would have made me think twice about a post correcting grammar.  I am a bit sensitive when someone questions my ability to perform in my chosen field, so I could see how that could be misinterpreted (not to say it would have been).

I don't think the OP is or ever was a teacher.  Isn't he a JR Boomer?

[m2daRizzle]

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

m2daRizzle, on 20 July 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

I have been on the forums since early 2008 and although I am not an overly active poster I log on at least once a day to browse content.  Since I have frequented the site I have noticed that the overly offensive and argumentative posts come and go depending on the active posters at the time.  Also I have noticed that the tone a thread takes and how it plays out is often determined by the first post or two.  It would be a fun experiment to have two identical threads on separate forums with differnt second posts, one negative and one positive, to see how radically different those threads would turn out.

By profession I am a teacher of middle school students and the behavior I see in some threads reminds me of how my students interact with each other.  If the most outspoken student (or poster) is positive, then everyone else is mostly poitive, and if the most outspoken is negative, then everyone else is mostly Negative.

I tend to not take myself to seriously and genearlly only post if I have a question or I am trying to joke around.  I think everyone would be better served to not take what they or others post too seriously.  If someone is being overly negative, then just ignore it and let it die.  If someone posts something unbelievable, dont call them out, just move on to another thread.  I tell my studetns all the time that it is great to stand up for what you believe in or for the rights of others, but sometimes people who think they are doing the right thing just make it worse.  I also tell my studetns that if they see something overly offensive or dangerous then they should alert an adult immediately.  I think posters here should do the same by reporting offensive posts to the mods and then simply moving on.

But the most important thing all poster should do in my opinion is have fun with this site.  I personally come to this site to unwind and read some intersting or funny posts and quite frankly the negative posts all ruin that a bit for me.  I am sure others feel the same way I do.  So if all of you dont start behaving I am going to call your parents and give you after school detention.

You've made some very strong points here. I'd like you to correct the spelling and grammar errors I've indicated above and resubmit. Again, you're doing a good job and I think you have a great deal of potential.

B+

LOL there is a reason I teach science.  It is pathetic that I can tell you gobs of scientific information but can barely type a coherent sentence.

Edited by m2daRizzle, 20 July 2012 - 06:17 PM.

[SurfinTurf]

m2daRizzle, on 20 July 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

LOL there is a reason I teach science.  It is pathetic that I can tell you gobs of scientific information but can barely type a coherent sentence.

[MadGolfer76]

Am I one of the grumpy guys, or the helpful guys? Or somewhere in between?

[Pepperturbo]

SurfinTurf, on 20 July 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

m2daRizzle, on 20 July 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

I have been on the forums since early 2008 and although I am not an overly active poster I log on at least once a day to browse content.  Since I have frequented the site I have noticed that the overly offensive and argumentative posts come and go depending on the active posters at the time.  Also I have noticed that the tone a thread takes and how it plays out is often determined by the first post or two.  It would be a fun experiment to have two identical threads on separate forums with differnt second posts, one negative and one positive, to see how radically different those threads would turn out.

By profession I am a teacher of middle school students and the behavior I see in some threads reminds me of how my students interact with each other.  If the most outspoken student (or poster) is positive, then everyone else is mostly poitive, and if the most outspoken is negative, then everyone else is mostly Negative.

I tend to not take myself to seriously and genearlly only post if I have a question or I am trying to joke around.  I think everyone would be better served to not take what they or others post too seriously.  If someone is being overly negative, then just ignore it and let it die.  If someone posts something unbelievable, dont call them out, just move on to another thread.  I tell my studetns all the time that it is great to stand up for what you believe in or for the rights of others, but sometimes people who think they are doing the right thing just make it worse.  I also tell my studetns that if they see something overly offensive or dangerous then they should alert an adult immediately.  I think posters here should do the same by reporting offensive posts to the mods and then simply moving on.

But the most important thing all poster should do in my opinion is have fun with this site.  I personally come to this site to unwind and read some intersting or funny posts and quite frankly the negative posts all ruin that a bit for me.  I am sure others feel the same way I do.  So if all of you dont start behaving I am going to call your parents and give you after school detention.

You've made some very strong points here. I'd like you to correct the spelling and grammar errors I've indicated above and resubmit. Again, you're doing a good job and I think you have a great deal of potential.

B+

ROFLMAO

[wolfpack]

*sharpens keyboard warrior sword*

*cracks knuckles*

*sets new personal record on A-S-D-F training program*

*puts on Won't Back Down by Tom Petty*

*opens Capri Sun... second one on ice*

*Waiting in darkness*

[golfingchuck]

Come at me Bro!  

[MtlJeff]

i've been a member here 4-5 years now and everyone who joins thinks "it's getting worse" after about a year on the site. It's not. It's always the same. The website is what it is (Golly, a Tiger-ism), it's a great place to talk golf as long as you know who to avoid and who not to engage with. The majority of people here are great guys, and if you are getting into a lot of fights, chances are you are as much the problem as the other guy.

There's a guy on the site who hates me, he's responded to 6-7 of my posts with the most ridiculous hyperbole you can imagine. I just don't respond. When you feel the need to engage someone it rarely has positive consequences. Some people come here looking for fights. On the internet, more so then in real life, it takes 2 people to fight. You want to make the website a better place don't be one of those people.

But who are we kidding? There will always be bad apples. Just enjoy the site for what it is

[belligerentgene]

"You're entitled to your own opinion, just not your own facts."

That's a great line... Will definitely use that one out in the near future

Edited by belligerentgene, 20 July 2012 - 09:53 PM.

[Thrillhouse]

MtlJeff, on 20 July 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

i've been a member here 4-5 years now and everyone who joins thinks "it's getting worse" after about a year on the site. It's not. It's always the same. The website is what it is (Golly, a Tiger-ism), it's a great place to talk golf as long as you know who to avoid and who not to engage with. The majority of people here are great guys, and if you are getting into a lot of fights, chances are you are as much the problem as the other guy.

There's a guy on the site who hates me, he's responded to 6-7 of my posts with the most ridiculous hyperbole you can imagine. I just don't respond. When you feel the need to engage someone it rarely has positive consequences. Some people come here looking for fights. On the internet, more so then in real life, it takes 2 people to fight. You want to make the website a better place don't be one of those people.

But who are we kidding? There will always be bad apples. Just enjoy the site for what it is

SCREW YOU MTLJEFF! YOU THINK YOU KNOW THE RIEMANNIAN MANIFOLD BUT YOU HAVE NO IDEA!

[inthefairway]

What!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stretch]

butch33611, on 20 July 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

Then the drunkin brother in law walks in the door and the problems start.

Leave me out of this, man!

PS: Living with your sister has been like playing the same 670 yard par 5 every day for 20 years.

[SurfinTurf]

inthefairway, on 21 July 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

What!!!!!!!!!!!!

"There's a guy on the site who hates me" = Thrillhouse.  There's some bad Canadian blood there and I wouldn't get involved.

But for the record Bernhard Riemann is DA MAN and MtlJeff aint got the foggiest.

[SurfinTurf]

MadGolfer76, on 20 July 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

Am I one of the grumpy guys, or the helpful guys? Or somewhere in between?

I don't know man. You're like really helpful for 3 weeks outta the month. Then you get sooooooo DAMN GRUMPY. I'm always like where the F**K is this coming from?

























Just kidding Bro   Just kidding


Golfingchuck, you're next.

Edited by SurfinTurf, 21 July 2012 - 02:39 PM.

[nbg352]

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
It's the doubting thomas in me that makes me ask for evidence when I sense there may be none at hand. It is my Irish blood that fires my fingers at times and I make no apology for it here. (Though I have found myself apologizing in a few threads, I daresay)
People who read here deserve information that is true and correct and I find myself angered when opinion that does not represent some semblance of reality, is swallowed hook line and sinker by those who don't know. I somehow feel that that is wrong.
Without trying to excuse any of my words that may have hurt, I shall try to become more of a model citizen.
There! They say confession is good for the soul and boy,I feel great!

[MtlJeff]

Thrillhouse, on 20 July 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

MtlJeff, on 20 July 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

i've been a member here 4-5 years now and everyone who joins thinks "it's getting worse" after about a year on the site. It's not. It's always the same. The website is what it is (Golly, a Tiger-ism), it's a great place to talk golf as long as you know who to avoid and who not to engage with. The majority of people here are great guys, and if you are getting into a lot of fights, chances are you are as much the problem as the other guy.

There's a guy on the site who hates me, he's responded to 6-7 of my posts with the most ridiculous hyperbole you can imagine. I just don't respond. When you feel the need to engage someone it rarely has positive consequences. Some people come here looking for fights. On the internet, more so then in real life, it takes 2 people to fight. You want to make the website a better place don't be one of those people.

But who are we kidding? There will always be bad apples. Just enjoy the site for what it is

SCREW YOU MTLJEFF! YOU THINK YOU KNOW THE RIEMANNIAN MANIFOLD BUT YOU HAVE NO IDEA!

yeah i meant you! you're going down thrillhouse!

[KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE]

Onewaggle, on 19 July 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

Rodney King couldn't get everyone to get along.

Is that why he spent the majority of his life as a common criminal?????