133 replies to this topic

[thatboygaule]

saw a fellow golfwrxer talking bout an r11x coming out in july, is this a load of nonsense or what?

[superswo23]

+1

[TheMoneyShot]

It would not surprise me if they did.  After all, TM is the king of churning equipment.

[corky]

its 5 minutes from the last release so i say yes

[J13]

don't know about any R11x but if they did it would certainly be a great driver like they always are.

[2659edward]

I always thought a R11 SuperTri or Super Deep was in the works last year....maybe this year?

[bigmoneyp]

J13, on 02 June 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

don't know about any R11x but if they did it would certainly be a great driver like they always are.

Always?

[TheMoneyShot]

2659edward, on 02 June 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

I always thought a R11 SuperTri or Super Deep was in the works last year....maybe this year?

Now that would be sweet if they released a R11SD.  I doubt they will though.

[MCoz]

Actually

TheMoneyShot, on 02 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

2659edward, on 02 June 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

I always thought a R11 SuperTri or Super Deep was in the works last year....maybe this year?

Now that would be sweet if they released a R11SD.  I doubt they will though.

Actually the RBZ Tour is about as deep as the older Super Deep. But that doesn't make up for one in the R11 family. The R11S is more similar to the SuperTri in head and face dimensions.

[Late4ttime]

Really?! Their marketing department is great, but how long will TM's fan base tolerate "renting" a $400 driver.

TM: thanks for buying the R11- but now it's obsolete because after 6 mos- we now have the R11s-  thanks for another $400, sorry for the $100 trade in value on your R11- dude it's been 6mos already- give me that $100 R11s and you'll only owe $300 for the new and improved R11xdswl guaranteed to be the longest straightest driver we've ever made! Well at least for 6 mos, until the new R11rdtfds comes out through a new partnership with 7-11, the shaft comes filled with a slurpee of your choice!

AND that doesn't include the RBZ line or the Dicks exclusive! I would think that their customer base would eventually get tired of it.

Late-

Edited by Late4ttime, 03 June 2012 - 02:17 AM.

[Myherobobhope]

TaylorMade hatred/love is amusing to me... they are a company and have a marketing strategy... it has clearly been working for them.

If they didn't make competitive* equipment, people wouldn't buy it.
If people didn't buy their constant releases, they would not continue to do it.

*Sometimes competitive is more about price than design... I'm willing to be some people LOVE the Burner 3... it's not designed for gearheads, it's designed for people who shop for golf equipment at Dicks.

Their marketing annoys me, but I just don't buy their products. I've tried most of their stuff out curiosity, but was not enamored with any of it.

Oh well.

I have not heard of the R11x, but it seems like a logical name for their newest offering... I don't think they are done with the R11 name as R12 sounds weird to me, and R13 probably won't ever happen.

Edited by Myherobobhope, 03 June 2012 - 07:53 AM.

[lukesmurf59]

I suppose a superdeep version would be pretty cool but seems unlikely.  maybe they could release the dot versions to the public? I have never been able to try one but would like to.  If they released this as the R11x I would like to try it.  If it worked, buy one, paint it black and hit the first tee.  I don't expect them to release anything.  What will happen is the same thing with the R9.
In 2007 they released the R7 (a bunch of models)
In 2008 they released the R7 Superquad
In 2009 they released the R9, R9 TP and R9 460.
In 2010 they released the R9 Supertri, R9 Supertri TP and Superdeep TP.
In 2011 they released the R11 and R11 TP.
In 2012 they released the R11s and R11s TP.

In odd numbered years they introduce a new line named R-year#.
The following year they release a variation/expansion of that R line  "superquad" "supertri" and "s"
This means they will not release a new R series driver until 2013 which will be called the R13.
The expansion seems to always be more adjustable and they like to use S.

Why all the speculation when we already know what is coming?

[KYMAR]

Late4ttime, on 03 June 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Really?! Their marketing department is great, but how long will TM's fan base tolerate "renting" a $400 driver.

TM: thanks for buying the R11- but now it's obsolete because after 6 mos- we now have the R11s-  thanks for another $400, sorry for the $100 trade in value on your R11- dude it's been 6mos already- give me that $100 R11s and you'll only owe $300 for the new and improved R11xdswl guaranteed to be the longest straightest driver we've ever made! Well at least for 6 mos, until the new R11rdtfds comes out through a new partnership with 7-11, the shaft comes filled with a slurpee of your choice!

AND that doesn't include the RBZ line or the Dicks exclusive! I would think that their customer base would eventually get tired of it.

Late-

Great rant. Really original thinking! You obviously don't care for their business model or their clubs. Why not just move on? I find it so amusing that success breeds such contempt. I recently just picked up a superfast 2.0 TP and it's the only TM club in my Bag right now so I am no brand loyalist. I just find these criticisms to be so short sighted. Why bother opening the thread if an R11X is something you have no interest in? BTW, per the PGA value guide. The trade in value of Ping G20 is 127.XX and the R11TP, released the same year, is 113.XX

Edited by KYMAR, 03 June 2012 - 11:12 AM.

[simple36]

KYMAR, on 03 June 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Late4ttime, on 03 June 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Really?! Their marketing department is great, but how long will TM's fan base tolerate "renting" a $400 driver.

TM: thanks for buying the R11- but now it's obsolete because after 6 mos- we now have the R11s-  thanks for another $400, sorry for the $100 trade in value on your R11- dude it's been 6mos already- give me that $100 R11s and you'll only owe $300 for the new and improved R11xdswl guaranteed to be the longest straightest driver we've ever made! Well at least for 6 mos, until the new R11rdtfds comes out through a new partnership with 7-11, the shaft comes filled with a slurpee of your choice!

AND that doesn't include the RBZ line or the Dicks exclusive! I would think that their customer base would eventually get tired of it.

Late-

Great rant. Really original thinking! You obviously don't care for their business model or their clubs. Why not just move on? I find it so amusing that success breeds such contempt. I recently just picked up a superfast 2.0 TP and it's the only TM club in my Bag right now so I am no brand loyalist. I just find these criticisms to be so short sighted. Why bother opening the thread if an R11X is something you have no interest in? BTW, per the PGA value guide. The trade in value of Ping G20 is 127.XX and the R11TP, released the same year, is 113.XX

Yes but TM has made some clubs that are terrible clubs, *coughsuperfastcough*. The thing is they come out with clubs that are similar to the last club they put out 6 months ago. Wheras a brand like ping has a 2 year product cycle and really cares about putting out a quality product. Granted both TM and Ping have had great clubs and bad clubs but I still will never play anything more than a TM ball.

[lightningbolt444]

I really think the TM hating on their product cycle is funny. The releases are broken down in a post above. All the drivers fit a certain type of player released in the same year. I dont think 2-3 drivers a year is that extreme. Adams before they were with TaylorMade seemed to release WAY more than TM. Ping we know is on a two year cycle same with Titleist. Callaway releases more or about the same amount of drivers than TaylorMade on average I would bet.

TaylorMade is a marketing machine so when they have a new product you know about it. However that does not mean they have an extreme product cycle when comparing to the rest of the industry. They are just better at letting the public know about it.

Ask any golfer what RBZ is and most will know. They have only been out for less than 6 months and the golfing public already knows and knows the color scheme etc. Now ask the same golfer what is an XTD I bet most will not know.

I for one welcome the new drivers TaylorMade puts out because they seem to be extremely good at having models to fit certain types of players.

Edited by lightningbolt444, 03 June 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[KYMAR]

simple36, on 03 June 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

KYMAR, on 03 June 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Late4ttime, on 03 June 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Really?! Their marketing department is great, but how long will TM's fan base tolerate "renting" a $400 driver.

TM: thanks for buying the R11- but now it's obsolete because after 6 mos- we now have the R11s-  thanks for another $400, sorry for the $100 trade in value on your R11- dude it's been 6mos already- give me that $100 R11s and you'll only owe $300 for the new and improved R11xdswl guaranteed to be the longest straightest driver we've ever made! Well at least for 6 mos, until the new R11rdtfds comes out through a new partnership with 7-11, the shaft comes filled with a slurpee of your choice!

AND that doesn't include the RBZ line or the Dicks exclusive! I would think that their customer base would eventually get tired of it.

Late-

Great rant. Really original thinking! You obviously don't care for their business model or their clubs. Why not just move on? I find it so amusing that success breeds such contempt. I recently just picked up a superfast 2.0 TP and it's the only TM club in my Bag right now so I am no brand loyalist. I just find these criticisms to be so short sighted. Why bother opening the thread if an R11X is something you have no interest in? BTW, per the PGA value guide. The trade in value of Ping G20 is 127.XX and the R11TP, released the same year, is 113.XX

Yes but TM has made some clubs that are terrible clubs, *coughsuperfastcough*. The thing is they come out with clubs that are similar to the last club they put out 6 months ago. Wheras a brand like ping has a 2 year product cycle and really cares about putting out a quality product. Granted both TM and Ping have had great clubs and bad clubs but I still will never play anything more than a TM ball.

So wait, a 2 year product cycle for you is what determines a "quality product"? Explain that to me please. ever hit an I15 slightly off center? Talk about unforgiving junk. How does frequency of product release take away from the quality of the clubs in some inherent way? That's just a ridiculous suggestion and it exposes your bias. I have only experienced the SF 2.0 TP i have now but you are the first person i have seen refer to any of that line of drivers as terrible. This thing kicked out both my FT-9 tour and my 9015D. Straight, piercing drives that go forever.

[simple36]

Yeha Ping has had some terrible clubs as well but TM has had a lot more. You can either hit TM clubs amazing or you can't hit them at all. I happen to be a person who can't hit them at all. They are just not for me. 2 year product cycle does mean they put more time into their drivers and try to put out 3 high quality drivers ever two years instead of Tm putting out 8 drivers every two years. Look and Ping and Titleist and they have always made quality products wheras TM has had some really crappy products. All companies make crappy clubs but TM just seems to make more than other companies.

[Fornesto]

Taylormade used to be the only company I would consider buying new drivers from but the sound/feel has evolved to something very unpleasant for me. to consider their drivers again they would need to have something no other company has, or make something appealing. hopefully the r11x will be black and sound solid.

[MrTitleist2U]

Myherobobhope, on 03 June 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

TaylorMade hatred/love is amusing to me... they are a company and have a marketing strategy... it has clearly been working for them.

If they didn't make competitive* equipment, people wouldn't buy it.
If people didn't buy their constant releases, they would not continue to do it.

*Sometimes competitive is more about price than design... I'm willing to be some people LOVE the Burner 3... it's not designed for gearheads, it's designed for people who shop for golf equipment at Dicks.

Their marketing annoys me, but I just don't buy their products. I've tried most of their stuff out curiosity, but was not enamored with any of it.

Oh well.

I have not heard of the R11x, but it seems like a logical name for their newest offering... I don't think they are done with the R11 name as R12 sounds weird to me, and R13 probably won't ever happen.

Well I am not saying anything more that this.  Refer back to this thread when it comes out.  The R13 is the new driver that is coming out, and will be offered in white and matte black.  I have already seen it, and we will just leave it at that, no other details.

TMAG has them coming out to match the release years.

R7 = 2007
R9 = 2009
R11 = 2011
R13 = 2013

[MrTitleist2U]

lukesmurf59, on 03 June 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

I suppose a superdeep version would be pretty cool but seems unlikely.  maybe they could release the dot versions to the public? I have never been able to try one but would like to.  If they released this as the R11x I would like to try it.  If it worked, buy one, paint it black and hit the first tee.  I don't expect them to release anything.  What will happen is the same thing with the R9.
In 2007 they released the R7 (a bunch of models)
In 2008 they released the R7 Superquad
In 2009 they released the R9, R9 TP and R9 460.
In 2010 they released the R9 Supertri, R9 Supertri TP and Superdeep TP.
In 2011 they released the R11 and R11 TP.
In 2012 they released the R11s and R11s TP.

In odd numbered years they introduce a new line named R-year#.
The following year they release a variation/expansion of that R line  "superquad" "supertri" and "s"
This means they will not release a new R series driver until 2013 which will be called the R13.
The expansion seems to always be more adjustable and they like to use S.

Why all the speculation when we already know what is coming?

BINGO

[Myherobobhope]

I know nothing about TM's naming strategy other than what they've done in the past... I won't be suprised if they release an R13... I won't be suprised if they start a new brand name.

If you have insider knowledge, it's probably right... unless it isn't.

I think TM has positioned itself to get more market share by having unique driver models across the board... they have "something for everyone" which allows them to sell lots of each, which allows them economy of scale, which increases their profit margins, which allows them to pay more golfers, which increases their sales... The multiple products are part of their market strategy, and it's clearly been effective for them.

[KYMAR]

simple36, on 03 June 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Yeha Ping has had some terrible clubs as well but TM has had a lot more. You can either hit TM clubs amazing or you can't hit them at all. I happen to be a person who can't hit them at all. They are just not for me. 2 year product cycle does mean they put more time into their drivers and try to put out 3 high quality drivers ever two years instead of Tm putting out 8 drivers every two years. Look and Ping and Titleist and they have always made quality products wheras TM has had some really crappy products. All companies make crappy clubs but TM just seems to make more than other companies.

Do you really feel you have enough insight to know that how long each one of these companies takes to design a club head? Do you really think it takes 2 years? These claims are nonsense and aren't even the reasons Ping or Titleist would give you for their business model and product release schedule. Plus, most OEM's are working on designs now that are slated for release years into the future.  And when referring to TM and the clubs they release, keep in mind that those new clubs are directed at a certain market segments. I LOVE the choices they give the consumer. You seem to HATE that the consumer plays them at such an alarming rate. If the product sucked, was cheaply made, or didn't perform then it wouldn't matter if they released a new driver every other Friday. The fact is, most of the drivers being produced by the OEM's today are made from quality designs, quality materials and are backed by quality customer service. the idea that one company is inferior because they offer MORE choices and sell MORE than the others is rooted in envy IMO

[lightningbolt444]

simple36, on 03 June 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Yeha Ping has had some terrible clubs as well but TM has had a lot more. You can either hit TM clubs amazing or you can't hit them at all. I happen to be a person who can't hit them at all. They are just not for me. 2 year product cycle does mean they put more time into their drivers and try to put out 3 high quality drivers ever two years instead of Tm putting out 8 drivers every two years. Look and Ping and Titleist and they have always made quality products wheras TM has had some really crappy products. All companies make crappy clubs but TM just seems to make more than other companies.

Well if you want to look at it another way TaylorMade hits on a Higher Ratio of drivers than Ping or Titleist does. The Titleist 907 was ehhh same with the 909. The i15 was awful (if you miss the sweetspot).

I am all for the choices that TM allows. Have you ever been fit into their drivers? They work for some but not others just like every driver on the planet. The Ping G20 just does not work for me it does not make it a bad driver it just does not fit me.

[TheMoneyShot]

UGotHustled, on 03 June 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Myherobobhope, on 03 June 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

TaylorMade hatred/love is amusing to me... they are a company and have a marketing strategy... it has clearly been working for them.

If they didn't make competitive* equipment, people wouldn't buy it.
If people didn't buy their constant releases, they would not continue to do it.

*Sometimes competitive is more about price than design... I'm willing to be some people LOVE the Burner 3... it's not designed for gearheads, it's designed for people who shop for golf equipment at Dicks.

Their marketing annoys me, but I just don't buy their products. I've tried most of their stuff out curiosity, but was not enamored with any of it.

Oh well.

I have not heard of the R11x, but it seems like a logical name for their newest offering... I don't think they are done with the R11 name as R12 sounds weird to me, and R13 probably won't ever happen.

Well I am not saying anything more that this.  Refer back to this thread when it comes out.  The R13 is the new driver that is coming out, and will be offered in white and matte black.  I have already seen it, and we will just leave it at that, no other details.

TMAG has them coming out to match the release years.

R7 = 2007
R9 = 2009
R11 = 2011
R13 = 2013

So cruel man, so cruel...

[MrTitleist2U]

Will be worth the wait. I was not supposed to see it, but my prying eyes gravitated to it, I asked many questions about it of which almost none got answered.  It will get leaked out 4-5 months before it's release like any new release.  You will see them hee first most likely at crazy prices.  I hope to be fullfilling those buyers needs that will pay 3 to 4 times it's price to have it "First"

[Late4ttime]

KYMAR, on 03 June 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Late4ttime, on 03 June 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Really?! Their marketing department is great, but how long will TM's fan base tolerate "renting" a $400 driver.

TM: thanks for buying the R11- but now it's obsolete because after 6 mos- we now have the R11s-  thanks for another $400, sorry for the $100 trade in value on your R11- dude it's been 6mos already- give me that $100 R11s and you'll only owe $300 for the new and improved R11xdswl guaranteed to be the longest straightest driver we've ever made! Well at least for 6 mos, until the new R11rdtfds comes out through a new partnership with 7-11, the shaft comes filled with a slurpee of your choice!

AND that doesn't include the RBZ line or the Dicks exclusive! I would think that their customer base would eventually get tired of it.

Late-

Great rant. Really original thinking! You obviously don't care for their business model or their clubs. Why not just move on? I find it so amusing that success breeds such contempt. I recently just picked up a superfast 2.0 TP and it's the only TM club in my Bag right now so I am no brand loyalist. I just find these criticisms to be so short sighted. Why bother opening the thread if an R11X is something you have no interest in? BTW, per the PGA value guide. The trade in value of Ping G20 is 127.XX and the R11TP, released the same year, is 113.XX

Who peed in your Cheerios? I thought the white heads was a great marketing strategy- everyone knows that's a TM product when they see it.

I posted in this thread because I can, I have an opinion and I wanted to share it- that's what forums are for.

You are right that I could careless about TM equipment- but I'm in the industry so I read about new products.

It's my opinion that if they continue to dilute their offerings to their customer base by releasing a new and improved every 5 minutes, eventually it will end and their fan base won't buy their latest and greatest. But as of right now- the buying public is eager to throw down 400 bones for a new driver every 6 months- so good for TM.

Late

[2659edward]

bigmoneyp, on 02 June 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

J13, on 02 June 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

don't know about any R11x but if they did it would certainly be a great driver like they always are.

Always?

I am not sure the Burner 3.0 is a terrible driver. Are you sure? If what you are looking for is a long, straight, non-adjustable driver this might be a great one. It is just that I like all the adjustments. The ability to easily switch shafts. That is why I didn't put the Burner or the Burner 2.0 in the bag. The RBZ was a different beast. I could switch shafts and really had to decide which one I really had the most confidence in. From my results yesterday, I should have picked the RBZ.

Edited by 2659edward, 03 June 2012 - 01:43 PM.

[TheMoneyShot]

UGotHustled, on 03 June 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Will be worth the wait. I was not supposed to see it, but my prying eyes gravitated to it, I asked many questions about it of which almost none got answered.  It will get leaked out 4-5 months before it's release like any new release.  You will see them hee first most likely at crazy prices.  I hope to be fullfilling those buyers needs that will pay 3 to 4 times it's price to have it "First"

Thanks for the early info.  Sounds like it is going to be an expensive sucker from what you have described.  I'm sure TM will have another hit like always.

[bwiley]

Late4ttime, on 03 June 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Really?! Their marketing department is great, but how long will TM's fan base tolerate "renting" a $400 driver.

TM: thanks for buying the R11- but now it's obsolete because after 6 mos- we now have the R11s-  thanks for another $400, sorry for the $100 trade in value on your R11- dude it's been 6mos already- give me that $100 R11s and you'll only owe $300 for the new and improved R11xdswl guaranteed to be the longest straightest driver we've ever made! Well at least for 6 mos, until the new R11rdtfds comes out through a new partnership with 7-11, the shaft comes filled with a slurpee of your choice!

AND that doesn't include the RBZ line or the Dicks exclusive! I would think that their customer base would eventually get tired of it.

Late-

who said you need to keep buying a new driver? it's not like the technology is obsolete, it's just a variation.

[hayzooos]

simple36, on 03 June 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Yeha Ping has had some terrible clubs as well but TM has had a lot more. You can either hit TM clubs amazing or you can't hit them at all. I happen to be a person who can't hit them at all. They are just not for me. 2 year product cycle does mean they put more time into their drivers and try to put out 3 high quality drivers ever two years instead of Tm putting out 8 drivers every two years. Look and Ping and Titleist and they have always made quality products wheras TM has had some really crappy products. All companies make crappy clubs but TM just seems to make more than other companies.

False. See the example of any 907 series Titleist driver.