45 replies to this topic

[rugger8]

...and so far I hate it.  

First off, I have to give mad props to Callaway for their customer service.  I had an 8.5 FT Tour that cracked along the crown, and although they still had some FT Tours in stock, they were nice enough to replace it with a brand new 8.5 Razr Fit at no cost.  The only x-stiff shaft that wasn't an upgrade charge was the Aldila NV 65 x-stiff, so I tried that.  

So not only did Callaway honor my warranty on a 2 year old driver, but they gave me the newest model.  That's awesome customer service.

Now on to the driver.  I don't know, it just feels...dead.  The FT had a Motore F1 x-stiff 75g shaft in it, and I was able to carry anywhere from 260 - 280 yards.  This club I was carrying 240 MAX.  The ball flight was also about 50-60% of what the FT was.

So I'm HOPING that the only difference is the shaft.  What do you guys think - can these 2 shafts really cause that much difference in distance?   I still have the Motore F1 shaft, but before I shell out $100 to get it put in I'd like some opinions.  FYI, my swing speed is around 115.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Edited by rugger8, 09 May 2012 - 02:44 PM.

[99Luftballoons]

It's by far the hottest head I've hit.  Keep in mind it was with an aftermarket shaft.

[Toph84]

Try the F1 in it, or go log in some range time with the new set up. I wasn't hitting my R11S that well until I logged in a little range time and dropped the right shaft in it. Otherwise, sell it, pocket the change, and get yourself another FT Tour off of callawaypreowned.com. and use the extra change left over to drop an F1 in the FT Tour.

[herkyjerk]

I know what you're saying.  I also went from an FT Tour to the Fit.  There are very few, if any, drivers that have that nutted ballspeed and feel of bomb off the FT Tour.  I felt the same thing, the Fit was just not as insane when crushed.  Call it an "it" factor, but I know exactly what you mean.  I ditched the stock NV and transformed my Fit with a Whiteboard.  It still doesn't have that crazy a** uncorked feeling of the FT, but honestly the Fit is considerably more forgiving, so I am sticking with it.  FT Tour is an just all time awesome stick.  No better drug in the world than a crushed drive off that club.

[JanKo]

It´s the shaft, 100%

Get it reshafted and you will like it even more than the FT Tour.

[Crue4]

It is the shaft... for sure.. the head is better than ft tour... just got to find the right shaft for that head and your swing... which may or may not be the same shaft you had in your ft tour... hang in there.

[Gehly]

shouldn't cost you more then $20 to swap the shaft...assuming you got it back from the cracked head?

[mileslong]

I'm in the same boat FT tour broke they replaced it with a Fit.  The Fit has the same shaft, Ozik Xcon 6 stiff, its just not the same.  I have been told the Fit head is lighter but it sure feels heavier to me.  The two clubs just don't play even close to one another.  Demo day is next week I will see if I can find a different shaft that will work for me with this head.  If not I plan to give the I20, G20 and Cleveland Classic a try.

[Ugo DeRosa]

Agree with everyone above, blame the shaft or the indian.

On a side note, just my opinion, and I am sure many will disagree, but if I were in your shoes I would never have started a post about the Razr Fit, saying you hate it, given the circumstances in which you obtained the club.   It just doesn't seem cool to have Cally go out of its way to make things right for you, then you take a stab at the club they gave you in a very public forum for all to see.  I think it would have been better if you left out the negative remarks and simply asked about the shaft or approached this in a more neutral way.  Your post is good in that you give Cally its props, I just think you could have left out the "hate" and "dead" remarks.  But that is just me.

If you would have paid for it, fine, flame away.

Edited by Ugo DeRosa, 09 May 2012 - 09:39 PM.

[Arizonalefty59]

Callaway has with out a doubt the BEST! customer service.

[tbowles411]

The shaft made all the difference in mine.  I went all out and got an Attas 3.  All I can say is WOW.

[rugger8]

I appreciate all the replies.  And Ugo, I completely respect your opinion, but I will have to disagree in regards to how I've described my initial experience with the club.  More on that in a moment...

So this was bothering me so much that I went back to the range tonight and started fiddling with the club settings.  My natural ball flight is a draw, and the snap hook is my nemesis.  So initially my thought was to set the 12g weight in the toe, and set the club to the "Open" position.  Being my first adjustable driver, I assumed (incorrectly) that this would induce a straight ball flight, if not a hint of fade.  Only after reading up did I realize this will actually reduce the effective loft by 1 degree, down to 7.5.  I feel this was definitely the cause of the low launch angle as well as the noticeable yardage loss.  Once I set it to "Square", I began to see much better results.

Also - I usually play a driver for 2-4 years.  Once I find something I like, it stays in the bag.  When you play a driver that long, your swing becomes very specific to that club and shaft.  So I worked for a while to "retrain" my driver swing with the new club in mind.  I have to say after about an hour of work, the Fit is definitely starting to grow on me.  I was hitting nice 5 yard draws, and was able to work a consistent fade - something I could never do with the FT Tour.  I'm excited to get it on the course tomorrow.

I'm going to give this shaft a few weeks to see how it performs.  If I don't like it, I'll head to my club fitter and see what he recommends.  The opti-fit hosel for the shaft seems to run about $60, and I'm not sure if you can remove/reinstall on another shaft.  So once you add in the hosel, labor and a new grip, I'd be getting pretty close to $100.  

So back to Ugo's comments - I wouldn't be suprised if there are other members that have the same initial feelings of the Razr Fit that I have.  Hopefully what I was able to learn about the club and the results that ensued will help another potentially disgruntled buyer from giving up too easily.

Coincidentally - I found out the Callaway tour fit van will be at a local private course here on Thursday.  Unfortunately they are charging non-members $75 for a fitting (which is refunded if you buy something).  Not sure if it would be worth my time and money to talk with them.  How many custom x-stiff shafts do they usually carry that I could try? Thoughts?

[GatorNate11]

When TM did their demo day here, they only had two X-flex driver shafts. Both were just the stock R11s and RBZ shaft, nothing special. For something like that though, they should have more.

[mosesgolf]

It's the shaft.  Just goes to show how important that shaft really is.  My R11S completely sucks with the RIP 60x but is a bomber with the HD7x.

[Ugo DeRosa]

Rugger-  your last post was helpful.  It sounds like it may work out for you after all.  Good to hear.  This club just takes a bit of tinkering with shafts and settings to get it right.

[Ernie1060]

Anyone gonna comment that his SS is 115 and he only carries the ball 260-280?  

my swing speed is 110 and i carry the ball around 275. In fact, if your swing speed is really 115 (im sorry i dont believe you) then you need a whole new driver because the razr fit is just not working for you AND the FT was not working for you either. with a 115 swing speed, and any type of optimized driver, you should be carrying the ball over 290, over 300 even...

just saying..

[GatorNate11]

That's a pretty bold statement there Ernie1060. A carefully hidden brag post, within a bashing "I think you're full of crap" post takes talent.

[anth]

Ernie1060, on 09 May 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Anyone gonna comment that his SS is 115 and he only carries the ball 260-280?  

my swing speed is 110 and i carry the ball around 275. In fact, if your swing speed is really 115 (im sorry i dont believe you) then you need a whole new driver because the razr fit is just not working for you AND the FT was not working for you either. with a 115 swing speed, and any type of optimized driver, you should be carrying the ball over 290, over 300 even...

just saying..

He could have a negative angle of attack and that would explain the perceived lack of carry right?

[adsc4s]

When I got my Fit with AD DI 6 from Callaway, it was 45.5" and D9.   Didn't like the feel. Cut it to 45" and D3/D4 and loving it.

[rugger8]

Ernie1060, on 09 May 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Anyone gonna comment that his SS is 115 and he only carries the ball 260-280?  

my swing speed is 110 and i carry the ball around 275. In fact, if your swing speed is really 115 (im sorry i dont believe you) then you need a whole new driver because the razr fit is just not working for you AND the FT was not working for you either. with a 115 swing speed, and any type of optimized driver, you should be carrying the ball over 290, over 300 even...

just saying..

So according to your rationale, if your swing speed is X, then your carry should be Y, correct?  There are no other factors involved?  Do I have a high trajectory, all carry, and minimal roll out?  Or, since high winds are common in Kansas, do I want a low to mid trajectory that results in less carry, yet 15-40 yards (depending on conditions) of roll out?

I'm 6'5" which gives me a looong swing arc.  The last time I was on a monitor was 2 years ago when I was fitted for the Motore F1 shaft.  Out of 20 swings, my SS was between 112 and 118, which if you average that out (do you need a calculator?) comes out to around 115.

Can I carry the ball longer on occasion?  Sure.  But unlike many here, I do actually mishit the ball.  I think a carry of 260-280 is accurate and realistic. Padding my SS while soliciting advice certainly won't have any benefit.

I appreciate everyone else's advice.  I may call the course and inquire what shafts the Callaway van has on hand before spending the money on a fitting.

[fenderu2]

I bought  an off the shelf RAZR FIT with RIP'ed NV shaft about a month ago and have to agree it felt dead.   Sound and feel were not good.  I hit some OK drives with it with good distance, but after 3-4 days I knew it wasn't for me.  I like a little click when I hit the ball and have used a G5 for 5+ years.   That shaft in the FIT was a little too whippy for my swing and there was NO WAY it was worth $400 for me.   Took it back under the playability guarantee at Golfsmith and got a Ping I 15 with a UST shaft.  LOVE IT.

[mesquite2]

Seems like there quite a few people on this forum who are quick to call other posters liars.

[MarkFromTheUK]

Ernie1060, on 09 May 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Anyone gonna comment that his SS is 115 and he only carries the ball 260-280?  

my swing speed is 110 and i carry the ball around 275. In fact, if your swing speed is really 115 (im sorry i dont believe you) then you need a whole new driver because the razr fit is just not working for you AND the FT was not working for you either. with a 115 swing speed, and any type of optimized driver, you should be carrying the ball over 290, over 300 even...

just saying..

I never thought I would see someone accuse someone on here of lying when they say they carry the ball 275!!

Obviously, trajectory affects carry. If you have a 130mph swing speed yet it 15 feet off the ground with a driver you're not going to carry anywhere near 250, probably even less than 225. Angle of attack is everything with the driver. Take Keegan Bradley for example... his swing speed is way down compared to some of the perceived bigger hitters, yet still gets it out there because he hits it on the optimum trajectory (plus flushes it 99/100).

If anyone on here is lying about their swing speed/carry I'd say it's more likely to be you. If you see fit to accuse someone else, I would assume that you would be doing so from a more knowledgeable position than the person you are doubting. In this case, you appear to be clueless.

[Toph84]

Lots of nay sayers around all the time on here. Pretty soon charts will be posted, proof of swing speeds on launch monitors will be requested, everyone will start saying they swing 100-some-odd mph and if yours is 2-3 mph faster than theirs they can just not stand the thought of someone else's SS being higher than theirs. Also, I like how the OP did involve course conditions in his comment. Too many people rely on indoor LM's that aren't taking course coniditons into account. I play desert courses, the ball rolls out a long way, period.

To the OP, I like the tour van idea. If you are willing to spend the money the Motore Speeder VC 7.2 Tour Spec X-Stiff is what made my R11S really come alive.

[Puppetmaster]

rugger8, on 10 May 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

So according to your rationale, if your swing speed is X, then your carry should be Y, correct?  There are no other factors involved?  Do I have a high trajectory, all carry, and minimal roll out?  Or, since high winds are common in Kansas, do I want a low to mid trajectory that results in less carry, yet 15-40 yards (depending on conditions) of roll out?

I'm 6'5" which gives me a looong swing arc.  The last time I was on a monitor was 2 years ago when I was fitted for the Motore F1 shaft.  Out of 20 swings, my SS was between 112 and 118, which if you average that out (do you need a calculator?) comes out to around 115.

Can I carry the ball longer on occasion?  Sure.  But unlike many here, I do actually mishit the ball.  I think a carry of 260-280 is accurate and realistic. Padding my SS while soliciting advice certainly won't have any benefit.

I appreciate everyone else's advice.  I may call the course and inquire what shafts the Callaway van has on hand before spending the money on a fitting.

Try the F1 or another 70-80 gram shaft. The Fit head itself is pretty good, I've gone through both the FT Tour and Razr Hawk Tour, and reluctantly concede that the Fit is better, based on the numbers I've gotten. My RHT is still straighter though. Then, it's a matter of finding the right shaft. If you are looking to go a different route than the F1, I'd stick with low to mid launch, stiff tipped shafts, given your playing conditions and SS. Information on angle of attach, launch, and spin would be nice though. Other than that, it's about doing some testing and personal preference for feel. Someone just pointed this out to me today - the less you have to think about the shaft/driver when you step up to hit a shot, the better.

[CallawayLefty]

My assumption if they honored the warranty is that you got the original shaft in your FT Tour from Callaway, correct?  If so, you should have asked for the exact same shaft in your warranty replacement.  I had the same thing happen.  I popped an FT Tour head.  Callaway was nice enough to replace it with the Razr Hawk Tour since the FT Tour was no longer available, but I asked whether they would honor the Voodoo shaft from the FT Tour in the RHT since I liked it.  They agreed and sent me the RHT with the Voodoo at no charge even though it would technically have been a $300 upgrade per their website.  

I'd say call Callaway back and ask for them to send you one with the Motore.  My guess is that they will (again assuming you bought the original one from them...and I can't imagine that you didn't since reshafting would have voided your warranty).  They are 100% the best in the business about this, and I bet you will have a new one in one week or less.  If they don't have the Motore for the Razr Fit, I bet they will give you an equal value upgrade shaft.

[brent]

Sorry guys but a 115 SS WILL NOT CARRY A BALL 300 yds. You may hit it out there to 300 but I promise you wont carry it that far. 270-285 yes  300 no.  For the Razr Fit, def try another shaft as it is one of the better heads out there.

[ttaylor0024]

mosesgolf, on 09 May 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

It's the shaft.  Just goes to show how important that shaft really is.  My R11S completely sucks with the RIP 60x but is a bomber with the HD7x.

The head is also a big game changer too. I used to have an R11 with a RIP 70X, it was awful. Put the shaft back in a R9 Superdeep and my jaw dropped.

OP, you may find that if you put that same shaft back in the Razr Fit that it's not working out. The best thing you can do is go to a demo day, and hit different shaft offerings in the razr fits they have out there.

Edited by ttaylor0024, 10 May 2012 - 11:09 AM.

[Roddy1]

My Razr fit with f1 x-stiff will should be at my front door tomorrow afternoon. I'll let you know how it does with my swing speed of about 5 mph lower than yours.

[rugger8]

CallawayLefty, on 10 May 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

My assumption if they honored the warranty is that you got the original shaft in your FT Tour from Callaway, correct?  If so, you should have asked for the exact same shaft in your warranty replacement.  I had the same thing happen.  I popped an FT Tour head.  Callaway was nice enough to replace it with the Razr Hawk Tour since the FT Tour was no longer available, but I asked whether they would honor the Voodoo shaft from the FT Tour in the RHT since I liked it.  They agreed and sent me the RHT with the Voodoo at no charge even though it would technically have been a $300 upgrade per their website.  

I'd say call Callaway back and ask for them to send you one with the Motore.  My guess is that they will (again assuming you bought the original one from them...and I can't imagine that you didn't since reshafting would have voided your warranty).  They are 100% the best in the business about this, and I bet you will have a new one in one week or less.  If they don't have the Motore for the Razr Fit, I bet they will give you an equal value upgrade shaft.

Correct - it was a built during a demo days/club fitting.  Honestly, I felt that them replacing a 2 year old FT with a brand new Razr Fit was a nice enough gesture that I didn't want to ask for a free shaft upgrade as well.  They did agree to send me the Motore F1 once they received the damaged club back.  I can then put that in the Razr if I like.

brent, on 10 May 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

Sorry guys but a 115 SS WILL NOT CARRY A BALL 300 yds. You may hit it out there to 300 but I promise you wont carry it that far. 270-285 yes  300 no.  For the Razr Fit, def try another shaft as it is one of the better heads out there.

I really should edit my first post to say my swing speed is 175, and carry the ball 347.3 yards straight down the pipe everytime....