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[Jim Clark]

I enjoy watching this tournament even if the course is quirky, there are plenty of good holes. Lots of TV coverage this week.

[Vindog]

I got Bubba on my fantasy team  

Edited by Vindog, 08 May 2012 - 08:34 AM.

[tbowles411]

Vindog, on 08 May 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

I got Bubba on my fantasy team  

Sandbagger!  

[johnnypro]

Can everyone stop hyping it like it's a major. It's not.
Not a course I would enjoy playing.

[hogans71]

johnnypro, on 08 May 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Can everyone stop hyping it like it's a major. It's not.
Not a course I would enjoy playing.

Have you played it?

[Jim Clark]

hogans71, on 08 May 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

johnnypro, on 08 May 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Can everyone stop hyping it like it's a major. It's not.
Not a course I would enjoy playing.

Have you played it?

Good point. It's a Pete Dye course so it's quirky. But there a bunch of real good holes. I enjoyed playing it. The finishing holes are great. LOL, I made a 9 at #17 (3 water balls) and then birdied #18 which is a really tough par 4.

The pros think of it as the 5th major. Granted, a lot of them are not real fond of the course, but they understand the importance of the tournament.

[irlgolf56]

The 5th major thing is thrown around a bit, I heard Westwood the other day saying that about the BMW PGA at Wentworth, a few times I have heard pro's saying their national Open is their "5th major".

This one is more official, but it's probably just personal opinion in the end.

[Vindog]

johnnypro, on 08 May 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Can everyone stop hyping it like it's a major. It's not.
Not a course I would enjoy playing.

It's an important event with lots up for grabs.

Is it a Major?  no  They've tried to make it as such, but it still isn't .  However it is a very important tournament, but still less than the "vanilla" PGA Championship

I'd enjoy the heck out of playing the course, btw.

[Ranger Rick]

Too quircky a course for me. While I enjoy watching it I just feel that in some ways it punishes certain players strengths and doesn't give any chance for recovery. Very narrow off of the tee, very small greens, a lot of horribly placed hazards or mounds that limit the way you can play or attack a hole significantly, some weird bunkering, often the way a fairway curves means there is next to no landing area unless you can play a 40 yard slice or hook extremely precisely. I could think of things to change. However I still enjoy watching it, even if they make a bit much noise about the "5th" major thing.

[PGArox]

Ranger Rick, on 08 May 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Too quircky a course for me. While I enjoy watching it I just feel that in some ways it punishes certain players strengths and doesn't give any chance for recovery. Very narrow off of the tee, very small greens, a lot of horribly placed hazards or mounds that limit the way you can play or attack a hole significantly, some weird bunkering, often the way a fairway curves means there is next to no landing area unless you can play a 40 yard slice or hook extremely precisely. I could think of things to change. However I still enjoy watching it, even if they make a bit much noise about the "5th" major thing.

I like this post.  And I pretty much feel the same way about the course.  It's too restrictive, and much too penal, without the artful charms of a course like, say, Riviera.

I'm not a fan of water balls.  There are just way too many drops and stoppages in play.  A truly great course not only encourages creativity, it also should provide for a seamless continuity of play.

Furthermore, with the advent of the WGC events, and the FedEx Cup play-offs, the PLAYERS Championship seems to have lost a little of its luster.

[HCEG1]

Rory & Lee would be my favourites, but neither of them likes the 'weird' lines that have to be taken off many of the tees(as they both have said)

[raytracer]

Not sure why so many dislike this course. I've played it many times and it is in my top 3 favorites. This course demands precision for each and every hole, each and every shot. There is no let up or 'bail outs'. I suppose that is what people want. People say they want a course that gives them 'options'.
I never understood exactly what that meant. You want to be able to still have a clear shot to the green if you hit wayward drive? You want to be able to miss a green and not have the bunker or rough so deep?

I agree that there are many areas on this course where you are just dead with no chance of recovery. I always kind of liked that threat hanging over the best players in the world for all 18 holes. Very demanding.

[poops]

Tee times are out...

Tiger, Rickie, & Hunter
Phil, Rory, & Stricker

Complete AWESOMENESS!!!

[irlgolf56]

Donald, Westwood & Haas isn't bad either.

[QMany]

Tiger + Rickie + Hunter will be awesome! They go off early in the morning. Any way to watch on TV?

[Barto78]

QMany, on 08 May 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Tiger + Rickie + Hunter will be awesome! They go off early in the morning. Any way to watch on TV?

There is no early morning TV coverage, but there will be live at 13 & 17 (both par 3's) and obviously TV coverage (GC starts @ 1 pm est.)  Tiger, Rickie and Hunter start off on the back 9, so you'll be able to see 2 of their early holes and you might get a chance to see their last hole or 2 once GC coverage starts on Thursday.  You'll see all of their round on Friday.

[Vindog]

Why not Justin Rose?

And to expand on that...is it Justin Rose who is actually England's best shot at a Major?

[deasy55]

Wow, Tiger at 25/1. I thought I wouldn't see those odds for Tiger until he hit his 40s at least.

[johnnypro]

Vindog, on 08 May 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

johnnypro, on 08 May 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Can everyone stop hyping it like it's a major. It's not.
Not a course I would enjoy playing.

It's an important event with lots up for grabs.

Is it a Major?  no  They've tried to make it as such, but it still isn't .  However it is a very important tournament, but still less than the "vanilla" PGA Championship

I'd enjoy the heck out of playing the course, btw.

There's no question it's an important event. That's not debatable. And I suppose I understand Golf Channel devoting as much time to it as they do since they have nothing better to put on, so I get it.
No, I have never played the course but I've seen enough on TV and I've played enough other great courses to believe TPC would not be to my liking.

[kellygreen]

PGArox, on 08 May 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

Ranger Rick, on 08 May 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Too quircky a course for me. While I enjoy watching it I just feel that in some ways it punishes certain players strengths and doesn't give any chance for recovery. Very narrow off of the tee, very small greens, a lot of horribly placed hazards or mounds that limit the way you can play or attack a hole significantly, some weird bunkering, often the way a fairway curves means there is next to no landing area unless you can play a 40 yard slice or hook extremely precisely. I could think of things to change. However I still enjoy watching it, even if they make a bit much noise about the "5th" major thing.

I like this post.  And I pretty much feel the same way about the course.  It's too restrictive, and much too penal, without the artful charms of a course like, say, Riviera.

I'm not a fan of water balls.  There are just way too many drops and stoppages in play.  A truly great course not only encourages creativity, it also should provide for a seamless continuity of play.

Furthermore, with the advent of the WGC events, and the FedEx Cup play-offs, the PLAYERS Championship seems to have lost a little of its luster.

Sawgrass was never intended to be a traditional course.  It was intended to be a position-golf course, that would test the skills of the best players in the world.  It demands that you hit the ball at a particular distance to a particular spot...and since it isn't a course that is overly long, I don't have a problem with it.

What I don't understand is why the 7th is considered such a great hole, when players have been forced to PUTT down that hill on an 107yd hole simply to keep their ball dry when the wind really gets to howling off the ocean....

Yet the 17th at Sawgrass is considered a "gimmicky" hole...when the best players in the world are asked to hit the green with an 8-, 9-iron, or even a wedge in some cases....in their hands.

[kellygreen]

deasy55, on 08 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Wow, Tiger at 25/1. I thought I wouldn't see those odds for Tiger until he hit his 40s at least.

No suprise here.

Sawgrass has never been a course that suited his game.  It's a short, position golf course that doesn't really favor the power player.   He's only done well at the players when he's playing at the very top of his game....which he clearly isn't right now.

So I'd wouldn't be suprised if he misses the cut....and would be stunned if he manages to post a Top-25 given his last two outings.

[tbowles411]

kellygreen, on 08 May 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

deasy55, on 08 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Wow, Tiger at 25/1. I thought I wouldn't see those odds for Tiger until he hit his 40s at least.

No suprise here.

Sawgrass has never been a course that suited his game.  It's a short, position golf course that doesn't really favor the power player.   He's only done well at the players when he's playing at the very top of his game....which he clearly isn't right now.

So I'd wouldn't be suprised if he misses the cut....and would be stunned if he manages to post a Top-25 given his last two outings.

+1

If Tiger golfs ANYTHING like he did last week, he's definately going home early.  You have to hit fairways to have any chance at the greens there.  He's missing left and right.  He's trying to work on that fade and he just can't hit it consistently.  Try STRAIGHT and see where that gets you.  

[Sledge Hammer]

deasy55, on 08 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Wow, Tiger at 25/1. I thought I wouldn't see those odds for Tiger until he hit his 40s at least.

He's almost 'hitting 40's' .... on the front nine.    Da-Boom-Tish!    




     couldn't help myself, you teed it up so nicely.

[deasy55]

kellygreen, on 08 May 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

deasy55, on 08 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Wow, Tiger at 25/1. I thought I wouldn't see those odds for Tiger until he hit his 40s at least.

No suprise here.

Sawgrass has never been a course that suited his game.  It's a short, position golf course that doesn't really favor the power player.   He's only done well at the players when he's playing at the very top of his game....which he clearly isn't right now.

So I'd wouldn't be suprised if he misses the cut....and would be stunned if he manages to post a Top-25 given his last two outings.

Indeed. Rory has never made the cut here and is the 10/1 favourite, which is even more baffling

[tbowles411]

deasy55, on 08 May 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

kellygreen, on 08 May 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

deasy55, on 08 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Wow, Tiger at 25/1. I thought I wouldn't see those odds for Tiger until he hit his 40s at least.

No suprise here.

Sawgrass has never been a course that suited his game.  It's a short, position golf course that doesn't really favor the power player.   He's only done well at the players when he's playing at the very top of his game....which he clearly isn't right now.

So I'd wouldn't be suprised if he misses the cut....and would be stunned if he manages to post a Top-25 given his last two outings.

Indeed. Rory has never made the cut here and is the 10/1 favourite, which is even more baffling

This is where the "name and hype" machine takes over sometimes.  Rory's problem is when he loses focus a bit.  He needs to hit fairways too, because you can't always extracate yourself out of trouble and on the green like on a lot of courses.  And if he gets into contention, that darn 10 footer....if he HAS to have it, he might not get it.  I can't explain it.

[tembolo1284]

Sledge Hammer, on 08 May 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

deasy55, on 08 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Wow, Tiger at 25/1. I thought I wouldn't see those odds for Tiger until he hit his 40s at least.

He's almost 'hitting 40's' .... on the front nine.    Da-Boom-Tish!    




     couldn't help myself, you teed it up so nicely.

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[irlgolf56]

We are too used to Tiger's robotic clutch putting, normal humans don't do that sort of thing, especially average putters like McIlroy.

McIlroy is good despite his putting, not because of it. Tiger was good under pressure, but he was also a fantastic putter. Rory is good under pressure, but he is not a fantastic putter.

[tbowles411]

irlgolf56, on 08 May 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

We are too used to Tiger's robotic clutch putting, normal humans don't do that sort of thing, especially average putters like McIlroy.

McIlroy is good despite his putting, not because of it. Tiger was good under pressure, but he was also a fantastic putter. Rory is good under pressure, but he is not a fantastic putter.

...and here's the answer.  We've been lulled into Rory being called a "complete player," but every player has their Kryptonite, unfortunately.

[deasy55]

Going by the stats this year, Rory gains .428 strokes a round on the green over average. So lets not go crazy here and say he can't putt.

[irlgolf56]

His lag putting is good, but he looks very uncomfortable over the 10-15 footers, contrasted with say Luke Donald who eats them for breakfast. He also had a few missed 3-4 footers this tournament.

But he is the #1 player in the world, so he is a good putter, just not Tiger good. Hopefully he can continue to improve.

Edited by irlgolf56, 08 May 2012 - 02:23 PM.